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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
nugent
How many safe countries do they pass through?
Who ****ing cares. If I was in the Same position then I'd want to go where my friends were living or where there was a sizeable community and where I could get work. What's wrong with that-wouldn't you do the same? Just because people are poor it doesn't mean that they shouldn't express choice in order to improve their lives. You being a self employed man go where the work is, where the money is. Does that only apply to you?
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Order-order, that politically neutral website...... If that's one of your sources of "information" then it explains a lot!
James Wales outed,at last, as a Paul Staines fanboy.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
nugent
France have lost the plot, stop their money, why are the migrants not staying in the safe countries in the EU?
This is taking the mick now and has to stop.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59257107
#prayingforstormyseasthiswinter
Out of interest, on a hypothetical basis, if we had migrants coming across the water from Ireland and America, would you object to those as well?
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Former Labour leader
James Wales outed,at last, as a Paul Staines fanboy.
It's important to read news from a variety of sources. Otherwise you are no better than a bible studies kid who retains Peter Pan thinking his entire life.
Tell me what's on your approved media list comrade, and I'll try and find something making a similar point, so you can't ignore every point made and hide some weak nitpicking about the source.
I'm guessing: Guardian, Mirror, Independent, Novara Media, Squarkbox, Another Angry Voice..that kind of thing, yeah? I guess you read the Daily Mail, but only the headlines when re-tweeted on twitter by someone outraged.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
I’m confused. When there was a Referendum to be won, it was all about “securing our borders”. Pre Brexit, immigration from the European mainland was all down to open borders and refugees “flooding” into the UK. Now, we have “secured our borders” by leaving the EU and are getting record daily numbers crossing the channel, it’s still the fault of the French/EU!
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's important to read news from a variety of sources. Otherwise you are no better than a bible studies kid who retains Peter Pan thinking his entire life.
Tell me what's on your approved media list comrade, and I'll try and find something making a similar point, so you can't ignore every point made and hide some weak nitpicking about the source.
I'm guessing: Guardian, Mirror, Independent, Novara Media, Squarkbox, Another Angry Voice..that kind of thing, yeah? I guess you read the Daily Mail, but only the headlines when re-tweeted on twitter by someone outraged.
It's also important to notice when political websites make stuff up, especially at the extreme left and right end. You should also realise that the right wing press are far more guilty of making up stories than the left wing press. Each year the Mail and Express deliberately lie and print more false stories to suit their agendas than anyone else.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
It's also important to notice when political websites make stuff up, especially at the extreme left and right end. You should also realise that the right wing press are far more guilty of making up stories than the left wing press. Each year the Mail and Express deliberately lie and print more false stories to suit their agendas than anyone else.
I agree, but what is made up in that opinion piece, that draws on the hypocrisy between the situation in Belarus (which is actually a dictatorship) and that in France (which isnt)?
What is false about it? There's starving people on the Belarus / Polish border as we speak.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's important to read news from a variety of sources. Otherwise you are no better than a bible studies kid who retains Peter Pan thinking his entire life.
Tell me what's on your approved media list comrade, and I'll try and find something making a similar point, so you can't ignore every point made and hide some weak nitpicking about the source.
I'm guessing: Guardian, Mirror, Independent, Novara Media, Squarkbox, Another Angry Voice..that kind of thing, yeah? I guess you read the Daily Mail, but only the headlines when re-tweeted on twitter by someone outraged.
That gido fawkes is a big fat Thatcher boy
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
That gido fawkes is a big fat Thatcher boy
Two minutes ago you were bemoaning us not being in the Single Market anymore, Thatcher boy!
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
It's human nature
Britain has communities living here from all over the world
South East Wales in particular
There is a large somali population in Cardiff so when there was a civil war in the 1990s refugees were directed towards Cardiff and its probably true many were headed here or London or Liverpool anyway .
When brits go abroad many head to the English or Irish bars and cafes in Benidorm
Australians in the UK tend to head towards King's Cross
It's never going to stop , as sure as night follows day the population of this country will increase and the demographic will change .
Any government pandering to those opposed to immigration need to be truthful but you won't get that with the Conservatives
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
The angry Daily Mail readers wanted Brexit.
Brexit Britain.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Who ****ing cares. If I was in the Same position then I'd want to go where my friends were living or where there was a sizeable community and where I could get work. What's wrong with that-wouldn't you do the same? Just because people are poor it doesn't mean that they shouldn't express choice in order to improve their lives. You being a self employed man go where the work is, where the money is. Does that only apply to you?
It's nimbyism
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It's human nature
Britain has communities living here from all over the world
South East Wales in particular
There is a large somali population in Cardiff so when there was a civil war in the 1990s refugees were directed towards Cardiff and its probably true many were headed here or London or Liverpool anyway .
When brits go abroad many head to the English or Irish bars and cafes in Benidorm
Australians in the UK tend to head towards King's Cross
It's never going to stop , as sure as night follows day the population of this country will increase and the demographic will change .
Any government pandering to those opposed to immigration need to be truthful but you won't get that with the Conservatives
No one will disagree with much of that, but you are confusing legal immigration with migrants paying criminal gangs to cross the English channel.
It's not the same thing and saying it doesn't solve the problem.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
The angry Daily Mail readers wanted Brexit.
Brexit Britain.
Apart from on Sundays. Or maybe you shouldn't make such sweeping statements?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...R-Britain.html
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
No ill still stick with angry Daily Mail readers. That probably made them even more angry.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
No ill still stick with angry Daily Mail readers. That probably made them even more angry.
Okay, I've just given you an editorial from the Mail on Sunday on dailymail.com urging it's readers to Vote Remain, but go ahead. Things are probably simpler for you when you don't challenge your own prejudices.
If your concerns are for readers being swayed by newspapers, then your concerns lie elsewhere
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/study...eu-referendum/
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Okay, I've just given you an editorial from the Mail on Sunday on dailymail.com urging it's readers to Vote Remain, but go ahead. Things are probably simpler for you when you don't challenge your own prejudices.
Calm down. You won.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
Whenever this is in the news all I think is what more important news are they trying to surpress this time. You think people would catch on but nothing gets the great british public more distracted and foaming at the mouth than a dingy full of immigrants.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Two minutes ago you were bemoaning us not being in the Single Market anymore, Thatcher boy!
Brexit ?
I didn't vote for that nonsense you soppy clown
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
No ill still stick with angry Daily Mail readers. That probably made them even more angry.
Aye , miserable little englanders
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Whenever this is in the news all I think is what more important news are they trying to surpress this time. You think people would cathc on but nothing gets the great british public more distracted and foaming at the mouth than a dingy full of immigrants.
Angry Britain.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Angry Britain.
Unless it's about corrupt politicians which for some reason no one reallt gives a **** about.
They'll post capital letter rants on facebook and messageboards about someone trying to do something about climate change or a brown guy in a boat though.
I suppose it shouldn't be a shock when about 50% of the country are enthrall to murdoch and other scumbags like Guido Fawlkes. Not an independent thought to be had.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Okay, I've just given you an editorial from the Mail on Sunday on dailymail.com urging it's readers to Vote Remain, but go ahead. Things are probably simpler for you when you don't challenge your own prejudices.
If your concerns are for readers being swayed by newspapers, then your concerns lie elsewhere
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/study...eu-referendum/
You are saying that quentin letts and all those other utter tossers that write for the daily nazi are pro Europe, because of a few editorials?
Don't be so stupid . I know but am not friends with people who read that right wing colonial mag and they are all little englanders , it spews out hatred towards immigrants , the left wing of British politics , single mum's etc on a daily basic
It's The Sun for people who have basic reading skills and are right wing
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Unless it's about corrupt politicians which for some reason no one reallt gives a **** about.
They'll post capital letter rants on facebook and messageboards about someone trying to do something about climate change or a brown guy in a boat though.
I suppose it shouldn't be a shock when about 50% of the country are enthrall to murdoch and other scumbags like Guido Fawlkes. Not an independent thought to be had.
Imagine criticising others for being angry and then glibly accusing 50% of the population ("the others!") of being essentially incapable of free thought and of being racist, and the greatest crime of all - not being worried about the things you want them to be worried about!
The irony being, there is never any evidence to back this irrational line of thinking. If you are concerned about people believing everything they read in the papers, it is not amongst Mail or Express readers, it is, on Brexit at least, according to this survey amongst Guardian, Independent and FT readers. https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/study...eu-referendum/ Bloody facts eh. Much more fun to just say Mail readers believe everything they read mind.
Yet again however, we have avoided any attempt at a discussion about actually finding a solution. Brilliant.
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Re: Record number of migrants crossing
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You are saying that quentin letts and all those other utter tossers that write for the daily nazi are pro Europe, because of a few editorials?
Don't be so stupid . I know but am not friends with people who read that right wing colonial mag and they are all little englanders , it spews out hatred towards immigrants , the left wing of British politics , single mum's etc on a daily basic
It's The Sun for people who have basic reading skills and are right wing
Daily Nazi. That's quite a good one. I prefer Daily Heil, at least it rhymes.
You seem an open minded, rational thinking and friendly guy, so I'm going to read whatever you read to help me reach that same level of thinking :thumbup: