Just seen this in Sky ……….. :sherlock:
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Just seen this in Sky ……….. :sherlock:
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I worked for a care provider during the pandemic in an office role and I couldn't believe we were letting people infected with Covid into our care homes, I don't think we had a choice in it, it definitely contributed to many many deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
How is the government going to try to spin this one? Can't claim 'captain hindsight' because so many people were questioning it at the time. If they tell the truth and admit that basically, they panicked about bed numbers and sacrificed old people then they will be absolutely torn to shreds. Rightly so too, we locked down too late and that caused this panic from the gov, which resulted in this barbaric policy which made sure care homes ended up absolutely full of Covid and ultimately killed a load of people.
Now, an honest government would come clean and I would have some respect for that. It is hard to buy the 'difficult decisions' shtick and give them a free pass when they expend more energy spinning, lying and covering their own backs than doing their job.
Hilariously, and tragically, this is the Government that is now claiming it “got the big calls on Covid right”.
Why didn’t they use the Nightingale Hospital pathway instead of care homes …. We know why , the nightingale hospital scenario was pure propaganda. What was the average age Covid death again …82 wasn’t it …?…hmmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I know you don't like being targeted with your own argument, but the first nightingale hospital received it's first lot of patients on 7th April 2020 in London. Other nightingale hospitals were completed later, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The care home issue is regarding decisions made by Matt Hancock in March and April 2020 which potentially led to the deaths of thousands.
It's alright though, they were old.
It appears you are totally clueless, which I'm unsurprised by, what part Midazolam and the Liverpool Care Pathway protocol played in the thousands of so-called Covid-19 deaths in care homes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
Enlighten me then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
You won't believe me, so I'll let Owen fill you in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2p2se3j4uc&t=559s
Unreported by corporate media, many people are trying their best to bring the government to book through the courts.
You're right, I wouldn't have believed you. I don't believe 'Owen' either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Unreported by corporate media. Must be true then, isn't that right Captain Provenwrongaboutliterallyeverythingheposts?
Keep on believing Nanny cares about you and yours. If you start to doubt then watch more telly or indulge in other forms of being frivolously entertained because that's what Nanny counts on.
Only the two options is it? Believing nanny cares about me or everything is a conspiracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
I think nanny is an old selfish, lying drunk who only cares about herself and more likely to be dangerously inept than manage to successfully complete any of the conspiracies you and the other COVID sceptics/deniers on here believe they're capable of.
I guess you mean all governments as those decisions were at the table of first minsters, we could have used the facilities such as Nightingale hospitals early set up and use .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Believe it or not, likely not, Nanny is brilliant at micro-managing the British state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
From elbowing religion in the late 60s to be replaced with the permissive society and with it take a wrecking ball to what was the traditional family unit mostly by incentivising and monetising single parent familes, overwhelmingly young women, via the benefits system right through to the present day with its giant surveillance apparatus.
Nanny could demolish the ubiquitous drug culture starting tomorrow if it cared to simply by adopting Singapore's or Saudi Arabia's laws. But these drugs are great for slowly but surely ruining communites and society as a whole.
I won't touch on mass immigration as you'll likely blow a fuse.
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Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
If you don’t think Nightingale's were a propaganda stunt then why were they not used as they were meant to be used ?
Also ,I thought they were pleading for retired doctors to assist as a matter of urgency, yet it transpired that hospitals were way below capacity and to top it off you had little to no chance of seeing your doctor face to face regardless of urgency.
https://twitter.com/charlotteemmauk/...ld84t0ZehKeJNgQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Nightingale hospitals did not exist at this point. How are you and TWGL1 not getting this?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
"If you don’t think Nightingale's were a propaganda stunt then why were they not used as they were meant to be used ?"Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
What do you mean? How were they used?
I think the government dealt with COVID appallingly and will hopefully face the music once a proper inquiry takes place but I can't knock them for trying to put more hospitals in place due to the rising deaths and hospitalisations at the time (which it could be argued that their negligence caused).
Propaganda it wasn't. my mate's step father was in Dragon's Heart (the Nightingale hospital in Cardiff) for 6 days during lockdown with COVID and pneumonia. He's an alcoholic and a lifetime smoker so he was lucky to return home.
I know from my ex that the Nightingale hospital they built on the Heath Hospital grounds (Lakeside) was at full capacity over the Christmas period: only 5 months ago.
Your move.
You given up all pretEnce of political neutrality lately havent you. It doesn’t matter, because no one believed it of you anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Your latest episode of whataboutery doesn’t work I’m afraid. The first Nightingale Hospital opened on 3 April 2020 some two or three weeks after people with Covid were first transferred from hospitals into care homes.
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Originally Posted by TWGL1
If this lot don't get the mother of all kickings at the locals next week, I ****ing give up.
Colin knows his onions. - https://twitter.com/Colin_Musk/statu...02400020000769Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Do you ever waiver from the official narrative?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
There are so many questions that remain unanswered and people are entitled to question it.
To some the this kind of news has been obvious after about two weeks in.
And vote for who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swiss Peter
Here in Wales (which no one ever seems to care about weirdly, given most of us live here) it seems that we were TWO weeks behind England on this.
I wouldnt be surprised if the Welsh Government are dragged into this now
https://www.business-live.co.uk/econ...-care-23804659
Who do you suggest?. Keep the status quo?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I'm confused. Next week it's local elections for Cardiff (and others) Council. The story here refers to the UK government, and in effect the English NHS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swiss Peter
The Welsh NHS is run by Labour, and it seems we were doing the same policy that is being understandably criticised here for another two weeks after England ceased doing it.
So I'm not sure who you suggest we should vote for?
Rest assured, the Tories will take a hammering and understandably so, but it appears we had an even worse policy on all this in Wales.
It is beyond me why so many on here care more about the English NHS than the Welsh.
I suggest people vote for who they like and maybe base it on local issues as it's a local election. If we must base it on national healthcare issues, the performance of the Welsh Govt would be a greater issue for me given it impacts on my life more
The Welsh Government were always going to follow Englands policy though. The reason is obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Where the English NHS make mistakes there is absolutely no justification for making the same mistakes and continuing them for a further two weeks!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
And on the pandemic, there are numerous examples where Drakeford's government hasn't followed the English health secretary's approach.
This isn't to take away from the mistakes made, it's to try and prevent people turning it into a political football, because it seems that our government here did the exact same thing, but carried it on even longer.
Why did nobody in government speak up about this at the time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I don't know, but unless someone can demonstrate otherwise, it seems they realised the error and rectified it sooner than we did here in Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
It's all absolutely tragic for the people involved. Suspect the Welsh Government will be next on this
Anybody who questioned the narrative (at the time) was either cancelled or called a conspiracy theorist.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yeah if you like. I live in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
What are you talking about now? What official narrative are you speaking of?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I'm telling you a fact (not an opinion - your favourite word) that the hospitals weren't built at the time of the care home crisis (perhaps a reason that they were built but it was too late by that point, the damage was done).
As usual, you keep saying it's just your opinion but you ignore the facts that cannot be opined. The first Nightingale hospital was completed on 3rd April 2020 in London and the first patients were there 4 days later. Do you 'question' that?
I've made another post since the one you've quoted here in response to another of your posts. Why are you quoting this one? Is it so you could ignore the question I asked about your statement about the hospitals not being used for their intended purpose?
Are you this annoying in real life? Do people look at you with a look of confusion and/or pity when you talk to them? So many unanswered questions that we're entitled to ask.
Is personal insults the best you can come up with :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
Some Information regarding nightingales here ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
https://twitter.com/toryfibs/status/...eOujwE2VAwLBXQ
Ignore that and focus on the stuff you struggle to comprehend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Thanks for that. Let's say that's true: what's that got to do with the care home crisis?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
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Originally Posted by Tito Fuente
I don’t struggle at all, that being said anything that doesn’t fit your narrative results in this kind of response. As long as what insults you post online ( it’s called trolling ) you are comfortable with to say to the person your trolling in real life then I’ve no problem whatsoever with that.
It was a horrendous decision. They got so obsessed with NHS capacity that they were happy to essentially murder loads of old folk. Would love to see the individuals responsible named, shamed and prosecuted. It will never happen, but it bloody well should.
Do you realise that you're never able to answer a simple question or back up any of your opinions with a source? This is why it ends up resorting in insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
What's more insulting is how much of my time you've wasted since posting your nonsense on this board.
If either of us is trolling on here then surely it is you? Constantly posting stupid conspiracy theories about things that could provoke an emotional reaction from people who were personally affected.
Grow up and come back when you can handle hearing how ridiculously dense you are to debate.
Or, alternatively, come back when you can back up your "opinions" or answer simple questions.
Thanks and goodnight.
Only one of Wales' 17 covid field hospitals were used.
46 patients treated at the Dragon's Heart Hospital.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52024970
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54147926
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/h...field-18445201