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How bad are Man United?
Awful, it’s so easy for Liverpool - if they don’t get complacent, they could get five or six.
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They don’t look like they are trying?
Their midfield looks as half arsed as Bacuna and as slow as Pack
I think Roy Keane is going to have a fit here
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binman
They don’t look like they are trying?
Their midfield looks as half arsed as Bacuna and as slow as Pack
I think Roy Keane is going to have a fit here
Thiago’s been taking the piss, but you’re right, they’re letting him do what he likes.
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the other bob wilson
Thiago’s been taking the piss, but you’re right, they’re letting him do what he likes.
Liverpool’s second goal was sublime, but Man U players aren’t even running, awful.
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Pretty bad. But they shouldn't be. It's all about management. They have a great squad. Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea just have far, far, far better managers.
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NYCBlue
Pretty bad. But they shouldn't be. It's all about management. They have a great squad. Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea just have far, far, far better managers.
their squad has some pretty big problems, that haven't been addressed for years
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the other bob wilson
Thiago’s been taking the piss, but you’re right, they’re letting him do what he likes.
He ran the game ...sublime passing ..such a contrast from what we have had to endure at times this season
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Oh and how much have United spent on that squad ? They should be doing better and instead chuck their manager under the bus
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Bad , body language suggests players are not committed to the cause,club seems to move from one knee manager appointment to another without thought .
Moyes should have been gjven longer.
Liverpool are a class act though.
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Wonderfully bad. McGuire must be the worst captain ever for them
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Armitage Shanks
Wonderfully bad. McGuire must be the worst captain ever for them
Was it £70 million for him. Liverpool paid 75 million for van Dyke. Who got the best deal there I wonder
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Armitage Shanks
Wonderfully bad. McGuire must be the worst captain ever for them
£80M. Eighty ****ing million pounds.
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NYCBlue
£80M. Eighty ****ing million pounds.
Could have had 13 Gary Medines....
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they are terribly much better than us
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Rjk
their squad has some pretty big problems, that haven't been addressed for years
Quite.
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NYCBlue
Pretty bad. But they shouldn't be. It's all about management. They have a great squad. Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea just have far, far, far better managers.
They definitely don’t have a great squad. They have some decent players but they also have some very ordinary and limited players. Ask yourself which United players would get into the first team of the other 3 teams that you mention? None.
The other 3 teams do have far better managers as well.
(Any club that has OGS as manager for any length of time, has no idea what they are doing)
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NYCBlue
Pretty bad. But they shouldn't be. It's all about management. They have a great squad. Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea just have far, far, far better managers.
I agree about the managers but not the United squad, which compared to the top 3 is bang average. Other than Ronaldo at his peak there is not one player on current form who would get into the starting line up of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Most would struggle to even get into the Tottenham team too and they are no great shakes.
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Moodybluebird
I agree about the managers but not the United squad, which compared to the top 3 is bang average. Other than Ronaldo at his peak there is not one player on current form who would get into the starting line up of Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Most would struggle to even get into the Tottenham team too and they are no great shakes.
Ronaldo wouldn't get near any of those teams these days
That said, Manure are still the 6th best team in the country or thereabouts
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Rjk
Ronaldo wouldn't get near any of those teams these days
That said, Manure are still the 6th best team in the country or thereabouts
I did specify Ronaldo at his peak. Having said that, 2 hat-tricks in the last month is none too shabby !
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the other bob wilson
Awful, it’s so easy for Liverpool - if they don’t get complacent, they could get five or six.
I never ever watch 'el plastico', but with all the pundits on Talksport saying how Man Utd were in for an expected hammering, I settled down to watch it. Man Utd were awful. I really, truly do hope they go down next season. it would be great to see the number of the plastic supporters wearing Man Utd tops diminish greatly in the South Wales area with that occurrence. Now, where's both Tommy Doc and Denis Law when you need them?
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Mr Soul '68
I never ever watch 'el plastico', but with all the pundits on Talksport saying how Man Utd were in for an expected hammering, I settled down to watch it. Man Utd were awful. I really, truly do hope they go down next season. it would be great to see the number of the plastic supporters wearing Man Utd tops diminish greatly in the South Wales area with that occurrence. Now, where's both Tommy Doc and Denis Law when you need them?
I might be wrong here but the last time they were relegated the following season they averaged the biggest attendances in the country?
They were also attracting hordes of new fans as their supporters rampaged their way through the second division. Their game down here getting mythological status amongst some of the older lot I used to knock around with.
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Not sure how much the commentators and analysts' comments influence general opinion on them. They could still finish fourth behind the European Champions and a Liverpool and Man City playing almost invincibly. They're not the force they are, but last night they faced a Liverpool side who work like a whirlwind in the 1st half especially.
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Bobby Dandruff
They definitely don’t have a great squad. They have some decent players but they also have some very ordinary and limited players. Ask yourself which United players would get into the first team of the other 3 teams that you mention? None.
The other 3 teams do have far better managers as well.
(Any club that has OGS as manager for any length of time, has no idea what they are doing)
Problems began long before OGS. Fergie shouldn’t have returned after he retired the first time, that’s when their problems started.
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A Quiet Monkfish
Not sure how much the commentators and analysts' comments influence general opinion on them. They could still finish fourth behind the European Champions and a Liverpool and Man City playing almost invincibly. They're not the force they are, but last night they faced a Liverpool side who work like a whirlwind in the 1st half especially.
And Manchester United we’re completely passive in the face of what you call a whirlwind. As a fully paid up member of the anyone but Man Utd club, part of me enjoyed seeing them embarrassed, but I was shocked by the complete lack of fight that you could rely on from all of their sides down the years was missing from this one - they were much the same at Everton.
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Jordi Culé
I might be wrong here but the last time they were relegated the following season they averaged the biggest attendances in the country?
They were also attracting hordes of new fans as their supporters rampaged their way through the second division. Their game down here getting mythological status amongst some of the older lot I used to knock around with.
I'm not sure they averaged the biggest home atendances that season. I'm sure Liverpool would have been higher than theirs was.
There is a very good reason why the Utd game it home in August 1974 has reached mythical proportions. Here are two reviews of that game, both from the Man Utd perspective. In the 2nd paragraph of the first article the writer states:
Our supporters would descend on the rival town or city and take it over. Trains, coaches, cars from all over Britain would arrive throughout matchday. Rival fans were overawed. There would be exceptions, some rival supporters decided to stand in the way of this Red tide. Cardiff City on a bright, sunny August day in 1974 were the first.
https://strettynews.com/2013/11/24/t...-39-years-ago/
The second contains descriptions of characters that a few of our older fans may recognise:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/card...d-1974.158684/
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Rjk
Ronaldo wouldn't get near any of those teams these days
That said, Manure are still the 6th best team in the country or thereabouts
Ronaldo is not the player he was, but he's scored 21 goals this season in that rubbish side. Imagine how many he would score at Man City, who need a striker.
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Cleve van Leef
Problems began long before OGS. Fergie shouldn’t have returned after he retired the first time, that’s when their problems started.
Their problems started when those parasitic usurers took over, getting JP Morgan to stump up the purchase money on the guarantee of debt interest repayments ad infinitum.
The Glazers and JP Morgan loaded the debt onto the club, who had previously been making a profit. They are sucking the club dry.
There are an increasing number of British football clubs that are in or getting in the same boat.
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Cleve van Leef
Problems began long before OGS. Fergie shouldn’t have returned after he retired the first time, that’s when their problems started.
Of course.
But any big club stupid enough to employ him as their manager clearly has no idea what they are doing.
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Re: How bad are Man United?
Extremely!
They are a club in turmoil.
I hope that people who criticise our club for the way it is run, owner, players watched that last night.
Yes Liverpool are a good side, even a great side, but the way MU went about their business showed that the management and players are miles apart.
CCFC have a lot of building to do yes, but we could be far far worse off than we are judging from that last night.
Their wage bill is 50, a hundred times bigger than ours.
At least since Morison came in we have looked on times to have a game plan and even played some decent stuff, up until a few weeks ago that is, basically til we were safe. But Manchester United!!
This Dutch bloke MU they are bringing in had better be a magician to turn the club around to what the fans expect in a season or two.
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MacAdder
Extremely!
They are a club in turmoil.
I hope that people who criticise our club for the way it is run, owner, players watched that last night.
Yes Liverpool are a good side, even a great side, but the way MU went about their business showed that the management and players are miles apart.
CCFC have a lot of building to do yes, but we could be far far worse off than we are judging from that last night.
At least since Morison came in we have looked on times to have a game plan and even played some decent stuff, up until a few weeks ago that is, basically til we were safe. But Manchester United!!
This Dutch bloke MU they are bringing in had better be a magician to turn the club around to what the fans expect in a season or two.
Man U are a complete mess compared to where they should be - but I doubt many of their fans would trade places with us tbh.
Their income is still massive compared to almost every other club, so they can afford to pay for players to sort out their squad relatively quickly. The owners have taken a lot of money out, and the lack of a director of football seems to be holding them back massively, but they're still probably going to finish 5th or 6th
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Mr Soul '68
I never ever watch 'el plastico', but with all the pundits on Talksport saying how Man Utd were in for an expected hammering, I settled down to watch it. Man Utd were awful. I really, truly do hope they go down next season. it would be great to see the number of the plastic supporters wearing Man Utd tops diminish greatly in the South Wales area with that occurrence. Now, where's both Tommy Doc and Denis Law when you need them?
Sadly it probably wouldn't affect their plastic fans unless it was an extended period out of the top tier. If anything most plastic fans would feel that it "validated" their fanship - they will now be "proper" fans, how could they be considered to be glory supporters if they were Man U fans during a relegation season and a season outside the top flight.
Ridiculous I know, but I guarantee there will be fans who think like that.
I know a ManU fan from Ayelsbury, who swears blind she's not a glory supporter because the year she started to support them they finished 2nd :hehe:
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Jordi Culé
I might be wrong here but the last time they were relegated the following season they averaged the biggest attendances in the country?
They were also attracting hordes of new fans as their supporters rampaged their way through the second division. Their game down here getting mythological status amongst some of the older lot I used to knock around with.
They won’t go down. A few keys signings and get rid of idiots like pogba and they will easily finish 4th. They need to stop wasting money. It must be tough for utd fans almost now no longer being even considered rivals on the pitch to Man City and Liverpool….that’s embarrassing.
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Mr Soul '68
I'm not sure they averaged the biggest home atendances that season. I'm sure Liverpool would have been higher than theirs was.
There is a very good reason why the Utd game it home in August 1974 has reached mythical proportions. Here are two reviews of that game, both from the Man Utd perspective. In the 2nd paragraph of the first article the writer states:
Our supporters would descend on the rival town or city and take it over. Trains, coaches, cars from all over Britain would arrive throughout matchday. Rival fans were overawed. There would be exceptions, some rival supporters decided to stand in the way of this Red tide. Cardiff City on a bright, sunny August day in 1974 were the first.
https://strettynews.com/2013/11/24/t...-39-years-ago/
The second contains descriptions of characters that a few of our older fans may recognise:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/card...d-1974.158684/
Jesus Christ I just read both of those :yikes:
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delmbox
Jesus Christ I just read both of those :yikes:
I thought they were a good read, these things are always more sympathetic to read from the perspective of the side who have had a leathering.
The cardiff antagonist from the second article sounds like a complete psychopath. :hehe:
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I don’t recognise either of those two descriptions. I’m not saying those things didn’t take place, just that, in my experience, if you’re not interested in having a fight, you can, almost always, avoid one. From memory, I didn’t see any trouble at all on my way to and from the ground, but looking from the back of the Grange End at separate fights going on simultaneously in each of the other three stands in the ground was something I’d not seen before or since.
As always, my main interest was in the game and Man United were never in any trouble once they’d scored their early penalty.
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the other bob wilson
Awful, it’s so easy for Liverpool - if they don’t get complacent, they could get five or six.
Didn't they lose to their Liverpool 9 nil on aggregate, even worse than us (only just) and it must hurt because most of them are plastics and only support them because they win trebles and alike!
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But last night Liverpool were on a completely different level to Manure.
Yes they are probably still in the top 6 or7 clubs in the UK (and therefore probably the world) but on last night's showing they won't last long, they're going in the wrong direction.
Even when one or other of these clubs are in the doldrums the team has always 'stood up' for this fixture, but last night they didn't even have the bottle or the pride for that. I have no love for Manure but it was terrible to see, like men playing boys. The crowd should have got their money back.
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When tarty plastic clubs like United get stuffed I always have a chuckle . Sadly another tarty plastic club handed out the beating . But there is always hope .
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Rjk
Man U are a complete mess compared to where they should be - but I doubt many of their fans would trade places with us tbh.
Their income is still massive compared to almost every other club, so they can afford to pay for players to sort out their squad relatively quickly. The owners have taken a lot of money out, and the lack of a director of football seems to be holding them back massively, but they're still probably going to finish 5th or 6th
No shit Sherlock :hehe:
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NYCBlue
Pretty bad. But they shouldn't be. It's all about management. They have a great squad. Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea just have far, far, far better managers.
They've got too many players that can't be managed, though. And a lot of their players are overpaid and overrated. They're completely incapable of carrying out instructions. One manager, maybe but they've been exactly the same under Moyes, LVG, Jose, OGS and Rangnick.
No tears here though, I wish all the big clubs go this way :hehe:. Although the broken club narrative, do me a bloody favour.