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Second protest march in Cardiff
second march today following the death of Muhammad hassan from Butetown in police custody
EDIT - He did NOT die in custody. As per updates below
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
second march today following the death of Muhammad hassan from Butetown in police custody
I've not followed this one, sludge, did he actually die in custody or after release?
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Re: Death In Custody Cardiff March
I believe he died aftr release.
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Not a very pleasant thing, but lets be clear, he did not die in custody, he died in the night after his release at 8.30 in the morning.
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My mistake , he was arrested and died after release , the protestors are saying he was injured in custody
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Re: Death In Custody Cardiff March
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
second march today following the death of Muhammad hassan from Butetown in police custody
Just read the report, he died at home, apparently with injuries to his body which the family say, weren't present at the time of arrest.
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Tuerto
Just read the report, he died at home, apparently with injuries to his body which the family say, weren't present at the time of arrest.
But they weren't there at the time of his arrrsst were they? He was arrested after a brawl in Friday night.
if he had been out of poloice custody all day, even if he was injured in the brawl or subsequently they had more than enough time to get him medical assistance if he needed it.
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Re: Death In Custody Cardiff March
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xsnaggle
But they weren't there at the time of his arrrsst were they? He was arrested after a brawl in Friday night.
if he had been out of poloice custody all day, even if he was injured in the brawl or subsequently they had more than enough time to get him medical assistance if he needed it.
well a pathologists report should show what injury happened at what time and which one led to the blokes death , he could have been injured during the brawl which led to brain bleeding , injured during the arrest , injured being taken into custody etc and the injury that caused his death should show to a medical expert
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Re: Death In Custody Cardiff March
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SLUDGE FACTORY
well a pathologists report should show what injury happened at what time and which one led to the blokes death , he could have been injured during the brawl which led to brain bleeding , injured during the arrest , injured being taken into custody etc and the injury that caused his death should show to a medical expert
The Independent Office for Police Conduct said initial tests showed Mr Hassan did not die from physical injuries.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55647699
It's a bit early to be protesting and speculating. Let's wait for the inquest and the result of the enquiry by the IOPC
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RichardM
The Independent Office for Police Conduct said initial tests showed Mr Hassan did not die from physical injuries.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55647699
It's a bit early to be protesting and speculating. Let's wait for the inquest and the result of the enquiry by the IOPC
Well the sort of injury this man had and when he got it and what led to his death is exactly what the inquest into his death will hope to uncover . In terms of the protests they seemed peaceful .
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well the sort of injury this man had and when he got it and what led to his death is exactly what the inquest into his death will hope to uncover . In terms of the protests they seemed peaceful .
Yes, they weren't violent, but my point was they are protesting and making assumptions about the cause of death when there might be nothing to protest about.
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RichardM
Yes, they weren't violent, but my point was they are protesting and making assumptions about the cause of death when there might be nothing to protest about.
I understand that but these sort of things inevitably lead to rumours and sometimes those rumours end up leading to facts . I sincerely hope that its decided one way or another as open verdicts just lead to mistrust .
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Apparently he told his family he was tasered twice and kicked in the head
I’ve been assaulted by South Wales police, it doesn’t surprise me
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I understand that but these sort of things inevitably lead to rumours and sometimes those rumours end up leading to facts . I sincerely hope that its decided one way or another as open verdicts just lead to mistrust .
Dont know why the protesters were holding placards about racism and Black lives matter, when, like others have said no conclusions should be drawn until the investigation is concluded.
Time will tell what happened whilst he was in custody and what happened after his release.
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Can the moderators change the thread title and OP please it is clearly not true.
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BlueArmy 86
Apparently he told his family he was tasered twice and kicked in the head
I’ve been assaulted by South Wales police, it doesn’t surprise me
What's your source? When the family's spokesperson was interviewed on TV she didn't mention that.
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The Bloop
Dont know why the protesters were holding placards about racism and Black lives matter, when, like others have said no conclusions should be drawn until the investigation is concluded.
Time will tell what happened whilst he was in custody and what happened after his release.
Exactly. Sludge is a moron for his daft thread title too, no idea where he got the idea of it being a custody death from.
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Llandaff Blue
Exactly. Sludge is a moron for his daft thread title too, no idea where he got the idea of it being a custody death from.
Not like Sludge to exaggerate to make his point
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The Bloop
Dont know why the protesters were holding placards about racism and Black lives matter, when, like others have said no conclusions should be drawn until the investigation is concluded.
Time will tell what happened whilst he was in custody and what happened after his release.
well most of them were black and maybe they felt it was due to racism
Time will tell
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Llandaff Blue
Exactly. Sludge is a moron for his daft thread title too, no idea where he got the idea of it being a custody death from.
it was on the news reel , it was posted in error as I said
I am sure the truth will come out and hopefully nothing sinister will have happened
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J R Hartley
Not like Sludge to exaggerate to make his point
Chinese
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SLUDGE FACTORY
it was on the news reel , it was posted in error as I said
I am sure the truth will come out and hopefully nothing sinister will have happened
Hope so too. We'll just have to wait and see
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RichardM
What's your source? When the family's spokesperson was interviewed on TV she didn't mention that.
It was on a news report I watched but I can’t find it. Also says in this article:
https://www.voice.wales/release-moha...outrage-grows/
Mohamed’s sister yesterday told voice.wales to visit the Go Fund Me page - set up to pay for family legal fees - for more information on what happened to her brother. There, it describes him being tasered and kicked in the head.
For the record, I don’t agree with the protests until the investigation is complete. But i think people have lost trust in the authorities and want to see the evidence to make their own mind up.
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BlueArmy 86
It was on a news report I watched but I can’t find it. Also says in this article:
https://www.voice.wales/release-moha...outrage-grows/
Mohamed’s sister yesterday told voice.wales to visit the Go Fund Me page - set up to pay for family legal fees - for more information on what happened to her brother. There, it describes him being tasered and kicked in the head.
For the record, I don’t agree with the protests until the investigation is complete. But i think people have lost trust in the authorities and want to see the evidence to make their own mind up.
Fair enough
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Re: Death In Custody Cardiff March
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xsnaggle
But they weren't there at the time of his arrrsst were they? He was arrested after a brawl in Friday night.
if he had been out of poloice custody all day, even if he was injured in the brawl or subsequently they had more than enough time to get him medical assistance if he needed it.
I've read several articles which include the police reports and none of them use the word "brawl". I've seen "disturbance" and "breach of the peace" but nothing about a supposed brawl.
Care to share where you got your news from?
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Heisenberg
I've read several articles which include the police reports and none of them use the word "brawl". I've seen "disturbance" and "breach of the peace" but nothing about a supposed brawl.
Care to share where you got your news from?
Care to explain why you stalk me? As soon as I saw your name as last poster I knew you'd be on one of mt posts. It really is sad.
Maybe it is the way my brain works that I associate certain words together I've been involved in a few.
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xsnaggle
Care to explain why you stalk me? As soon as I saw your name as last poster I knew you'd be on one of mt posts. It really is sad.
Maybe it is the way my brain works that I associate certain words together I've been involved in a few.
Why do posters on here say "stalking" when they mean "replying to my posts"? You don't like it when I've occasionally asked you to clarify one of your posts and then get upset. It's a forum for discussion. If you don't want people questioning your posts - then you're in the wrong place. "Stalking"... get over yourself :hehe:
Anyway, you said that the person who has died of alleged serious injuries had been involved in a brawl before he was arrested, but, as it turns out, you have made that up in your little head. That's why I'm replying to your post.
Glad we cleared it up anyway - there wasn't a "brawl" :thumbup:
Carry on regardless.
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RichardM
Fair enough
Hopefully what happened to this bloke will become apparent . The police were often criticised for investigating themselves and the new investigating authority has far more teeth . If this man put up a struggle and was injured during this struggle then one would hope that the injury was down to a strugglecand not over zealous policing . Clearly the family are right to want answers and it would be best all round if this matter is investigated and no stones are left unturned .
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Heisenberg
Why do posters on here say "stalking" when they mean "replying to my posts"? You don't like it when I've occasionally asked you to clarify one of your posts and then get upset. It's a forum for discussion. If you don't want people questioning your posts - then you're in the wrong place. "Stalking"... get over yourself :hehe:
Anyway, you said that the person who has died of alleged serious injuries had been involved in a brawl before he was arrested, but, as it turns out, you have made that up in your little head. That's why I'm replying to your post.
Glad we cleared it up anyway - there wasn't a "brawl" :thumbup:
Carry on regardless.
I don't mind questioning it is the constant things from the same poster.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Hopefully what happened to this bloke will become apparent . The police were often criticised for investigating themselves and the new investigating authority has far more teeth . If this man put up a struggle and was injured during this struggle then one would hope that the injury was down to a strugglecand not over zealous policing . Clearly the family are right to want answers and it would be best all round if this matter is investigated and no stones are left unturned .
The thing that puzzles me is if he was so bad when he was released why didn't they call a doctor or take him to hospital? If his death wasn't the result of any injuries, which I have not yet seen stated, should'nt we wait for the autopy before demonstrating/
My concern with these things is that if an enquiry finds fault with the police it will cause more demonstrations and if they are exonerated it will be labelled a cover up. They are in a no win situation. I cannot believe that he was seriously inured in the police staion and two shift of police officers covered up what happened and then released him in that condition not considering someone would know he wasn't in that condition when he went in. . Thats a lot of policemen. And being a friday night, even with covid, I'd imagine ther would be more than 1 person in the cell. If he was injured during the arrst and was in such a bad state then when he got to the cells the sergeant would normally call for a medical examination to certify him fit to be detained.
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xsnaggle
The thing that puzzles me is if he was so bad when he was released why didn't they call a doctor or take him to hospital? If his death wasn't the result of any injuries, which I have not yet seen stated, should'nt we wait for the autopy before demonstrating/
My concern with these things is that if an enquiry finds fault with the police it will cause more demonstrations and if they are exonerated it will be labelled a cover up. They are in a no win situation. I cannot believe that he was seriously inured in the police staion and two shift of police officers covered up what happened and then released him in that condition not considering someone would know he wasn't in that condition when he went in. . Thats a lot of policemen. And being a friday night, even with covid, I'd imagine ther would be more than 1 person in the cell. If he was injured during the arrst and was in such a bad state then when he got to the cells the sergeant would normally call for a medical examination to certify him fit to be detained.
I agree with much of what you are saying and I hope that the bloke has died from natural causes
But it seems a bit odd 🤔
If the police have done nothing wrong then that will be it but there have been tensions between the police and the black community for many years since the murder of lynette White and the framing of those men
If I was from Butetown and this happened to someone I knew would I be looking for answers ? I think I probably would
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xsnaggle
I don't mind questioning it is the constant things from the same poster.
1. It's not constant :hehe: We both post on here a lot so we've had more run-ins than we would if either of us posted less.
2. We seem to have incredibly different viewpoints on things and I find that you post inaccuracies quite often,so it's more likely that I'm going to challenge you more than some others.
3. See 1 & 2
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55659518
Protesters are being urged not to gather as demonstrations continue following the death of a man hours after being released by police.
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xsnaggle
I don't mind questioning it is the constant things from the same poster.
its obsession , and its tough one to beat it continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind until they have the last word providing a satisfaction or some for of victory ,it can be treated .
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It’s a demonstration for demonstrations sake.
Police horses getting stoned now. Truly pathetic. Sludge has done more back tracking on this thread, than Roger Johnson against Man City.
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William Treseder
It’s a demonstration for demonstrations sake.
Police horses getting stoned now. Truly pathetic. Sludge has done more back tracking on this thread, than Roger Johnson against Man City.
:hehe:
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Llandaff Blue
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xsnaggle
:hehe::hehe:
You find the whole black people vs police thing funny?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I agree with much of what you are saying and I hope that the bloke has died from natural causes
But it seems a bit odd
If the police have done nothing wrong then that will be it but there have been tensions between the police and the black community for many years since the murder of lynette White and the framing of those men
If I was from Butetown and this happened to someone I knew would I be looking for answers ? I think I probably would
My thought is that the guy was (apparently) released on the morning without charge. That usually means the person was under the influence of drik/drugs and he was banged up to sleep it off, hanging been enough of a nuicance to be arrested in the first place.
Under those circumstances if he had been abused inthe cells the police would have found reason to charge him and further detain him to explain any injuries. But if they just let him go they must have been unconcerned about his condition and/or what he might say or do. The comments elsewhere that he was allegedly tasered twice would suggest he was at least less than peaceable at the time of his arrest. Bad as they might be the police don't as a rule go around the countryside tasering innocent people for the fun of it.
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William Treseder
It’s a demonstration for demonstrations sake.
Police horses getting stoned now. Truly pathetic. Sludge has done more back tracking on this thread, than Roger Johnson against Man City.
I thought it was illegal for police horses to take drugs.....