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Wasn’t expecting that verdict.
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Bizarre.
Whether sympathetic to their actions or not, surely you can't go around destroying things with no consequence.
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Nor was I.
Rather agree with them, but whatever your beliefs, you can't make a unilateral decision on what is righr or wong and just destroy what you don't like.
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Good for them. Unusual to wish Bristolians well.
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One of the protesters said after the verdict that removing the statue had the affect of rewriting history. That's what the Russians did after Stalin killed at least 3m people. Bizarre. History is history that should be told truthfully however bad that may be.
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Would have made more sense to me to find them guilty and then for the judge to impose a nominal fine.
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Somewhere in a darkened room Ugly Patel will be distraught, she was hoping to impose ten year jail sentences. Well done that jury.
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Vindec
One of the protesters said after the verdict that removing the statue had the affect of rewriting history. That's what the Russians did after Stalin killed at least 3m people. Bizarre. History is history that should be told truthfully however bad that may be.
The statue didn’t tell history though.
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Think the Bristol Mayor should explain why he and the council did not act and remove it knowing the statue had been an issue for so many and after receiving many complaints over many years ??
Let's prey this case result doesn't lead to more acts of civil action.
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Dave Blue
Good for them. Unusual to wish Bristolians well.
Funny that one of the four doesn't live in Bristol but in Hampshire.
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life on mars
Think the Bristol Mayor should explain why he and the council did not act and remove it knowing the statue had been an issue for so many and after receiving many complaints over many years ??
Let's prey this case result doesn't lead to more acts of civil action.
Civil action is all that’s left in this country. You’ll be thankful for people like these one day.
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Trigger
Bizarre.
Whether sympathetic to their actions or not, surely you can't go around destroying things with no consequence.
There were consequences though. They were tried and found not guilty.
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Vindec
One of the protesters said after the verdict that removing the statue had the affect of rewriting history. That's what the Russians did after Stalin killed at least 3m people. Bizarre. History is history that should be told truthfully however bad that may be.
recently we have all seen history airbrushed to appease society
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lisvaneblue
Funny that one of the four doesn't live in Bristol but in Hampshire.
Why?
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lisvaneblue
Funny that one of the four doesn't live in Bristol but in Hampshire.
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Tuerto
Why?
Maybe Bristol has better butchers than Hampshire?
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The Bloop
Maybe Bristol has better butchers than Hampshire?
:hehe: :thumbup:
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The Bloop
Maybe Bristol has better butchers than Hampshire?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Good for them.
The statue has been a disgrace and shame on Bristol for years
People asked nicely for it to be removed or moved and they were ignored.
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The Bloop
Maybe Bristol has better butchers than Hampshire?
Look, this is serious.....:hehe::hehe::hehe:
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Citizen's Nephew
Civil action is all that’s left in this country. You’ll be thankful for people like these one day.
Absolutely
As much as having statues of killers up is a part of history, so is the removal of such statues.
Ps... You don't destroy history by removing statues... You destroy history by not teaching it truthfully in schools or telling the truth about these killers in museums etc.... Sadly British history that is taught does not portray a truthful history.
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Citizen's Nephew
Look, this is serious.....:hehe::hehe::hehe:
Are you familiar with 'Sausagegate' ?
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AfricanBluebird
Absolutely
As much as having statues of killers up is a part of history, so is the removal of such statues.
Ps... You don't destroy history by removing statues... You destroy history by not teaching it truthfully in schools or telling the truth about these killers in museums etc.... Sadly British history that is taught does not portray a truthful history.
Well said.
I dont get this rewriting history bollox.
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Tuerto
Are you familiar with 'Sausagegate' ?
The thread?
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Tuerto
Are you familiar with 'Sausagegate' ?
Or am I just laughing at a joke I've made up in my head about a Bristol butcher from Hampshire and my subconscious is filling in the blanks (and there are quite a few blanks today!)?
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Hilts
Well said.
I dont get this rewriting history bollox.
The thing is, history is written, usually by the victors or powerful or wealthy or, let's face it, literate. So it comes in many forms and is nearly always someone's 'version' of events. So changing the narrative is a good thing when the slant has been in favour of Bristolian philanthropist who cares for the poor white folk as opposed to the white bloke who made a killing out of slavery (sic..k).
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Citizen's Nephew
Or am I just laughing at a joke I've made up in my head about a Bristol butcher from Hampshire and my subconscious is filling in the blanks (and there are quite a few blanks today!)?
It's aimed at me. And between you and I some butchers in Hampshire sell really good venison. But for lamb there is only one place to go.......
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lisvaneblue
It's aimed at me. And between you and I some butchers in Hampshire sell really good venison. But for lamb there is only one place to go.......
Wasn't this on some sausage thread though Mr L or am I imagining that? Or burger thread (vegan?)? Please tell me I'm not going even madder!
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lisvaneblue
Funny that one of the four doesn't live in Bristol but in Hampshire.
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Tuerto
Why?
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lisvaneblue
It's aimed at me. And between you and I some butchers in Hampshire sell really good venison. But for lamb there is only one place to go.......
I couldn't resist sorry.
For anyone not familiar with the debate -
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...n-Wales-advice
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lisvaneblue
It's aimed at me. And between you and I some butchers in Hampshire sell really good venison. But for lamb there is only one place to go.......
:hehe: Good sport :thumbup:
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The Bloop
Thanks...All to do with Drakeford and his stupid 5 mile rule. Now that history has been written he has admitted that it was an unrealistic, unworkable and unscientific rule pushed onto the people of Wales.
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The Bloop
OK. It's not what I was s******ing at. You don't want to know what went through my mind. Some sick sh*t I can tell you.
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To me this is the right outcome with the wrong decision if that makes sense
It puts the definition of offence onto individuals and not from the state which I don’t agree with.
I applaud why they did what they did but not necessarily agree with their actions.
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lisvaneblue
Funny that one of the four doesn't live in Bristol but in Hampshire.
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Tuerto
Why?
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lisvaneblue
Thanks...All to do with Drakeford and his stupid 5 mile rule. Now that history has been written he has admitted that it was an unrealistic, unworkable and unscientific rule pushed onto the people of Wales.
One day someone will list all of the odd rules that have been in place since the start if the pandemic. Maintaining a 2 metre gap in a swimming pool was one that springs to mind, as does staying in your own county, meaning I couldn't cycle completely across the barrage.
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The Bloop
Would have made more sense to me to find them guilty and then for the judge to impose a nominal fine.
^^^^ This
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Hilts
Well said.
I dont get this rewriting history bollox.
Me neither, for me this is the right verdict.
This is not rewriting history, it's more a question of a community declaring what they find offensive and thereby ensuring the removal of the offending item away from general view. By all means put it in a museum where it belongs.
I definitely would not have wanted the statue to have been destroyed because it tells a story of a mindset long ago and it should be recognised as an important historical artefact. However that story should be available to be explored with its own narrative in a place where people make the conscious choice to learn about it. Having it on public display in a city centre for all and sundry to see is not right.
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At first glance this seems a fine example of white, middle class privilege. Something I normally am minded to dismiss.
Colston is a very controversial figure, but that goes for many and you can't go pulling down stuff because you personally don't like it
Am surprised the jury found them not guilty, but as with all court cases, it's best to go with the decision of those who heard the entire case.
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JamesWales
At first glance this seems a fine example of white, middle class privilege. Something I normally am minded to dismiss.
Colston is a very controversial figure, but that goes for many and you can't go pulling down stuff because you personally don't like it
Am surprised the jury found them not guilty, but as with all court cases, it's best to go with the decision of those who heard the entire case.
‘Personally don't like it’, in this day and age who’d personally like it:shrug: Just because stuff like dog shite was accepted on our streets in the past doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be cleaned up now.
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The Bloop
Would have made more sense to me to find them guilty and then for the judge to impose a nominal fine.
I'm glad they didn't get criminal records for this because having one for activism of this nature is a much greater sentence than a nominal fine. It follows you around for years (sometimes for life). Anyway, a jury found them not guilty by an 11 to 1 majority and the defence argued that the statue, which stood over the city for 125 years, was so indecent and potentially abusive that it constituted a crime. The jury agreed with this. It does set a precedent. which in my view, is a good thing.
I've had discussions about this with lots of people and I always ask them to imagine a statue of Jimmy Saville being in a public place and would they feel the same way if someone/people pulled it down. Remember, Bristol had had 125 years to think this one over. It's not like the community hadn't asked politely for it to be removed. It was up to the BLM to get things going. That's a lot of waiting around for 'the state' to do the decent thing.
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splott parker
‘Personally don't like it’, in this day and age who’d personally like it:shrug: Just because stuff like dog shite was accepted on our streets in the past doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be cleaned up now.
Problem is, different people have different opinions of things they like or don't like.
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JamesWales
At first glance this seems a fine example of white, middle class privilege. Something I normally am minded to dismiss.
Colston is a very controversial figure, but that goes for many and you can't go pulling down stuff because you personally don't like it
Am surprised the jury found them not guilty, but as with all court cases, it's best to go with the decision of those who heard the entire case.
Saying Colston is a very controversial figure is a bit like saying Epstein or Maxwell were/are controversial figures when in fact they're all hideous individuals. Colston was a slaver. There's nothing controversial about it. The jury did the right thing, for once. They clearly didn't feel the need to stick the boot in and f*ck these people's lives up for doing something that is a lot less bad than speeding on the motorway.