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Welsh Elections 2021 poll
With the recent polls predicting the narrowest 3 way race in May, who would you be voting for if it was election day today?
1 day poll!
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I'm amazed by the results so far of that poll given the abuse anyone who has voted Tory has got on here.
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Cant see the poll on the mobile site. I very much doubt ill vote. If it looks narrow between any of the main parties and Tory id make the effort to vote for the party most likely to stop the Tory.
However I would not vote reform or UKIP under any circumstances.
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Labour , to keep out the tories
But its hardly inspiring
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Labour , to keep out the tories
But its hardly inspiring
Exactly why Wales will be in the same place in twenty years as it is now.
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Can you imagine Andrew RT Davies in charge? Why doesn't he call himself Andrew Davies?
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I don't live in Wales so have no vote but who on earth are propel ?
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I'd like to vote Labour but I can't after some of the rubbish Drakeford has done and also endorsing anti-Brexit Starmer somewhat and I can't vote for Plaid as they're nationalistic idiots
So it's a choice between Tories or not voting.
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WJ99mobile
I'd like to vote Labour but I can't after some of the rubbish Drakeford has done and also endorsing anti-Brexit Starmer somewhat and I can't vote for Plaid as they're nationalistic idiots
So it's a choice between Tories or not voting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48980318
They've also spent over £2m on kitting out a room with union flags, continually bang on about the "greatness" of Britain and Britishness and are about to spunk even more millions on painting a plane with the union flag.
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WJ99mobile
I'd like to vote Labour but I can't after some of the rubbish Drakeford has done and also endorsing anti-Brexit Starmer somewhat and I can't vote for Plaid as they're nationalistic idiots
So it's a choice between Tories or not voting.
Tories are also nationalists: "BBC chief told to use 'more than one union jack' in annual report
Tory MP asks Tim Davie how many union flags were pictured in the corporation’s financial document"
(https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-annual-report)
In fact, if you're against nationalism then I think Labour, Greens or Lib Dems are your best bet.
Wales loses seats in the next round of Westminster elections so say in events is going to decrease. For me that makes the Senedd elections even more important and even more important to get engaged with Welsh politics before making a decision. Podcast on Welsh politics can be found here: https://soundcloud.com/hiraethpod
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Shrewsbury Blue
I don't live in Wales so have no vote but who on earth are propel ?
As far as I can tell, Neil McEvoy fell out with Plaid so made his own party.
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surge
Tories are also nationalists: "BBC chief told to use 'more than one union jack' in annual report
Tory MP asks Tim Davie how many union flags were pictured in the corporation’s financial document"
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-annual-report)
In fact, if you're against nationalism then I think Labour, Greens or Lib Dems are your best bet.
Wales loses seats in the next round of Westminster elections so say in events is going to decrease. For me that makes the Senedd elections even more important and even more important to get engaged with Welsh politics before making a decision. Podcast on Welsh politics can be found here:
https://soundcloud.com/hiraethpod
If I can clarify - I'm against an independent wales
I listen to Hiraeth quite often after going off Desolution Radio (who have suggested some absolutely outrageous crap lately)
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WJ99mobile
If I can clarify - I'm against an independent wales
I listen to Hiraeth quite often after going off Desolution Radio (who have suggested some absolutely outrageous crap lately)
In which case I can say no more to you.
For the rest of you, please get engaged and make informed decisions.
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Interesting results so far! There are a massive amount of Labour voters switching over to Plaid, not surprisingly as Plaid are unlikely to win an outright majority so will most likely pair up with Labour and they will resist an independence referendum especially over a first term, plus the added benefit of having a working class stronger leader in Adam Price in charge who is also actually very well educated.
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I'm hoping that the Labour vote that disintegrates goes to Plaid, not the Tories. Even if people don't vote Labour because of the pandemic, I hope they don't really think the Tories have done things so much better that they're worth voting for.
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WJ99mobile
I'd like to vote Labour but I can't after some of the rubbish Drakeford has done and also endorsing anti-Brexit Starmer somewhat and I can't vote for Plaid as they're nationalistic idiots
So it's a choice between Tories or not voting.
Why would you like to vote Labour? You do know there are other parties besides Conservatives, Labour and Plaid do you?
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None of the above should be added to every ballot paper - imho
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cardiff55
Can you imagine Andrew RT Davies in charge? Why doesn't he call himself Andrew Davies?
Perhaps he just wants to appear to be "arty"
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the other bob wilson
Why would you like to vote Labour? You do know there are other parties besides Conservatives, Labour and Plaid do you?
I know the hypocrisy/stupidity but it really is a wasted vote
If voting was mandatory and turnout was 75%+ then it would be a different story but it's not and a vote for propel is a waste of time when you just know they're not going to be around come the following elections
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WJ99mobile
I'd like to vote Labour but I can't after some of the rubbish Drakeford has done and also endorsing anti-Brexit Starmer somewhat and I can't vote for Plaid as they're nationalistic idiots
So it's a choice between Tories or not voting.
what is the rubbish that Drakeford has done?
which Tories in Wales have impressed you?
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cardiff55
Can you imagine Andrew RT Davies in charge? Why doesn't he call himself Andrew Davies?
It's quite a scary proposition, but I can't see that happening.
Like a few others it'll probably be Plaid for me. Labour could have done themselves a favour and got a new leader in before the election. Having someone like Eluned Morgan or Ken Skates in charge now might have helped their cause.
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Whisperer
None of the above should be added to every ballot paper - imho
I agree
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Abolish wasn't an option when I first voted.
Get rid of the lot of um and build houses/tower blocks, where take silly looking wooden building is. :hehe:
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someone I know who works in Westminster was told back in December that it was "quite likely" that these upcoming elections would deliver a Tory majority in Wales.
i said that was a load of nonsense. I hope I was right.
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Rjk
what is the rubbish that Drakeford has done?
which Tories in Wales have impressed you?
I'm not going to give my entire political viewpoint over the internet but there are both things that a local and national level that alter my view
Tories at a national level have heavily supported the sector I work in as well as a pro-Brexit agenda which a lot of Wales voted for.
Welsh Labour are doing some things that I agree with such as taking in to public ownership the trains and Cardiff airport and then shoot themselves in the foot with the M4 relief road and various other infrastructure projects that have failed due to environmental concerns (which I'll admit is really not a concern of mine)
My bigger gripe is more to do with Labour at a national level.
I'll admit - I probably do want a 'Tory Party-Lite' without all the rubbish the Tory party comes with
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Rjk
someone I know who works in Westminster was told back in December that it was "quite likely" that these upcoming elections would deliver a Tory majority in Wales.
i said that was a load of nonsense. I hope I was right.
Can't see it personally but the polls seem to think so
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...ction-20234184
Based on uniform national swings, the regional list seats would split as follows:
North Wales: 1 Labour, 1 Plaid, 1 Conservative, 1 Abolish the Assembly
Mid and West Wales: 2 Labour, 1 Conservative, 1 Abolish the Assembly
South Wales West: 2 Conservative, 2 Plaid
South Wales Central: 2 Conservative, 1 Plaid, 1 Abolish the Assembly
South Wales East: 2 Conservative, 1 Plaid, 1 Abolish the Assembly
Overall, Labour would win 22 seats, the Conservatives 19, Plaid Cymru 14 , Abolish the Assembly 4 and the Liberal Democrats 1.
I do not see the voting going quite that way
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I really dont want to vote.
I cant wake up after the election and see Andrew R T Davies elected and have not voted.
I thought the Americans were loons voting for Trump.
R T Davies 😂😂😂
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WJ99mobile
I'm not going to give my entire political viewpoint over the internet but there are both things that a local and national level that alter my view
Tories at a national level have heavily supported the sector I work in as well as a pro-Brexit agenda which a lot of Wales voted for.
Welsh Labour are doing some things that I agree with such as taking in to public ownership the trains and Cardiff airport and then shoot themselves in the foot with the M4 relief road and various other infrastructure projects that have failed due to environmental concerns (which I'll admit is really not a concern of mine)
My bigger gripe is more to do with Labour at a national level.
I'll admit - I probably do want a 'Tory Party-Lite' without all the rubbish the Tory party comes with
I honestly don't believe that the Welsh Tories would have pushed the M4 relief road through either. the project made no sense financially. unless the firm's that were doing it were large Tory donors I can't see them having the appetite for it.
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Rjk
I honestly don't believe that the Welsh Tories would have pushed the M4 relief road through either. the project made no sense financially. unless the firm's that were doing it were large Tory donors I can't see them having the appetite for it.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Tories do well (labour fatigue, Tory MP's in North Wales from last Westminster elections but actually vote increase larger in the south) but, imo, I can't see what they have done to deserve it.
Regarding M4 relief road, if it does get made you almost instantly have to thing about a second relief road and that's only going to cause greater damage to the environment. Meanwhile, floods in Wales get worse.
Regarding Covid, ignoring the fire-breal idea, delay of lockdown in England, schools going back for one day all contributed to more sustained level of grief under a Tory government this winter.
In the big event of the year (covid) and big event of the next 10-15 years (climate change) Tories haven't stood up well. All while making cuts to any project in Wales at Westminster level or ignoring Wales completely.
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What are the benefits in voting Tories or abolishing ?
It will surely make anyone living in Wales worse off, won't it ?
I'm not a labour person, but Drakeford has done fine.
Plaid will endeavour to make the country that you live in more prosperous.....regardless of whether you are a "unionist" or a left-wing, post-colonial "nationalist". I vote Plaid but consider myself pro-independence and pro-immigration as opposed to a nationalist. I would also consider it imperative for our country to maintain close ties with England. But it is also essential for us to manage our on affairs in order for us to progress. I'm certain of this. We will be an after-thought within the union....and that is just a matter of numbers, nothing more. We only represent about 4% of the votership and GDP when lumped in with the rest of the countries in the UK. It's clear that we have little say and as such, can always be overlooked.
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surge
It wouldn't surprise me to see Tories do well (labour fatigue, Tory MP's in North Wales from last Westminster elections but actually vote increase larger in the south) but, imo, I can't see what they have done to deserve it.
Regarding M4 relief road, if it does get made you almost instantly have to thing about a second relief road and that's only going to cause greater damage to the environment. Meanwhile, floods in Wales get worse.
Regarding Covid, ignoring the fire-breal idea, delay of lockdown in England, schools going back for one day all contributed to more sustained level of grief under a Tory government this winter.
In the big event of the year (covid) and big event of the next 10 years (climate change) Tories haven't stood up well.
the relief road project would have sucked up all of the Welsh governments infrastructure spending capabilities for a long time and not actually delivered much tangible benefit.
I think it was estimated to generate an extra £25 million a year. for the cost it was extremely not worth it.
"environmental concerns" is a red herring - if it had paid for itself in 2 years it would have definitely been done. it was going to take like 30 years to pay back - so it got shelved.
I can't believe the conservatives would have approached it any differently. it would be an extremely un-tory way of doing things.
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Divine Wright
What are the benefits in voting Tories or abolishing ?
It will surely make anyone living in Wales worse off, won't it ?
I'm not a labour person, but Drakeford has done fine.
Plaid will endeavour to make the country that you live in more prosperous.....regardless of whether you are a "unionist" or a left-wing, post-colonial "nationalist". I vote Plaid but consider myself pro-independence and pro-immigration as opposed to a nationalist. I would also consider it imperative for our country to maintain close ties with England. But it is also essential for us to manage our on affairs in order for us to progress. I'm certain of this. We will be an after-thought within the union....and that is just a matter of numbers, nothing more. We only represent about 4% of the votership and GDP when lumped in with the rest of the countries in the UK. It's clear that we have little say and as such, can always be overlooked.
If you felt Wales was rarely taken seriously at Westminster level before (and only supported when it could be made a cross border issue) then just wait til our representation in UK government drops after next round of elections.
Those wanting to abolish Senedd presumably want the attention, and to express frustration with Senedd, but can't see how damaging it will be in less than 5 years time.
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surge
If you felt Wales was rarely taken seriously at Westminster level before (and only supported when it could be made a cross border issue) then just wait til our representation in UK government drops after next round of elections.
Those wanting to abolish Senedd presumably want the attention, and to express frustration with Senedd, but can't see how damaging it will be in less than 5 years time.
I don't see Abolish as a real threat to be honest. There's very little appetite for abolishing the Senedd amongst under 50s (indeed polling shows that independence is more popular than abolishing the Senedd). We're now seeing people who've grown up knowing nothing but the Senedd coming to vote so I think the calls for abolishment will decrease in the coming years
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Rjk
I honestly don't believe that the Welsh Tories would have pushed the M4 relief road through either. the project made no sense financially. unless the firm's that were doing it were large Tory donors I can't see them having the appetite for it.
On what basis did it not make sense financially?
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cityhammer
On what basis did it not make sense financially?
it was already to forecast more than 1bn quid and the estimates were being rapidly revised upwards.
the impact study suggested that building it would generate an extra £25 million a year in the Welsh economy or something like that. that would take 40 years to pay back the investment l. there have to be things that we can invest in that will have a better return for Wales than that.
if the shoe was on the other foot the Tories would have shot it down too for that reason, and also pretended it was for environmental concerns.
in 40 years we'll probably travel everywhere in tubes or something making the whole exercise completely pointless anyway.
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Rjk
it was already to forecast more than 1bn quid and the estimates were being rapidly revised upwards.
the impact study suggested that building it would generate an extra £25 million a year in the Welsh economy or something like that. that would take 40 years to pay back the investment l. there have to be things that we can invest in that will have a better return for Wales than that.
if the shoe was on the other foot the Tories would have shot it down too for that reason, and also pretended it was for environmental concerns.
in 40 years we'll probably travel everywhere in tubes or something making the whole exercise completely pointless anyway.
Or underwater roads which, if designed by Tories, conveniently miss out Wales.
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Vindec
I'm amazed by the results so far of that poll given the abuse anyone who has voted Tory has got on here.
Speaks volumes perhaps folk would feel bullied for having a different view and don't want to run the risk of abuse as they want to remain part of this message board.
When people type their vile responses they should consider who they are effecting, some may suffer from depression or anxiety and dont deserve the abuse for having a view .
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City123
I don't see Abolish as a real threat to be honest. There's very little appetite for abolishing the Senedd amongst under 50s (indeed polling shows that independence is more popular than abolishing the Senedd). We're now seeing people who've grown up knowing nothing but the Senedd coming to vote so I think the calls for abolishment will decrease in the coming years
I do understand the frustration with the senedd as they're unable to legislate on the big topics such as immigration, policing and various laws so end up discussing secondary issues. I think people look at the numbers of assembly members there are, on quite a sizeable wage for what is seemingly minimal work with a lot of talking and not a lot of action.
I again recognise my own hypocrisy for not wanting a independent Wales to which would grant said powers but I do feel an independent Wales would be such a massive risk economically that I just don't want to test the waters.
However I do agree we will need a Senedd more than ever over the next few years.
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WJ99mobile
I do understand the frustration with the senedd as they're unable to legislate on the big topics such as immigration, policing and various laws so end up discussing secondary issues. I think people look at the numbers of assembly members there are, on quite a sizeable wage for what is seemingly minimal work with a lot of talking and not a lot of action.
I again recognise my own hypocrisy for not wanting a independent Wales to which would grant said powers but I do feel an independent Wales would be such a massive risk economically that I just don't want to test the waters.
However I do agree we will need a Senedd more than ever over the next few years.
Id like a Senedd not dictated by a single party politics as its divisive to our nation
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
I do understand the frustration with the senedd as they're unable to legislate on the big topics such as immigration, policing and various laws so end up discussing secondary issues. I think people look at the numbers of assembly members there are, on quite a sizeable wage for what is seemingly minimal work with a lot of talking and not a lot of action.
I again recognise my own hypocrisy for not wanting a independent Wales to which would grant said powers but I do feel an independent Wales would be such a massive risk economically that I just don't want to test the waters.
However I do agree we will need a Senedd more than ever over the next few years.
We've seen increased pressure on devolution recently as I think there may be a feeling that time is running out on abolishing the Senedd and Holyrood especially. Younger people are in favour of the Senedd and more powers, the numbers supporting that are only likely to increase as more people who've grown up with it come of voting age
The issue with the Senedd is the Labour Party. Wales is pretty much a one party nation and has been for almost a century, that kind of dominance is bad for any country, the most desirable likely outcome for me is a Lab-Plaid coalition with a fairly even split minister wise.