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Yet they busted a bollock to keep the six nations free-to-airQuote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
who did ?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Another reason to bin my Sky package when it finishes. All these different streaming services are a pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
England meanwhile are free on ITV, unless that's due to change as well.
How many more streaming services are there?
Of course they are. Everyone wants to watch good old England don't they, even if they live in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian
Dafuqs Viaplay? And do the FAW only call the national team Cymru now?
Out of interest how long have Uefa dealt with the broadcasting rights??
Some useful info here. The quote of £32 a month is ridiculous https://www.reviewsfire.com/vpn/how-...lay-in-the-uk/
Cymru Wales CymruQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
They won't charge that.Quote:
Originally Posted by fingers
Who did?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Isn’t Six Nations going on to Amazon?
Yes, have done for a while now. It means Wales in WelshQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Free to air broadcastersQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Where's your source?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Why aren't England's games included in this new agreement?
Viaplay well hey.Will there be any porn on there.:sherlock::hehe:
They don't want to be I guess? Presumably Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales do?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Retrograde step in my opinion
I think it would be safe to assume that Viaplay have made a significant bid for these rights. From my limited understanding of TV rights there are two packages up for grabs - WC/Euro qualifiers and Nations League/friendlies. Oddly, in my view, rights for the 4 home nations are awarded on a UK-wide basis, and have been since 2014 when UEFA centralised the bidding process for them.
Sky held the rights to all of Wales, Scotland and N Ireland's games, plus England's Nations League/friendlies package. ITV won the bid for all the England qualifiers. In a recent qualification campaign, Scotland vs England was available on STV but as a result of ITV having the UK-wide rights to England's qualifiers. The rest of the UK have to put up with England games on free-to-air while their country's games are on Sky.
Any broadcaster owning the rights have the right to sell those rights on, as Sky have done with S4C, who pay Sky to show the games in Wales in the medium of Welsh. Sky could, of course, provide its own commentary and not sell on the rights to a free-to-air channel. Amazon did the same last autumn for Welsh rugby internationals.
I would assume that there is significant advertising revenue to be gained when showing England internationals. Channel 4 have won the rights to show England's Nations League games and friendlies from 2024, while qualifiers will continue to be on ITV. I'm just guessing here, but I wouldn't be surprised if the bids from C4 and ITV are high enough for the FA to be happy with in order to keep games on free-to-air TV.
As for the other countries in the UK, they would be of no interest to the commercial free-to-air broadcasters. Nether BBC Wales nor S4C could afford the rights to Wales' games given what the subscribers would be prepared to pay for them, figures substantially lower than the FA would get for England's rights. Would the FAW lose a few million a year just for Welsh games to be on FTA? Of course they wouldn't. Sadly, we can also moan about 6 nations games being on FTA, but they're of far more interest to commercial broadcasters than Welsh football internationals.
What may be interesting is that Viaplay will be able to sell on the rights to our games.
Looks like I’ll be donning my tricorn and setting sail for the high seas. Yo ho it’s a pirates life for me.
Yes and no. You are right that it's interesting, and wholesale arrangements to sell rights is really where the money is made in buying sports rights. Companies that expect to buy a set of rights and exploit that exclusively though direct subscriptions from customers don't stick around for long. If you buy a rights package then you need to get that content to as many people as possible as fast as possible and that is rarely via your own platform- in most cases you need to cut deals with competitors to share, or to bundle your programming into their subscription services.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
But the rights holders don't have carte blanche and the league's and clubs/national football associations have influence. Sky can't just buy the rights to EPL games and license playboy to broadcast it and you can see why not.
So Wales matches come off S4C at the same time that England matches go to C4.
We have to start paying whilst English fans keep getting their games for free.
Cheers then UEFA.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...nations-league
Nothing to do with UEFA. The FAW decides which bid to accept in the same way that the FA decides what bids to accept for England games. For small football associations like ours, the difference of a few million pounds is massive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
Quoting the article linked in the first post of the thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
"The agreement comes through UEFA's centralised National Association media rights sales process, under which UEFA takes sole responsibility for the marketing and sales of broadcast rights for member associations."
But it's still a case of highest bidder wins. Quite clearly Channel 4's bid for England games was higher than anyone else's. I understand both the FAW and SFA are happy with the income they'll be getting from it. Wouldn't have made any difference whether UEFA controlled it or not. Had it not been centralised, I'm sure the football associations on their own would have accepted Viaplay's offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Blaming UEFA is a bit pointless.
Anyone know if this deal starts from the next set of NL and qualifiers and if the PO final still be on s4c?
That’s not how Noel Mooneys response read. He had not seen the contract and it reads asa collective bargaining point on by UEFA on behalf of 55 nations. I’ve not seen a statement anywhere that the FAW were involved in the final process, although they must have signed up to the collective bargaining rights at the outset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
You don't have to always accept the highest bid though. You're right that the FAW might have made the same decision, but they might not have done. They chose to keep our playoff matches at the CCS when they could have tried to squeeze a few extra quid out of them at the PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Yes, a higher bid means more income, but generating and maintaining interest in the game is vital too, and there's great momentum with the national team at the moment. This decision could affect that. Lots of people would say that English cricket shot itself in the foot by accepting Sky's money and taking cricket off free to air TV. Hope I'm wrong though.
I completely agree with everything you've said here and back that sentiment 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Believe me it is not always the highest bid wins. The rights holders have a product and many of them realise that limiting the population that will get to see it has a long term detrimental effect on the value of what they have (or limiting the quality of the broadcast too: imagine selling EPL to a gang with Matterface as lead commentator and gazza as host). Being a new entrant in this market is hard work and bidding more than an established broadcaster is no guarantee of success. It's not just the population issue but also the quality of the packaged product they worry about. A lot. Sports rights is a bizarre business but it is a lot more sophisticated than biggest bid wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Here's the thing, I've spent a lot of time defending the FAWs decision to keep the qualifiers at CCS even though it means restricting the numbers of people that can get tickets. It's effected me personally and a lot of other fans as its genuinely hard to get hold of tickets for the big games but frankly so what. The team benefits massively from playing at CCS and that's the only thing that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
All that being said, if games are no longer free tonair then that's a massive problem. At a time when the cost of living is sky rocketing and even Netflix can't keep hold of subscribers, putting a fairly niche sporting event behind a pay wall is unforgivable and aslo incredibly short termist.
Just look at Test cricket. After one of the best and most watched ashes series of all time in 2005, the ECB could have used it as a springboard to massively increase viewing and participation in cricket but instead they took a quick buck from Sky. Wales is going through arguably the best football period in its history and we need to capitalise on this by making the game as accessible to young people as possible. We are a small nation and one in which football faces massive competition from another sport at grass roots level. It makes this decision look so short sighted
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...could-23859111
FAW chief Neil Mooney says decision yet to be made on who broadcasts Wales matches between 2022-24, with games after that already committed to a paid-for new streaming service.
Losing Test Cricket from terrestrial TV was a massive own goal. Yes, the £££ roll in, but what's the point when it loses geniune fan appeal. In the end this and otherr events just become TV entertainment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardiff Ultra