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Cardiff 'International' Airport goes from strength to strength
https://ukaviation.news/jet2s-bristo...holiday-seats/
Initially they were seriously considering either Cardiff or Bristol. Apparently really impressed with WAG's decision to cancel the M4 relief road on environmental grounds.
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Shame, although tempered by the fact that holidays seem like some long distance dream at the moment.
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A Quiet Monkfish
Yes, I'm sure that was the clincher....
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Whilst that might not have helped the relief road would be about a decade away.
Not sure that’s the sole reason for choosing Bristol.
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Bristol is a far better airport geographically makes perfect sense .
I'm sure if we tried to develop Cardiff Airport the environmental outpouring will be deafening as it was for the M4 relief
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48512697
"" The Welsh Government will not build the £1.6bn M4 relief road, First Minister Mark Drakeford has decided.
He axed the scheme because of its cost and impact on the environment. ""
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life on mars
"He axed the scheme because of its cost and impact on the environment."
What a bastard. Imagine a politician being concerned about public money and the environment. Disgraceful.
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life on mars
Bristol is a far better airport geographically makes perfect sense .
I'm sure if we tried to develop Cardiff Airport the environmental outpouring will be deafening as it was for the M4 relief
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48512697
"" The Welsh Government will not build the £1.6bn M4 relief road, First Minister Mark Drakeford has decided.
He axed the scheme because of its
COST and impact on the environment. ""
Haven’t they spent trillions already on bits of paper and compulsory purchases ?
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The Lone Gunman
What a bastard. Imagine a politician being concerned about public money and the environment. Disgraceful.
Says the man that complained about castle street being closed
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BLUETIT
spent trillions already
If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a million times, don’t exaggerate :biggrin:
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WJ99mobile
Says the man that complained about castle street being closed
Yup, because that was a massive waste of public money and did sweet **** all for the environment.
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Cardiff Airport is ****ed , its a bit potty that two cities of similar size have two similar sized airports and are only 40 miles apart
Birmingham is a fairly big airport and caters for Birmingham, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Stoke etc
The North West of England has Manchester and Liverpool airports serving huge populations
It seems daft to try and push Cardiff Airport when Bristol is years ahead of us , the new link road from the M4 to Cardiff Airport via Barry is going to be a complete waste of money and ruin the environment , best off using Cardiff for freight and accepting if you want to feck off the hamburg , you have to drive an hour and twenty minutes to Bristol
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WJ99mobile
Whilst that might not have helped the relief road would be about a decade away.
Not sure that’s the sole reason for choosing Bristol.
No, it probably wasn't, but had the relief road been started a decade ago - when the WAG started prevaricating - it would now be complete. I can imagine Drakeford & Co. selling the airport's accessibility ".. you see, you park your car here, get on a train here, then change at Cardiff for Barry, then get a bus or taxi to the airport. See ? "
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The Lone Gunman
Yup, because that was a massive waste of public money and did sweet **** all for the environment.
It did actually alter it for some though, it piled more traffic onto the roads that remained open to the detriment of the of the folk living in those areas and their environment becoming worse.
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splott parker
It did actually alter it for some though, it piled more traffic onto the roads that remained open to the detriment of the of the folk living in those areas and their environment becoming worse.
Indeed, and it still does. And it made the city centre look like the scene of a major road accident. For months. And it still does.
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Several airports have direct train-lines from centre which would improve transport links without being so bad for the environment. That (improved public transport) is far more likely that a relief road and would work just as well.
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surge
Several airports have direct train-lines from centre which would improve transport links without being so bad for the environment. That (improved public transport) is far more likely that a relief road and would work just as well.
Is the correct solution. Straight off the train onto the plane, more or less, and the same on the return leg. Taxi from the house to Cardiff General, train directly into Rhoose Airport, improve the rail network I say:thumbup:
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Don't think Cardiff Airport's problems are anything to do with transport links, despite that new by-pass around Bedminster, Bristol Airport can still be a nightmare to get to. You've got a very affluent catchment area including Bristol itself, Bath and the Cotswolds are close by. B.A , Manx, Air Wales, BmiBaby and Flybe all tried different routes from Cardiff over the years and struggled to make it work.
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surge
Several airports have direct train-lines from centre which would improve transport links without being so bad for the environment. That (improved public transport) is far more likely that a relief road and would work just as well.
Sadly neither Cardiff council nor WAG has any real interest in developing public transport, they just like to talk about it and then punish car users for not using a totally inadequate and sometimes non-existent facility.
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splott parker
Is the correct solution. Straight off the train onto the plane, more or less, and the same on the return leg. Taxi from the house to Cardiff General, train directly into Rhoose Airport, improve the rail network I say:thumbup:
You only need a BOAT in there somewhere, then you could make up a song and call it “Trains and Boats and Planes”
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Talking of the sore point of traffic retrictions and Cardiff City Centre, I tried to drive into town this morning to do some of my regular shopping. I couldn't get in. It was impossible.
I drove done around the bottom intending tp park in the St David Centre. I couldn't get near it. The traffic in Callaghan Square waiting to turn right into Bute St didn't move for 10 minutes.
so I thought I'd go round by the prison, turn left and come in that way. no chance, the traffic waiting to turn left was stationary.
so I drove up by the back of the blind institute, exactly the same.
I ended up going through splott up to the junction with Newport Rd Glossop Terrace. The traffic goin into town was stationary. I ended up going up City road to Gabalfa tesco and then home.
The number of people going into town was ridiculous. I'm a regular shopper there and I have never seen traffic like that on a normal saturday.
2 things spring to mind. If the council gave people easier access to the other car parks and stopped putting up signs suggesting they are no reachable this wouldn't happen.
The second, and in this environment more disturbing, is so many people obviously not doing the least they need to. It was seriously worse than Christmas.
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islandblue
Don't think Cardiff Airport's problems are anything to do with transport links, despite that new by-pass around Bedminster, Bristol Airport can still be a nightmare to get to. You've got a very affluent catchment area including Bristol itself, Bath and the Cotswolds are close by. B.A , Manx, Air Wales, BmiBaby and Flybe all tried different routes from Cardiff over the years and struggled to make it work.
It's partly marketing, everyone I know assumes Bristol's is better no matter how long ago they went to Cardiff or Bristol, part of it is to do with UK government decisions not wanting to devolve certain tax laws to Wales due to harm it could do to Bristol airport and part of it....
Cardiff city centre is badly managed with how new developments have gone up without thinking about transport links and it has made driving a nightmare. However, thinking longer term and committing to improved public transport should be seen as a good thing, especially as Boris set to ban sale of new petrol/diesel from 2030. Frankly, we're about 2 months away from South Wales Valley's being flooded again and, presumably, 2 weeks away from Priti Patel making another speech about how awful people feeling Africa/Asia are so we need to get on top of more extreme weather sooner rather than later.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Talking of the sore point of traffic retrictions and Cardiff City Centre, I tried to drive into town this morning to do some of my regular shopping. I couldn't get in. It was impossible.
I drove done around the bottom intending tp park in the St David Centre. I couldn't get near it. The traffic in Callaghan Square waiting to turn right into Bute St didn't move for 10 minutes.
so I thought I'd go round by the prison, turn left and come in that way. no chance, the traffic waiting to turn left was stationary.
so I drove up by the back of the blind institute, exactly the same.
I ended up going through splott up to the junction with Newport Rd Glossop Terrace. The traffic goin into town was stationary. I ended up going up City road to Gabalfa tesco and then home.
The number of people going into town was ridiculous. I'm a regular shopper there and I have never seen traffic like that on a normal saturday.
2 things spring to mind. If the council gave people easier access to the other car parks and stopped putting up signs suggesting they are no reachable this wouldn't happen.
The second, and in this environment more disturbing, is so many people obviously not doing the least they need to. It was seriously worse than Christmas.
You do realise that when sat in your car in traffic, you are THE traffic?
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
You only need a BOAT in there somewhere, then you could make up a song and call it “Trains and Boats and Planes”
Ah, but is there Paris or Rome flight from Rhoose, but then again that’s for someone else but not for me.
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Originally Posted by
surge
It's partly marketing, everyone I know assumes Bristol's is better no matter how long ago they went to Cardiff or Bristol, part of it is to do with UK government decisions not wanting to devolve certain tax laws to Wales due to harm it could do to Bristol airport and part of it....
Cardiff city centre is badly managed with how new developments have gone up without thinking about transport links and it has made driving a nightmare. However, thinking longer term and committing to improved public transport should be seen as a good thing, especially as Boris set to ban sale of new petrol/diesel from 2030. Frankly, we're about 2 months away from South Wales Valley's being flooded again and, presumably, 2 weeks away from Priti Patel making another speech about how awful people feeling Africa/Asia are so we need to get on top of more extreme weather sooner rather than later.
Cardiff’s main problem is the price.
The low cost carriers at Bristol have just made it unviable.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Talking of the sore point of traffic retrictions and Cardiff City Centre, I tried to drive into town this morning to do some of my regular shopping. I couldn't get in. It was impossible.
I drove done around the bottom intending tp park in the St David Centre. I couldn't get near it. The traffic in Callaghan Square waiting to turn right into Bute St didn't move for 10 minutes.
so I thought I'd go round by the prison, turn left and come in that way. no chance, the traffic waiting to turn left was stationary.
so I drove up by the back of the blind institute, exactly the same.
I ended up going through splott up to the junction with Newport Rd Glossop Terrace. The traffic goin into town was stationary. I ended up going up City road to Gabalfa tesco and then home.
The number of people going into town was ridiculous. I'm a regular shopper there and I have never seen traffic like that on a normal saturday.
2 things spring to mind. If the council gave people easier access to the other car parks and stopped putting up signs suggesting they are no reachable this wouldn't happen.
The second, and in this environment more disturbing, is so many people obviously not doing the least they need to. It was seriously worse than Christmas.
It was chaotic. I had some work to do in Grangetown and thought I'd pop into town to pick up a few things. Queues virtually everywhere despite the damp weather.
I guess it was to be expected, though. There have been local lockdowns for a couple of months, people from outside of Cardiff, like me, have been putting off getting some things until we could get back into Cardiff. Monday was hectic, by all accounts. Today was going to be the same as less people work on the weekend.
I completely failed in my bid to keep a social distance from people because of others. There are arrows on pavements trying to stop people walking through other people. No-one gave a shit.
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I can remember when Cardiff was the larger airport.
Sadly, it’s been left behind.
Bristol has had more extensions than the Allbright pub. It’s still a nasty cramped airport, though - particularly the Border Force Area, which is one big bottleneck.
It’s succeeded because they’ve wrung every last penny out of it.
As another poster said, it has a more affluent catchment, which means it’s not as dependent on the charter market and it's also closer to the rest of the UK than Cardiff, which is always going to be a problem.
As usual, money talks.
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It’s a bit unfair comparing the two airports. Location is the main factor and Cardiff Airport isn’t going to shift. There’s a much vaster population in touching distance of Bristol Airport than Cardiff’s. I’m just glad we’ve got a local airport and I use it whenever possible.
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Eric the Half a Bee
It was chaotic. I had some work to do in Grangetown and thought I'd pop into town to pick up a few things. Queues virtually everywhere despite the damp weather.
I guess it was to be expected, though. There have been local lockdowns for a couple of months, people from outside of Cardiff, like me, have been putting off getting some things until we could get back into Cardiff. Monday was hectic, by all accounts. Today was going to be the same as less people work on the weekend.
I completely failed in my bid to keep a social distance from people because of others. There are arrows on pavements trying to stop people walking through other people. No-one gave a shit.
But the problem is compounded by what the council have done. Anyone coming in from the east gets to the bottom of Queen St and they cannot turn left to go around the back to the car parks in St David's or J Lewis. The road is not officially closed, was not one of the named closed streets but the council put "Stewards" on the junction during the day to prevent access. When I asked one why he said, "We are stopping cars going down to maintain social distancing at Queen St station". I asked him how a car driving past would affect social distancing and he replied, in true nazi fashion, "I'm just doing as I'm told"
So the driver has to go up Dumfries Place round past the city hall, up North Road, down Cardiff road Cathedral road, lower cathedral Road, Care St and Callaghan Square to get to the car park the other way, and the road is logjammed.
Other signs tend to inform a non-city driver that the cannot access the NCP parks in Westgate St or Greyfriars Road although it isn't true, and this compounds the problem still more.
As you say, people coming in to town who haven't been into Cardiff for weeks adds to the chaos.
It was genuinely as bad as I've ever seen it today, far worse than normal christmas mad rush, and we haven't even got to that stage yet.
PS. you are right about the social distancing thing too, a lot of people think if they have a mask on everything else doesn't matter. And the traffic in the city and up the A470 has been as bad this week as it was before March. I can see more lockdown coming if people keep on like this.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Talking of the sore point of traffic retrictions and Cardiff City Centre, I tried to drive into town this morning to do some of my regular shopping. I couldn't get in. It was impossible.
I drove done around the bottom intending tp park in the St David Centre. I couldn't get near it. The traffic in Callaghan Square waiting to turn right into Bute St didn't move for 10 minutes.
so I thought I'd go round by the prison, turn left and come in that way. no chance, the traffic waiting to turn left was stationary.
so I drove up by the back of the blind institute, exactly the same.
I ended up going through splott up to the junction with Newport Rd Glossop Terrace. The traffic goin into town was stationary. I ended up going up City road to Gabalfa tesco and then home.
The number of people going into town was ridiculous. I'm a regular shopper there and I have never seen traffic like that on a normal saturday.
2 things spring to mind. If the council gave people easier access to the other car parks and stopped putting up signs suggesting they are no reachable this wouldn't happen.
The second, and in this environment more disturbing, is so many people obviously not doing the least they need to. It was seriously worse than Christmas.
Wonder if Castle Street being shut contributed to the chaos ?
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BLUETIT
Wonder if Castle Street being shut contributed to the chaos ?
now there's a thing. Why didn't I think of that? :tumbleweed: :hehe:
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BLUETIT
Wonder if Castle Street being shut contributed to the chaos ?
I sat down on the road there today, couldn’t even get a cup of bastard tea!!!!! Outdoor dining be bollocksed:biggrin:
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splott parker
I sat down on the road there today, couldn’t even get a cup of bastard tea!!!!! Outdoor dining be bollocksed:biggrin:
There's the problem tea ??
( No profit in that.)
16 vodka / Red Bull shots served in minutes.
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The Lone Gunman
What a bastard. Imagine a politician being concerned about public money and the environment. Disgraceful.
Indeed all that modernisation? Who needs it .
Anyways they are ploughing millions into other projects such as a modern Cardiff and Valleys transportation system to fit the needs of our Capital City , or should we stay with the pollution of areas from our clogged up roads such as the M4 , A470.
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life on mars
Indeed all that modernisation? Who needs it .
Anyways they are ploughing millions into other projects such as a modern Cardiff and Valleys transportation system to fit the needs of our Capital City , or should we stay with the pollution of areas from our clogged up roads such as the M4 , A470.
The south Wales Metro scheme will make no difference to the difficulty of getting through the tunnels at Malpas tho.
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cityhammer
The south Wales Metro scheme will make no difference to the difficulty of getting through the tunnels at Malpas tho.
Covid 19 has helped this problem enormously. Heading towards the tunnels on Friday afternoon is no longer the headache it once was .
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Glasgow is a big city
With sprawling suburbs
And then there is greater Glasgow
And the central urban belt
And large cities like Edinburgh an hour away
And Dundee, Stirling etc
It serves a big population
Thats why its an international airport , and cardiff isn't
If Bristol Airport didn't exist and cardiff had decent transport links things might be different
But they are not
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Hong Kong airport you can check in and check your bags in the city centre, then only get the train to the airport when it is time to go.
Brilliant you get to see the city instead of being stuck in an airport for hours.
Of course the MTR goes right into the airport.
If we could get something like that going with Cardiff airport it could be a game changer.
You could run direct trains from London even and be at the airport in a couple of hours.
Surely it wouldn't be that difficult to achieve. In the latest Cardiff Metro plans, there is a station called "Cardiff Airport" but I suspect it is just Rhoose station with a crappy bus.
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Travelling to Bristol seems like an endless journey.I much prefer Cardiff.
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dandywarhol
Travelling to Bristol seems like an endless journey. I much prefer Cardiff.
Getting to Bristol Airport isn't that easy if you don't have car or taxi to take you. It's actually easier to get to Birmingham Airport from Cardiff
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life on mars
There's the problem tea ??
( No profit in that.)
16 vodka / Red Bull shots served in minutes.
But remember the rules, you had to order at least £10 worth of food to be allowed alcoholic drinks, and that from one of the participating restaurants, most of which you'd never heard of or wouldn't go to given a choice.