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The Elephant In The Room
'The Knee'
Point made and of course BLM but time to move on, how much longer?
Please dont reply with any racism, or accusations of. It's a genuine question.
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
'The Knee'
Point made and of course BLM but time to move on, how much longer?
Please dont reply with any racism, or accusations of. It's a genuine question.
^^^^ This
Are we seriously going to take a knee before every match / sporting event ? ? ?
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
'The Knee'
time to move on
is racism fixed then?
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I agree its like the nhs clap.
Time to stop it as it will loose its meaning and end up a chore
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delmbox
is racism fixed then?
My bad, sorry I didn't know this had to be done until racism is fixed. Where does it say that ?
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it doesn't detract from any of the sporting events so I don't mind if it carries on for as long as they want to keep doing it
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
My bad, sorry I didn't know this had to be done until racism is fixed. Where does it say that ?
Everywhere really, the entire movement is about drawing attention to systematic racism so that changes can happen, none of which has happened yet.
Of course, another way of looking at it is that yes yes we've done our little flurry of pretending to care now let's go back to normal, up you get lads, point's been made, time to move on
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
'The Knee'
Point made and of course BLM but time to move on, how much longer?
Please dont reply with any racism, or accusations of. It's a genuine question.
Why does it bother you?
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Also, it's "taking a knee". This is not ****ing Game Of Thrones.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Everywhere really, the entire movement is about drawing attention to systematic racism so that changes can happen, none of which has happened yet.
Of course, another way of looking at it is that yes yes we've done our little flurry of pretending to care now let's go back to normal, up you get lads, point's been made, time to move on
So, it doesn't say that anywhere does it ? ie: "Sports people must take the knee until, racism is fixed". Your disrespect to the actions by sportsmen and the like with their 'little flurry of pretending to care' speaks volumes. I'm not racist and nor are you, you just have a different opinion on whether this should continue, but your suggestion that this should be obligatory until racism is fixed, is simply your opinion and of course others, I have a different opinion, also along with others.
Your original reply (an edit of my original post) is akin to a television interview being edited just to display wrong doing or guilt to a party.
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
So, it doesn't say that anywhere does it ? ie: "Sports people must take the knee until, racism is fixed". Your disrespect to the actions by sportsmen and the like with their 'little flurry of pretending to care' speaks volumes. I'm not racist and nor are you, you just have a different opinion on whether this should continue, but your suggestion that this should be obligatory until racism is fixed, is simply your opinion and of course others, I have a different opinion, also along with others.
Your original reply (an edit of my original post) is akin to a television interview being edited just to display wrong doing or guilt to a party.
My view is that if you believe there is injustice you have a choice to be silent or not about it. Athletes have a platform and they’re choosing to say something or be seen even when sport isn’t televised. NYC made a point in another thread that made it sound that it was only appropriate to make a stand if you have a platform. I disagree with that and choose to be visible with my opposition to injustice every day. I’m happy to be challenged publicly on it... in fact I welcome it
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I love it when anti establishment liberal values of truth , justice and defiance get in the mainstream
Taking the knee I hope goes on , if it doesn't I hope see the raised fist of opposition to oppression and discrimination of colour , race , sexuality
Refuse , Resist
Football is a global sport with mass coverage and loads of money , its great that so many players are carrying on with the protest
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
So, it doesn't say that anywhere does it ? ie: "Sports people must take the knee until, racism is fixed". Your disrespect to the actions by sportsmen and the like with their 'little flurry of pretending to care' speaks volumes. I'm not racist and nor are you, you just have a different opinion on whether this should continue, but your suggestion that this should be obligatory until racism is fixed, is simply your opinion and of course others, I have a different opinion, also along with others.
Your original reply (an edit of my original post) is akin to a television interview being edited just to display wrong doing or guilt to a party.
That's a bit it dramatic isn't it, considering your original post was 3 posts above and literally everyone in the thread would have read it.
Also I was talking about you with the "little flurry of pretending to care" not the sportsmen. You just want things to get back to normal, because for you normal is totally fine. The whole point of BLM is to highlight the fact that "normal" isn't fine for a lot of people and that if we continue to ignore that we're perpetuating racism.
You might not be racist in the sense that you dislike, look down or wish ill on black people but wanting things to go back to normal, protests to stop etc and saying stuff like "point made, of course blm but time to move on" doesn't paint you in a very sympathetic light.
Rather than ask the slightly trite question that I asked maybe I should have just asked this one - why have YOU decided it's time to move on? What's happened? Or is it that you don't want to see it anymore and want things to get back to how you want them to be?
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
My view is that if you believe there is injustice you have a choice to be silent or not about it. Athletes have a platform and they’re choosing to say something or be seen even when sport isn’t televised. NYC made a point in another thread that made it sound that it was only appropriate to make a stand if you have a platform. I disagree with that and choose to be visible with my opposition to injustice every day. I’m happy to be challenged publicly on it... in fact I welcome it
The point I was trying to make was aimed specifically at taking a knee and being seen/heard. I think everyone should do what they can to end injustice.
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delmbox
That's a bit it dramatic isn't it, considering your original post was 3 posts above and literally everyone in the thread would have read it.
Also I was talking about you with the "little flurry of pretending to care" not the sportsmen. You just want things to get back to normal, because for you normal is totally fine. The whole point of BLM is to highlight the fact that "normal" isn't fine for a lot of people and that if we continue to ignore that we're perpetuating racism.
You might not be racist in the sense that you dislike, look down or wish ill on black people but wanting things to go back to normal, protests to stop etc and saying stuff like "point made, of course blm but time to move on" doesn't paint you in a very sympathetic light.
Rather than ask the slightly trite question that I asked maybe I should have just asked this one - why have YOU decided it's time to move on? What's happened? Or is it that you don't want to see it anymore and want things to get back to how you want them to be?
WOW.... You could pick a fight in an empty room. Just for you, here you go:
I dont have a racist bone in my body, the fact that you cast that sort of aspersion disgusts me.
My post was about my opinion, inviting the opinion of others on Taking A Knee Continuing, NOT RACISM CONTINUING, but that didn't fit in with your agenda.
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
The point I was trying to make was aimed specifically at taking a knee and being seen/heard. I think everyone should do what they can to end injustice.
👍.... you don’t strike me as the silent type
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I see no reason to stop doing it until it's stopped having an impact or the message is forgotten. That of course will inevitably happen and to continue with it after that would be pointless. But when that day come I'd hope we could find another suitable gesture or message with the same initial impact.
I think that's where England cricket fell down. Fine to stop taking a knee but you they must continue to proactively address the ongoing issues.
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PhyllisStant
I see no reason to stop doing it until it's stopped having an impact or the message is forgotten. That of course will inevitably happen and to continue with it after that would be pointless. But when that day come I'd hope we could find another suitable gesture or message with the same initial impact.
I think that's where England cricket fell down. Fine to stop taking a knee but you they must continue to proactively address the ongoing issues.
Well said Phyllis, I just can't understand why it would bug anyone. If for some weird reason someone didn't like it they could always go and make a cup of tea just before the match starts.
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
'The Knee'
Point made and of course BLM but time to move on, how much longer?
Please dont reply with any racism, or accusations of. It's a genuine question.
It's been politically highjacked, wait for the onslaught .
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I love it when anti establishment liberal values of truth , justice and defiance get in the mainstream
Taking the knee I hope goes on , if it doesn't I hope see the raised fist of opposition to oppression and discrimination of colour , race , sexuality
Refuse , Resist
Football is a global sport with mass coverage and loads of money , its great that so many players are carrying on with the protest
100% this.
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Love it.
Discrimination whether based upon race,gender, caste, religion, region, language, education or lineage has been with us since the dawn of time but a few overpaid entitled athletes is going to turn it on its head.
It will all stop after the US election, this rose its head exactly four years ago. Need to make sure your base turn up.
Sky is owned by the same corporation who own NBC..... Not sure id there is a link there with all the fuss over QPR not doing it.
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Originally Posted by
llan bluebird
Love it.
It will all stop after the US election
I hope not.
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
WOW.... You could pick a fight in an empty room. Just for you, here you go:
I dont have a racist bone in my body, the fact that you cast that sort of aspersion disgusts me.
My post was about my opinion, inviting the opinion of others on Taking A Knee Continuing, NOT RACISM CONTINUING, but that didn't fit in with your agenda.
You said the point's been made and it's time to move on from the taking the knee, I asked you what's changed to make you think it's time to move on :shrug:
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Originally Posted by
Peajay
'The Knee'
Point made and of course BLM but time to move on, how much longer?
Please dont reply with any racism, or accusations of. It's a genuine question.
I don't know whether you intended this but your post comes across like: "You've had your hissy fit. Noted. Now stop and let's get back to the 'normal' I expect".
The way I see taking the knee is it is a constant reminder that things are not "fixed" and long may it continue as a reminder until they are.
The folks who should determine if they're fixed are the oppressed minorities.
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Would it therefore be reasonable to stop having 1 or 2 minutes‘ silence for Remembrance Day, since one could argue that point has been made?
Personally, I can’t see why some people have such a problem with taking a/the knee.
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Taking the knee or rather NOT taking the knee will inevitably become being seen as a statement in its own right. It has become politicised just like wearing a poppy on/near Armistice Day. Notice how everyone who appears on TV news programmes from early November on will be wearing one, as not wearing one may be interpreted as being uncaring or unpatriotic.
The best way to stamp out racism is not to become a racist.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Everywhere really, the entire movement is about drawing attention to systematic racism so that changes can happen, none of which has happened yet.
Of course, another way of looking at it is that yes yes we've done our little flurry of pretending to care now let's go back to normal, up you get lads, point's been made, time to move on
But it turns bad when people get slagged off if they don't do it. It should be a personal thing, not something that someone 'has to do' to avoid getting pilloried in the press or social media.
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Gofer Blue
The best way to stamp out racism is not to become a racist.
Nope that’s wrong if you’re just not racist yourself it isn’t enough. You need to be anti racist or other racists will just be able to get away with it. You need to call out casual racism, you need to be pro taking a knee. This message needs to get across.
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
^^^^ This
Are we seriously going to take a knee before every match / sporting event ? ? ?
Thick ****
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
But it turns bad when people get slagged off if they don't do it. It should be a personal thing, not something that someone 'has to do' to avoid getting pilloried in the press or social media.
Funny that people that think this are the ones who would slag anyone who doesn’t wear a poppy off isn’t it.
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Why does taking a knee bother so many middle aged white blokes? I'm presuming most people on here are middle aged and white. I can't see any harm in supporting a cause or supporting your team mates in their cause. It baffles me why so many people get upset by it. Genuinely.
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Reading had eight black players in their starting line up today. Most clubs have a number of black lads in their squads these days. So it’s hardly surprising if teams want to spend a few seconds before a game taking the knee because racism is still rife in this country.
I’m fine with it and am baffled why some seem to get so worked up about it.
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Croesy Blue
Funny that people that think this are the ones who would slag anyone who doesn’t wear a poppy off isn’t it.
How do you know that they are?
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xsnaggle
How do you know that they are?
Can only speak personally
I am not friends with these people but where I live there are lots of people out selling poppies , all there for remembrance day and you read their Facebook feeds and its vote brexit , let's look after our soldiers before immigrants , white lives matter , all lives matter , one bloke locally dresses up with his mace and has done for years to honor the fallen then a few days later hes saying share this if you think all lives matter , bollocks about Enoch Powell and rivers of blood and he gets loads of thumbs up from people posting exactly the same rule Brittania bullshit . Black people and this protest are no threat to him . Where I live there are a few black and mixed race people and some black and mixed race kids and school kids . But for this bloke his most likely encounter with anyone black apart from the small number of black people who live in this town would be to go 14 miles in cardiff and walk round the docks , grange , canton Riverside or just go shopping walk along Queen Street a few times and he would plenty of black people . But this bloke lives in a town probably 99 percent white , And he rarely leaves . He just rants on Facebook and he's a racist . And there are loads of people like him and they are racists too . No pissing about , these people sometimes let slip with the odd comment but when anything crops up that stirs their prehistoric views , out comes the racism . Which of course they deny . But those of us locally who don't think like that know the score .
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blue matt
^^^^ This
Are we seriously going to take a knee before every match / sporting event ? ? ?
A good cause but every game? I didn’t know that....Truly bizarre now
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For me there are two issues, firstly I think football is better off being non political so don't endorse or oppose any causes, that's not to say we don't tackle racism within the game we just don't support political groups like BLM.
Secondly taking the knee is an american protest let them get on with it. If our society had anything about them we should have been out on the streets over the Windrush scandal or when Smiley culture was stabbed to death allegedly his own doing.
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delmbox
You said the point's been made and it's time to move on from the taking the knee, I asked you what's changed to make you think it's time to move on :shrug:
Time for both of us to be adult on this and agree to disagree, from this thread and those that have contributed it would seem that I'm in the minority in thinking it should stop, but that of course isn't necessarily a true reflection of generic opinion.
What is disappointing is those that want to slate others, including me for having a different opinion. I think we are all in unison on wanting racism to stop, but my opinion is that taking a knee has shown the support, care and empathy that every one has for anti racism and BLM but what I don't believe is taking a knee on an on going basis will fix, or have any influence on racism continuing.
I also understand that others have the opposite opinion. Maybe others contributing to this thread (if any) could give their opinion on why it should or shouldn't continue without turning this in to a 'mud slinging' and therefore respecting differing opinions. I was guilty and naive of not outlining my thoughts behind my comments in my original post.
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Peajay
Time for both of us to be adult on this and agree to disagree, from this thread and those that have contributed it would seem that I'm in the minority in thinking it should stop, but that of course isn't necessarily a true reflection of generic opinion.
What is disappointing is those that want to slate others, including me for having a different opinion. I think we are all in unison on wanting racism to stop, but my opinion is that taking a knee has shown the support, care and empathy that every one has for anti racism and BLM but what I don't believe is taking a knee on an on going basis will fix, or have any influence on racism continuing.
I also understand that others have the opposite opinion. Maybe others contributing to this thread (if any) could give their opinion on why it should or shouldn't continue without turning this in to a 'mud slinging' and therefore respecting differing opinions. I was guilty and naive of not outlining my thoughts behind my comments in my original post.
don't be daft mate , you are obviously not a racist , just have a different view on tackling things , post away
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Originally Posted by
Whisperer
For me there are two issues, firstly I think football is better off being non political so don't endorse or oppose any causes, that's not to say we don't tackle racism within the game we just don't support political groups like BLM.
Secondly taking the knee is an american protest let them get on with it. If our society had anything about them we should have been out on the streets over the Windrush scandal or when Smiley culture was stabbed to death allegedly his own doing.
again I can respect this view even if I don't agree with it
Clearly not a racist
Sadly a lot of the all lives matter gang are
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SLUDGE FACTORY
again I can respect this view even if I don't agree with it
Clearly not a racist
Sadly a lot of the all lives matter gang are
Care to explain a bit more Sludge ?