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They keep thousands of old maps of the city and the county in the library archives in Cathays library. That should give the answer.
There didn't appear to be one in 1911. See:-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Railway#/media/File:Cardiffrly.png
how old are you again? :hehe:
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It was the Roath Branch. It came off the TVR at College Road, Whitchurch. There were sidings at Gabalfa where the iinterchange is now and it followed what is now Eastern Avenue as far as Lake Rd West/ East where it carried on behind Ty Draw Rd under Penylan hill ( you can still see the railway bridge on both sides of the road). It then carried on down to the docks. It closed in 1968 and the sidings at Gabalfa were filled in when Eastern Avenue and the interchange was constructed
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They keep thousands of old maps of the city and the county in the library archives in Cathays library. That should give the answer.
There didn't appear to be one in 1911. See:-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Railway#/media/File:Cardiffrly.png
how old are you again? :hehe:
I'm sure there was a railway line there. If you drive down penylan Hill, there's a bridge by Ty Gwyn rd, why would that bridge be there? The bridge is also there if you drive up Penylan Hill as well-Just for clarity.
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It was the Roath Branch. It came off the TVR at College Road, Whitchurch. There were sidings at Gabalfa where the iinterchange is now and it followed what is now Eastern Avenue as far as Lake Rd West/ East where it carried on behind Ty Draw Rd under Penylan hill ( you can still see the railway bridge on both sides of the road). It then carried on down to the docks. It closed in 1968 and the sidings at Gabalfa were filled in when Eastern Avenue and the interchange was constructed
Enoch, that's brilliant, thanks for that. I'm guessing it was Freight?
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Enoch, that's brilliant, thanks for that. I'm guessing it was Freight?
Coal, was the prime reason for its existence. Opened on 1887 in readiness for the opening of Roath Dock.
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Tuerto
I'm sure there was a railway line there. If you drive down penylan Hill, there's a bridge by Ty Gwyn rd, why would that bridge be there? The bridge is also there if you drive up Penylan Hill as well-Just for clarity.
Wasn't there a pedestrian underpass in that location until fairly recently? Flats have been built on either side now.
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Does anyone remember there being a farm near the junction of Lake Road East and Ty Draw Road? I think it existed when my grandparents moved to Cardiff in the early 1960s.
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https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side...ight=ESRIWorld
Great site for comparing old maps with today's landscape
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Cheers Mike, that's a great site.
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Enoch Mort
It was the Roath Branch. It came off the TVR at College Road, Whitchurch. There were sidings at Gabalfa where the iinterchange is now and it followed what is now Eastern Avenue as far as Lake Rd West/ East where it carried on behind Ty Draw Rd under Penylan hill ( you can still see the railway bridge on both sides of the road). It then carried on down to the docks. It closed in 1968 and the sidings at Gabalfa were filled in when Eastern Avenue and the interchange was constructed
Well done Enoch. The line ran along the side of the Harlequins playing fields which was Cardiff High School's home ground and I remember seeing trains going past whilst I was playing rugby. It ran along the bottom of Waterloo Gardens then before new houses were built on the old track bed.
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Well done Enoch. The line ran along the side of the Harlequins playing fields which was Cardiff High School's home ground and I remember seeing trains going past whilst I was playing rugby. It ran along the bottom of Waterloo Gardens then before new houses were built on the old track bed.
Yes, it ran down past the playing field and crossed Newport Road over a bridge and then crossed the South Wales Main Line at the back of Spring Gardens Terrace. It then ran down towards Roath Dock between Moorland Road and Splott Park in parallel with the GWR Roath Dock Branch which left the main line at Pengam Junction opposite the Newport Road Bus and Tram Depot.
If you are familiar with the Rhymney Line, south of Heath High Level where the line goes under Highfields Road you will see a brick wall with a raised track bed in front of a large retaining brick wall. That raised track bed gets higher as the Rhymney Line drops towards Queen St Station. The track bed ends as it reaches Cathays Cemetery. It was a proposed link to the Roath Branch to allow coal to get from the Rhymney Valley direct to Roath Dock. The plan never got off the ground but tracks had been laid on it and it was used as a siding for many years, specifically for carriages. The tracks were lifted when Heath Junction ( to what was the Coryton Line formerly the Cardiff Railway) was moved 300m north ( now the City Line) and the sidings land that was surplus to requirements was sold off for housing.
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Enoch Mort
Yes, it ran down past the playing field and crossed Newport Road over a bridge and then crossed the South Wales Main Line at the back of SPRING GARDENS TERRACE. It then ran down towards Roath Dock between Moorland Road and Splott Park in parallel with the GWR Roath Dock Branch which left the main line at Pengam Junction opposite the Newport Road Bus and Tram Depot.
If you are familiar with the Rhymney Line, south of Heath High Level where the line goes under Highfields Road you will see a brick wall with a raised track bed in front of a large retaining brick wall. That raised track bed gets higher as the Rhymney Line drops towards Queen St Station. The track bed ends as it reaches Cathays Cemetery. It was a proposed link to the Roath Branch to allow coal to get from the Rhymney Valley direct to Roath Dock. The plan never got off the ground but tracks had been laid on it and it was used as a siding for many years, specifically for carriages. The tracks were lifted when Heath Junction ( to what was the Coryton Line formerly the Cardiff Railway) was moved 300m north ( now the City Line) and the sidings land that was surplus to requirements was sold off for housing.
I was born in number 40, we used to walk the line to Splott Park, outside our back garden was the main line to London, it used to frighten the Bejesus out of any friends who were out there with me, when a Steam Locomotive went past.
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I was born in number 40, we used to walk the line to Splott Park, outside our back garden was the main line to London, it used to frighten the Bejesus out of any friends who were out there with me, when a Steam Locomotive went past.
I can identify with that, railway trespass formed a large part of my youth :thumbup:
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BLUETIT
I was born in number 40, we used to walk the line to Splott Park, outside our back garden was the main line to London, it used to frighten the Bejesus out of any friends who were out there with me, when a Steam Locomotive went past.
It wasn't Stevenson's Rocket by any chance :biggrin:
On a similar note, did you know....
In 1804 the first steam locomotive railway using a locomotive called the Penydarren was built by Richard Trevithick.
It was used to haul iron from Merthyr Tydfil to Abercynon.
Something I feel I should have known but didn't.
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Enoch Mort
Yes, it ran down past the PLAYING FIELD and crossed Newport Road over a bridge and then crossed the South Wales Main Line at the back of Spring Gardens Terrace. It then ran down towards Roath Dock between Moorland Road and Splott Park in parallel with the GWR Roath Dock Branch which left the main line at Pengam Junction opposite the Newport Road Bus and Tram Depot.
If you are familiar with the Rhymney Line, south of Heath High Level where the line goes under Highfields Road you will see a brick wall with a raised track bed in front of a large retaining brick wall. That raised track bed gets higher as the Rhymney Line drops towards Queen St Station. The track bed ends as it reaches Cathays Cemetery. It was a proposed link to the Roath Branch to allow coal to get from the Rhymney Valley direct to Roath Dock. The plan never got off the ground but tracks had been laid on it and it was used as a siding for many years, specifically for carriages. The tracks were lifted when Heath Junction ( to what was the Coryton Line formerly the Cardiff Railway) was moved 300m north ( now the City Line) and the sidings land that was surplus to requirements was sold off for housing.
We used to call it the "SANDIES", don't ask me why
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The other side of the railway line from the playing fields, there was some water that kids enjoyed swimming in that was known as the 'WARMIES' - the reason being it was some sort of outlet from the power station!
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Well done Enoch. The line ran along the side of the Harlequins playing fields which was Cardiff High School's home ground and I remember seeing trains going past whilst I was playing rugby. It ran along the bottom of Waterloo Gardens then before new houses were built on the old track bed.
Off topic but interesting regarding the Harlequins ground, the City played a couple of friendlies there pre Ninian Park to gauge the local interest. Middlesbrough was definitely one and I think Bristol City the other. The players changed in the Royal Oak and walked over to the park, I always like to think that the great Steve Bloomer was involved for ‘Boro.
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Off topic but interesting regarding the Harlequins ground, the City played a couple of friendlies there pre Ninian Park to gauge the local interest. Middlesbrough was definitely one and I think Bristol City the other. The players changed in the Royal Oak and walked over to the park, I always like to think that the great Steve Bloomer was involved for ‘Boro.
1909, the City were in the South Wales League at the time and wanted to get into the Southern League but, in the absence of a suitable stadium, could not be admitted. A year later Ninian Park came along and we were in.
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Off topic but interesting regarding the Harlequins ground, the City played a couple of friendlies there pre Ninian Park to gauge the local interest. Middlesbrough was definitely one and I think Bristol City the other. The players changed in the Royal Oak and walked over to the park, I always like to think that the great Steve Bloomer was involved for ‘Boro.
Steve Bloomer definitely played along with Alf Common who was then holder of the British record having been signed for the first ever 4 figure transfer fee.
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MacAdder
It wasn't Stevenson's Rocket by any chance :biggrin:
On a similar note, did you know....
In 1804 the first steam locomotive railway using a locomotive called the Penydarren was built by Richard Trevithick.
It was used to haul iron from Merthyr Tydfil to Abercynon.
Something I feel I should have known but didn't.
Who built the second steam locomotive named Penydarren? :getscoat:
