EFL clubs to discuss energy crisis as Mansfield change kick-off to 1pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football...-energy-crisis

Seems to be a reasonable temporary solution, no? At the very least trial it and see the impact on energy use and attendances.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Seems to be a reasonable temporary solution, no? At the very least trial it and see the impact on energy use and attendances.

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Agree with that. Let's be fair the custodians of the league have no issues moving match times about for TV with no consideration for match going fans.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Agree with that. Let's be fair the custodians of the league have no issues moving match times about for TV with no consideration for match going fans.

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Exactly.

I can see the logic, but it'll screw things up for a mate of mine who works until 1 o'clock on Saturdays.

Absolutely. Or on often dubious police advice etc.

I'd happily see it trialled for this winter.

Surely the way to go in the current energy crisis.

Cannot see it making a difference to the vast majority of supporters aside from cutting down on pre match drinking time.

That said it is a pretty damming statement on both where we are as a country and the precarious nature of football finances.

Makes sense to make maximum use of daylight during winter.

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

I can see the logic, but it'll screw things up for a mate of mine who works until 1 o'clock on Saturdays.

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Collateral damage

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

I can see the logic, but it'll screw things up for a mate of mine who works until 1 o'clock on Saturdays.

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There's a lot of kids that play football on a Saturday am.

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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman

There's a lot of kids that play football on a Saturday am.

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Yes While I’d understand why they’d do
It this would rule out me and my boys on a Saturday. Would never make it

I’m sure I remember early evening kick offs to save on using the floodlights at Ninian Park in the early eighties, it was towards the end of the season and the kick off times got a bit later as the evenings got longer. One o’clock on a Saturday would inconvenience a lot of people, I don’t like it when we have a lunchtime game on Sky, seems to break up the day more than a 3:00 pm game.

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Originally Posted by Toggs

I’m sure I remember early evening kick offs to save on using the floodlights at Ninian Park in the early eighties, it was towards the end of the season and the kick off times got a bit later as the evenings got longer. One o’clock on a Saturday would inconvenience a lot of people, I don’t like it when we have a lunchtime game on Sky, seems to break up the day more than a 3:00 pm game.

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In 77/78 City were banned from using their floodlights because of a very strict interpretation of the Safety of Sports Ground Act by the local council and Ninian Park's capacity was reduced to 10,000 for a while. As the season went on, kick off times gradually changed to 2.30 and then 2 o clock (don't think they ever got earlier than that). I can remember there were some "night" games early in the season which kicked off at 5.30 and 6, but they soon stopped as the nights drew in and you began to see afternoon kick offs in midweek for things like Welsh Cup games.

We averaged 12,790 in 76/77, but that was following a promotion and, after a season of struggle, I think you would have expected a drop in attendances in 77/78, but I'd say that the average for 77/78 of 8,365 as we struggled again was at least partly down to kick off times that were inconvenient for some. That said, in 78/79 when we went finished the season with a long, unbeaten run that took us well clear of trouble, the average gate only rose to 9,246.

So, while it's a long time ago and allowances have to be made for that, it seems to show that clubs would be wise to budget for a loss of income through lower attendances if they opt for earlier kick offs.

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

Yes While I’d understand why they’d do
It this would rule out me and my boys on a Saturday. Would never make it

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Maybe local leagues would have the sense to move games forward too, but considering the muppets that run local leagues i wouldn't hold my breath!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Seems to be a reasonable temporary solution, no? At the very least trial it and see the impact on energy use and attendances.

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Temporary? Yeah, right! :biggrin:

In the 60’s, most league clubs kicked off at 3.15pm, to give the Saturday morning workers more time to get to the game

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Originally Posted by cityhammer

Maybe local leagues would have the sense to move games forward too, but considering the muppets that run local leagues i wouldn't hold my breath!

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Doubt it in the valleys unfortunately
In Cardiff maybe but they never have before for early kick offs etc

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

In 77/78 City were banned from using their floodlights because of a very strict interpretation of the Safety of Sports Ground Act by the local council and Ninian Park's capacity was reduced to 10,000 for a while. As the season went on, kick off times gradually changed to 2.30 and then 2 o clock (don't think they ever got earlier than that). I can remember there were some "night" games early in the season which kicked off at 5.30 and 6, but they soon stopped as the nights drew in and you began to see afternoon kick offs in midweek for things like Welsh Cup games.

We averaged 12,790 in 76/77, but that was following a promotion and, after a season of struggle, I think you would have expected a drop in attendances in 77/78, but I'd say that the average for 77/78 of 8,365 as we struggled again was at least partly down to kick off times that were inconvenient for some. That said, in 78/79 when we went finished the season with a long, unbeaten run that took us well clear of trouble, the average gate only rose to 9,246.

So, while it's a long time ago and allowances have to be made for that, it seems to show that clubs would be wise to budget for a loss of income through lower attendances if they opt for earlier kick offs.

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In fact, Bob, as far as I can remember on the issue the local council were threatening to give Ninian Park a zero capacity for games. City stated they would then play their games at the worse Somerton Park, where no such capacity was in force at that time whilst City, staging international games had to comply with it earlier. Only then did the local council relent and gave us a 10,000 capacity.

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Oh well, a fair bit earlier than I’d remembered and for a different reason! I hope it doesn’t happen with us, I think our crowds could drop significantly with a combination of inconvenience and an underachieving team.

Looks like it's not happening https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63081722

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https://www.theguardian.com/football...-energy-crisis

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The best way that clubs and fans can save money in the long term is to regionalise the EFL from League 1 downwards.

Keep leagues to a maximum of 20 teams ... less games, less cost

Less travel for everyone involved = reduced carbon footprint.

Less money spent on fuel.

Potentially larger crowds given that more games will be between clubs that are 'closer' to each other.

eg Torquay should not contemplate going to Carlisle again until both are in the Championship.

Tier 1: Premier League (20) (National)
Tier 2: Championship (20) (National)
Tier 3: League 1 North (20)
Tier 3: League 1 South (20)
Tier 4: League 2 North (20)
Tier 4: League 2 South (20)

Somewhere the is a list of all clubs currently in tiers 1 to 5 of the football pyramid, sorted according to latitude.

Currently there are 116 teams in the top 5 tiers that are 'national'.

The remainder of the pyramid is regional.

1 Accrington (League 1)
2 Aldershot (National League)
3 Altrincham (National League)
4 Arsenal (Premier League)
5 Aston Villa (Premier League)
6 Barnet (National League)
7 Barnsley (League 1)
8 Barrow (League 2)
9 Birmingham (Championship)
10 Blackburn (Championship)
11 Blackpool (Championship)
12 Bolton (League 1)
13 Boreham Wood (National League)
14 Bournemouth (Premier League)
15 Bradford (League 2)
16 Brentford (Premier League)
17 Brighton (Premier League)
18 Bristol City (Championship)
19 Bristol Rovers (League 1)
20 Bromley (National League)
21 Burnley (Championship)
22 Burton (League 1)
23 Cambridge (League 1)
24 Cardiff (Championship)
25 Carlisle (League 2)
26 Charlton (League 1)
27 Chelsea (Premier League)
28 Cheltenham (League 1)
29 Chesterfield (National League)
30 Colchester (League 2)
31 Coventry (Championship)
32 Crawley (League 2)
33 Crewe (League 2)
34 Crystal Palace (Premier League)
35 Dag & Red (National League)
36 Derby (League 1)
37 Doncaster (League 2)
38 Dorking (National League)
39 Eastleigh (National League)
40 Everton (Premier League)
41 Exeter (League 1)
42 Fleetwood (League 1)
43 Forest Green (League 1)
44 Fulham (Premier League)
45 Gateshead (National League)
46 Gillingham (League 2)
47 Grimsby (League 2)
48 Halifax (National League)
49 Harrogate (League 2)
50 Hartlepool (League 2)
51 Huddersfield (Championship)
52 Hull (Championship)
53 Ipswich (League 1)
54 Leeds (Premier League)
55 Leicester (Premier League)
56 Leyton Orient (League 2)
57 Lincoln City (League 1)
58 Liverpool (Premier League)
59 Luton (Championship)
60 Maidenhead United (National League)
61 Maidstone United (National League)
62 Man City (Premier League)
63 Man Utd (Premier League)
64 Mansfield (League 2)
65 Middlesbrough (Championship)
66 Millwall (Championship)
67 MK Dons (League 1)
68 Morecambe (League 1)
69 Newcastle (Premier League)
70 Newport (League 2)
71 Northampton (League 2)
72 Norwich (Championship)
73 Nottm Forest (Premier League)
74 Notts County (National League)
75 Oldham (National League)
76 Oxford Utd (League 1)
77 Peterborough (League 1)
78 Plymouth (League 1)
79 Port Vale (League 1)
80 Portsmouth (League 1)
81 Preston (Championship)
82 QPR (Championship)
83 Reading (Championship)
84 Rochdale (League 2)
85 Rotherham (Championship)
86 Salford (League 2)
87 Scunthorpe (National League)
88 Sheff Utd (Championship)
89 Sheff Wed (League 1)
90 Shrewsbury (League 1)
91 Solihull Moors (National League)
92 Southampton (Premier League)
93 Southend (National League)
94 Stevenage (League 2)
95 Stockport (League 2)
96 Stoke (Championship)
97 Sunderland (Championship)
98 Sutton United (League 2)
99 Swansea (Championship)
100 Swindon (League 2)
101 Torquay (National League)
102 Tottenham (Premier League)
103 Tranmere (League 2)
104 Walsall (League 2)
105 Watford (Championship)
106 Wealdstone (National League)
107 West Brom (Championship)
108 West Ham (Premier League)
109 Wigan (Championship)
110 Wimbledon (League 2)
111 Woking (National League)
112 Wolves (Premier League)
113 Wrexham (National League)
114 Wycombe (League 1)
115 Yeovil (National League)
116 York (National League)

if mansfield want this why have a friday night game :shrug:

Thank God our game wasn’t earlier, our late equaliser would never had happened :biggrin: