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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Selective memories from some posters on here.
Tomlin doesn't work hard and doesn't track back? That's just lazy stereotyping of him. When he had that incredible run of games during the good run we had last season he was sometimes sprinting almost the length of the entire pitch to prevent a counter attack. This was 60+ mins into the games too.
Didn't Harris say that he picked up one of his injuries chasing back in training too?
Yes l, of course he's injury prone, but he's also the most talented footballer we've had in years. There's absolutely a place for a fit Tomlin in this team, even if it's bringing him on as a sub if we're chasing a game.
Tomlin busted a gut to get in shape for last season. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's repeated the effort, or perhaps he's simply unable to.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
There's absolutely a place for a fit Tomlin in this team, even if it's bringing him on as a sub if we're chasing a game.
Maybe if there was such a thing as a fit Tomlin.
Looking at those pictures of him, I’m waiting for my invitation to play in the under-23s!
Whilst he scored some important goals for us last year, he’s now a year older, out of shape and one more bad injury than last year. As things are, I’d say he’s miles away from the first team and I can’t see a way in for him.
Thanks for the memories, fella.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
How can you play a high press with someone that doesn’t run. The only way Tomlin plays is if Moore doesn’t
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
Probably should be mentioned that he got injured desperately trying to help us win a play-off game. He does not look near fit in those photos though.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Selective memories from some posters on here.
Tomlin doesn't work hard and doesn't track back? That's just lazy stereotyping of him. When he had that incredible run of games during the good run we had last season he was sometimes sprinting almost the length of the entire pitch to prevent a counter attack. This was 60+ mins into the games too.
Didn't Harris say that he picked up one of his injuries chasing back in training too?
Yes l, of course he's injury prone, but he's also the most talented footballer we've had in years. There's absolutely a place for a fit Tomlin in this team, even if it's bringing him on as a sub if we're chasing a game.
He does chase down but then he’s blowing after it at his best he’s a joy to watch but model athlete he ain’t.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
The Hooded Claw
Maybe if there was such a thing as a fit Tomlin.
Looking at those pictures of him, I’m waiting for my invitation to play in the under-23s!
Whilst he scored some important goals for us last year, he’s now a year older, out of shape and one more bad injury than last year. As things are, I’d say he’s miles away from the first team and I can’t see a way in for him.
Thanks for the memories, fella.
Well if you're saying that those performances last season came from an 'unfit' Tomlin then there's a place for an 'unfit' Tomlin in our side too.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
He does chase down but then he’s blowing after it at his best he’s a joy to watch but model athlete he ain’t.
Nobody is suggesting that he's a model athlete. Certainly not me.
Read the post again and the point that I was arguing. Some posters have called him lazy and said he doesn't chase down. That's wrong. Nothing to do with his athleticism (or lack thereof).
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
Stanmore Bluebird
He slimmed down massively for last season. What sort of professional footballer allows himself to regain so much weight previously shed due to hard work on his part in a space of 5 months or so? This is a massive pity for him and the City. He looked at least 1.5 stone too heavy to me playing for the under 23s.
If he had truly professional standards he wouldn't have had to slim down massively for last season, he'd have already been there. I don't understand why people cannot see that all the sudden fitness and the agent's talk of him 'having had problems' and 'being in a better place' were directly focused on him getting a new contract. The idiots gave it to him so now he is fat again. Surprise surprise!!
He had no interest in being a proper professional, if he had he would have played at the highest level, but he doesn't.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
I do see him playing this season coming off the bench, but only if we are losing the game and pressurising the opposition who are defending for their lives because they are protecting their lead.
He is able to thread a pass through the eye of a needle and he is a danger at free kicks around the opposition box.
However, the way MM is setting up, i.e. with the high press and everybody taking their turn to close down the ball when we don't have it, it would be like playing with ten men.
From the pictures posted above, I couldn't even see him being able to get back onside when our attack breaks down let alone track back with a breaking opposition player.
Shocking photos but unsurprising.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
them picture are both shocking and extremely sad
He is s.posed to be a professional footballer, he is never going to play a part in this season carrying that extra weight even if you ignore MM high press and high work rate setup, he looks like a sunday pub team player
How anyone can defend Lee at that weight is beyond me
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
As a starter? I can't see it. Actually, I'd be surprised if Tomlin ever plays for us again.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Well if you're saying that those performances last season came from an 'unfit' Tomlin then there's a place for an 'unfit' Tomlin in our side too.
No. I’m saying that since last year, he’s picked up a bad injury, lost his fitness and is, of course, a year older.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
Ianto13
Tomlin has the skills of a Premier League Player but the fitness of a Parks player! A professional footballer should never be overweight, injured or not!
And certainly not that shape very poor and sad.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
The Hooded Claw
No. I’m saying that since last year, he’s picked up a bad injury, lost his fitness and is, of course, a year older.
He had a bad injury, lost his fitness and was a year or two older than when he was when Warnock dropped him when Harris brought him into the fold.
We all know how that turned out.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
And certainly not that shape very poor and sad.
its embarrassing to be honest :frown:
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
If he had truly professional standards he wouldn't have had to slim down massively for last season, he'd have already been there. I don't understand why people cannot see that all the sudden fitness and the agent's talk of him 'having had problems' and 'being in a better place' were directly focused on him getting a new contract. The idiots gave it to him so now he is fat again. Surprise surprise!!
He had no interest in being a proper professional, if he had he would have played at the highest level, but he doesn't.
Well said!
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
Thats not 5 stone overweight ff sake
If he loses a stone he will be fine
Class player to bring on when we are cruising to break teams down further as they chase the game
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
I love to watch him play but the reality is that he's a luxury item rather than a fully functioning part of the machine and I'm beginning to realise that Harry Wilson is a bit like that too.
If we want to progress properly then we need to be able to accommodate one or two players like that because they're match winners and fantastic to watch, but whether we can afford them at this stage in the rough and tumble of the second league is debatable.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
That's poor, he looks way off.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Selective memories from some posters on here.
Tomlin doesn't work hard and doesn't track back? That's just lazy stereotyping of him. When he had that incredible run of games during the good run we had last season he was sometimes sprinting almost the length of the entire pitch to prevent a counter attack. This was 60+ mins into the games too.
Didn't Harris say that he picked up one of his injuries chasing back in training too?
Yes l, of course he's injury prone, but he's also the most talented footballer we've had in years. There's absolutely a place for a fit Tomlin in this team, even if it's bringing him on as a sub if we're chasing a game.
Totally agree, I don't think we've had such a naturally gifted player on our books since maybe Koumas. Tomlin has that special quality of creating winning opportunities out of nothing.
That said he's obviously got a weight problem and that's his Achilles heel. If only we had a really fit Tomlin on our hands then we might be able to forget the play offs and go up automatically.
Sadly, I see MM only using him sparingly, if at all, and if Mick is confirmed as manager next season Tomlin will be on his way out. I wish it were otherwise.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
Totally agree, I don't think we've had such a naturally gifted player on our books since maybe Koumas. Tomlin has that special quality of creating winning opportunities out of nothing.
That said he's obviously got a weight problem and that's his Achilles heel. If only we had a really fit Tomlin on our hands then we might be able to forget the play offs and go up automatically.
Sadly, I see MM only using him sparingly, if at all, and if Mick is confirmed as manager next season Tomlin will be on his way out. I wish it were otherwise.
What has he done for us in the last 4 seasons?
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
Since he signed for us he has played in 34 games in all competitions and that is including as sub or being subbed. In those games he has scored 11 goals.
This season he played in 5 games and of those we drew 1 and lost 2. some gamechanger.
Given a recorded cost of £2,900,0000 that works out at about £85,300/game or part of a game, and as £263.600 goal scored.
That is not even considering the wages he had put in his back pocket in the process and the cost of his medical treatment. You can add another £5 million+ just for his wages.
There is no way anyone can justify that as his being an asset to the club. No way!
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
What has he done for us in the last 4 seasons?
Nothing then spoke about his problems, got fit and fired us into the playoffs. Is it you who is suggesting it was all about getting a contract? Must admit I was that cynical when that article came out but think it's a tad unfair to say it now.
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Re: Has Tomlin a place in a MM side?
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Originally Posted by
surge
Nothing then spoke about his problems, got fit and fired us into the playoffs. Is it you who is suggesting it was all about getting a contract? Must admit I was that cynical when that article came out but think it's a tad unfair to say it now.
I can't see why it is unfair to say it now. look at the stats. Yes I agree it was me who said it was all about getting a new contract and nothing he has done since has indicated anything different to me.
I hear so many people saying "He fired us into the playoffs". We lost them. So we were really no better off than if we hadn't got there, although for us supporters it was a good ride. He is as fat and lazy now as he was when we sent him out on loan because he was useless. His refusal to move closer so he could train with the team properly doesn't exactly smack of a totally committed member of the squad does it?
He flatters to deceive. Look at what he has cost and the return for it. I think its a no-brainer.