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Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?
When the kids were young in the early 90's I used to drive down regularly to NP. We've all been down since but as they've grown up, got married, had kids it's been more difficult and less frequent and my youngest who was the keenest Bluebird emigrated down under.
I've been down without them many times in the interim but we have a chance in December to come down a bit like the old days and this time with the grandkids. However watching games of late I can honestly admit to having lost the passion to come to the CCS and watch some pretty tasteless football. Do I really want to bring everyone down to see what's currently on the plate?
Really sad when reflecting on the good times and what's happening now.
I also switched on some of the PL stuff today and couldn't get into it at all.
Football is in crisis.
Understandably Covid has made football very difficult from a business standpoint but I really hope that there will be a change at the CCS to make us a bit more appealing.
TIB
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Being hoofed about above our heads and kicked 70 yards down channels in a game of kick and chase.
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Do it, sounds a good opportunity to reminisce and make some new memories with the grandkids.
Most of the city experience over the years is good in spite of the football.
Come expecting a cure for insomnia for the 90 and if it's any better then that's a bonus.
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Once you are asked who do you support and you say Cardiff City .......even though we are crap , you know you are on the right tracks
Bluebirds
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Once you are asked who do you support and you say Cardiff City .......even though we are crap , you know you are on the right tracks
Bluebirds
Just come back from Benidorm where the universal attitude when Cardiff was mentioned was "you should be paid to watch it"
Never mind its better than the dungeon days.:facepalm:
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Like we are the only team that has been through some bad times.
Get a grip ffs.
Get behind your team and be a supporter of Cardiff City football club :ayatollah:
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MacAdder
Like we are the only team that has been through some bad times.
Get a grip ffs.
Get behind your team and be a supporter of Cardiff City football club :ayatollah:
I do support them when they are playing. As I am sure most on here do .
This is the place to come and vent our frustrations about the style and lack of ambition or foresight.
Thats if its ok with you and one or two others?
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We played some of the best stuff i’ve ever seen down the City under Dave Jones, but he still got slated from his hole to his pole, because he didn’t ‘smile’ enough.
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Taffy Blue in Berkshire
Football is in crisis.
Football is in crisis because City are shit at the moment?
I'm guessing it will survive.....
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William Treseder
We played some of the best stuff i’ve ever seen down the City under Dave Jones, but he still got slated from his hole to his pole, because he didn’t ‘smile’ enough.
Baffled me , we had just drawn with Reading away in the play offs. The guy next to me was going ballistic because Dave Jones hadnt come over and danced with the supporters.
great football with a bit of a soft centre . Thoroughly enjoyable.
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MacAdder
Like we are the only team that has been through some bad times.
Get a grip ffs.
Get behind your team and be a supporter of Cardiff City football club :ayatollah:
Bluebirds !
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Jimmy the Jock
Just come back from Benidorm where the universal attitude when Cardiff was mentioned was "you should be paid to watch it"
Never mind its better than the dungeon days.:facepalm:
From Benidorm fans ?
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Jimmy the Jock
Just come back from Benidorm where the universal attitude when Cardiff was mentioned was "you should be paid to watch it"
Never mind its better than the dungeon days.:facepalm:
It most certainly is
A big crowd back then was about 6000
We would take 2 coaches away , one half full
We were getting beaten by s cunthorpe and crewe , regularly
We got beaten at home by Wrexham in front of 1900 fans
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I don't like the experience of watching football in the CCS as much as I did at NP.
Also, entirely objectively, Tan is bit of a kunt. And his idea of an enjoyable product is different to mine, let's say.
Nevermind. Keep an eye out for the scores and hope for better times ahead. Give it another decade or so though.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
It most certainly is
A big crowd back then was about 6000
We would take 2 coaches away , one half full
We were getting beaten by s cunthorpe and crewe , regularly
We got beaten at home by Wrexham in front of 1900 fans
Depends what "dungeon days" you are talking about really. Glory in League Two tastes as good as it does in the championship.
Same goes for shit football.
Sounded like there was 2k there on Saturday. 2k miserable, grumbly feckers sounds very similar 20k miserable, grumbly feckers.
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MacAdder
Like we are the only team that has been through some bad times.
Get a grip ffs.
Get behind your team and be a supporter of Cardiff City football club :ayatollah:
We can all have an opinion.
Get a grip yourself.
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Divine Wright
Depends what "dungeon days" you are talking about really. Glory in League Two tastes as good as it does in the championship.
Same goes for shit football.
Sounded like there was 2k there on Saturday. 2k miserable, grumbly feckers sounds very similar 20k miserable, grumbly feckers.
Most of them are on here
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SLUDGE FACTORY
It most certainly is
A big crowd back then was about 6000
We would take 2 coaches away , one half full
We were getting beaten by s cunthorpe and crewe , regularly
We got beaten at home by Wrexham in front of 1900 fans
Utterly irrelevant to our current situation.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Utterly irrelevant to our current situation.
Well it's utterly relevant as the poster talked about watching ccfc in the 1990s , a time when we were complete crap most of the time
So I am sorry but you are incorrect
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well it's utterly relevant as the poster talked about watching ccfc in the 1990s , a time when we were complete crap most of the time
So I am sorry but you are incorrect
You’re right, of course: crap then and crap now. Nothing has changed except the wage bill and the division we play in!
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We are proper rubbish, really bad.
Absolutely Fcking terrible in fact...but the amount of Knicker Wetting is worse than the Football.
Our fans have become a bunch of “Waitrose types”
Right bunch of fcking herberts!!!
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Wash DC Blue
We are proper rubbish, really bad.
Absolutely Fcking terrible in fact...but the amount of Knicker Wetting is worse than the Football.
Our fans have become a bunch of “Waitrose types”
Right bunch of fcking herberts!!!
Sludge talks as if supporting City should be like a lifetime spent in purgatory, are you saying you agree with him?
For far too long on the pitch and for the last few months off it, City have traded very heavily on the notion that you cannot change your football club once you have one because they have been treating their customers like shit.
On the football front, we’re expected to turn up without complaint to watch football that was considered very basic in the eighties - all over the country, there are clubs that play, progressive, entertaining football, but in this part of South Wales, we’re stuck with a club that wants to be the new Wimbledon. Their style of play worked for them because they were good at it and, as a tiny club, when they came into the Football League, it worked for them to the extent that they enjoyed success they couldn’t have dreamed of if they’d played “normal” football, what’s our excuse?
Someone said that the crowd were disinterested on Saturday, I disagree, I think the club and team are lucky that they are still getting support of a quality they don’t deserve - City crowds through most of my time supporting the club would have turned by now if they had to put up with what the modern day fan does, we’re being taken for granted.
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the other bob wilson
Sludge talks as if supporting City should be like a lifetime spent in purgatory, are you saying you agree with him?
For far too long on the pitch and for the last few months off it, City have traded very heavily on the notion that you cannot change your football club once you have one because they have been treating their customers like shit.
On the football front, we’re expected to turn up without complaint to watch football that was considered very basic in the eighties - all over the country, there are clubs that play, progressive, entertaining football, but in this part of South Wales, we’re stuck with a club that wants to be the new Wimbledon. Their style of play worked for them because they were good at it and, as a tiny club, when they came into the Football League, it worked for them to the extent that they enjoyed success they couldn’t have dreamed of if they’d played “normal” football, what’s our excuse?
Someone said that the crowd were disinterested on Saturday, I disagree, I think the club and team are lucky that they are still getting support of a quality they don’t deserve - City crowds through most of my time supporting the club would have turned by now if they had to put up with what the modern day fan does, we’re being taken for granted.
When you say ‘turned by now’, do you mean voting with their feet?
For as long as i can remember, i’ve never been more that 6ft away from a City fan at a game that isn’t fecking moaning about some aspect of the performance, even when we’re winning.
Maybe the standard of players has dropped off?
Last seasons championship was of a woeful standard. Norwich pissed it, but haven't won a game back in the top flight.
Far to many bang average players are getting top dollar now, and are’t worth it.
Too many negative and limited managers in the game as well.
It’s a minefield getting the balance right.
When i was a kid, West Ham played some of the most attractive football in the too flight, but got nowhere near winning it.
Kevin Keegan's Newcastle played some scintillating stuff, and got with in a whisker, but still won the middle of a doughnut.
Plenty of City fans didn’t give a hoot that we we’re boring under MM the season we went up.
Plenty of City fans moaned like **** the season we lost to Blackpool in the play off final although we played some great stuff that season.
Is there an answer to this conundrum?
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the other bob wilson
Sludge talks as if supporting City should be like a lifetime spent in purgatory, are you saying you agree with him?
For far too long on the pitch and for the last few months off it, City have traded very heavily on the notion that you cannot change your football club once you have one because they have been treating their customers like shit.
On the football front, we’re expected to turn up without complaint to watch football that was considered very basic in the eighties - all over the country, there are clubs that play, progressive, entertaining football, but in this part of South Wales, we’re stuck with a club that wants to be the new Wimbledon. Their style of play worked for them because they were good at it and, as a tiny club, when they came into the Football League, it worked for them to the extent that they enjoyed success they couldn’t have dreamed of if they’d played “normal” football, what’s our excuse?
Someone said that the crowd were disinterested on Saturday, I disagree, I think the club and team are lucky that they are still getting support of a quality they don’t deserve - City crowds through most of my time supporting the club would have turned by now if they had to put up with what the modern day fan does, we’re being taken for granted.
our first seasons as a family were in the lower leagues and sat in the family stand at np. the atmosphere was great for kids and we had players like leggy, lfw, ernie etc. there was a magic and the kids loved it which is one reason we drove down to see the match and visit family. the football wasn't amazing but we saw goals and got the feeling the players cared.
i've been watching city since the late 60's and sadly for me the buzz has gone and watching the coventry game summed it up.
i'd love to bring my grandsons down to see something worthwhile.
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I think it is caused by a lot of factors but for many football is not how it was.
The move from Ninian Park to the new ground, while needed, lost a lot of character and sanitised the whole experience for many. Some might have welcomed it but it changed the actual match experience for many including myself.
Football has changed, a lot of the aspects I enjoyed have gone out of the game. The meaty challenge, the midfield tussle where players got stuck into one another. I dislike aspects of the game now for the same reason I've never enjoyed watching friendlies. It is like a non contact sport and becoming increasingly so.
There seems a lack of connection between the fans and players that there was. The current team seems a world away from some of the players mentioned here. Your Earnie's, Ledley's and the like. Can't put my finger on why but they just seem disconnected from the fans in a way that wouldn't happen before.
The owners, while still being here, seem to be disinterested and running things on a shoe string while still expecting fans to turn up and give 100% our end just through blind loyalty.
All the above with the pandemic thrown in and people realising that there are things outside of football that they could be doing. I don't think you are the only one who feels less of a buzz about the whole thing.
If that makes me a bed wetter, a Jack or a bed wetting Jack I don't care. I'm not going to say the football is great, the owners and board are clued up or the matchday experience is top notch because it is simply not the case.
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William Treseder
We played some of the best stuff i’ve ever seen down the City under Dave Jones, but he still got slated from his hole to his pole, because he didn’t ‘smile’ enough.
I slated Jones because I thought he was tactically poor. A constant weak central midfield 2 and a squad not fit enough who ultimately continued to fall short.
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Hilts
I slated Jones because I thought he was tactically poor. A constant weak central midfield 2 and a squad not fit enough who ultimately continued to fall short.
Weak central midfield two. 😀
It would be like prime Pirlo and Zidane to have a Jones midfield in comparison to what we have now.
Still we'll stay up and that is success to some.
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blue lewj
I think it is caused by a lot of factors but for many football is not how it was.
The move from Ninian Park to the new ground, while needed, lost a lot of character and sanitised the whole experience for many. Some might have welcomed it but it changed the actual match experience for many including myself.
Football has changed, a lot of the aspects I enjoyed have gone out of the game. The meaty challenge, the midfield tussle where players got stuck into one another. I dislike aspects of the game now for the same reason I've never enjoyed watching friendlies. It is like a non contact sport and becoming increasingly so.
There seems a lack of connection between the fans and players that there was. The current team seems a world away from some of the players mentioned here. Your Earnie's, Ledley's and the like. Can't put my finger on why but they just seem disconnected from the fans in a way that wouldn't happen before.
The owners, while still being here, seem to be disinterested and running things on a shoe string while still expecting fans to turn up and give 100% our end just through blind loyalty.
All the above with the pandemic thrown in and people realising that there are things outside of football that they could be doing. I don't think you are the only one who feels less of a buzz about the whole thing.
If that makes me a bed wetter, a Jack or a bed wetting Jack I don't care. I'm not going to say the football is great, the owners and board are clued up or the matchday experience is top notch because it is simply not the case.
The picture of our fans celebrating with our 3 young players Harris Colwill and Bagan at Forest (of course youve suggested some or all of these are simply not good enough) shows there is a connection with the fans.
Its hard to dispute the football is sh!t but you have a downer on just about everything.
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Hilts
The picture of our fans celebrating with our 3 young players Harris Colwill and Bagan at Forest (of course youve suggested some or all of these are simply not good enough) shows there is a connection with the fans.
Its hard to dispute the football is sh!t but you have a downer on just about everything.
I've given my reasoning behind it.
I don't think an academy that doesn't produce players for the first team suddenly starts doing because those above demand it. That's not how these things work but you obviously disagree. Makes you wonder why we didn't do it sooner if it was that easy.
The football is bad, the owner can't be bothered to turn up and is running us on a shoe string with his people and not a football man in sight and people are now saying survival in the Championship is success a little over two seasons after being in the Premier League. I truly am gobsmacked at those that paint a rosy picture out of that but fair play to them.
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I asked in another thread but people chose not to answer. What have we changed in the academy for it to now be producing such a glut of players when for years it produced nothing?
Or is the truth closer to the board saying we have to use the kids because we are not giving you the money for new signings?
If people can work out that academies do not start churning out Championship level players time and again overnight but we're forced to use them anyway then what happens is a gradual fall down the league.
Our manager building up Bournemouth as if Real Madrid had rolled into town may be managing expectations in view of this.
People can believe what they like. Nothing wrong with positivity but blind positivity and not seeing things for what they are is something different. I know what I think is going on.
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Jimmy the Jock
Just come back from Benidorm where the universal attitude when Cardiff was mentioned was "you should be paid to watch it"
Never mind its better than the dungeon days.:facepalm:
Oh well if they're saying that in Benidorm that's the final nail for me
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blue lewj
I asked in another thread but people chose not to answer. What have we changed in the academy for it to now be producing such a glut of players when for years it produced nothing?
Or is the truth closer to the board saying we have to use the kids because we are not giving you the money for new signings?
If people can work out that academies do not start churning out Championship level players time and again overnight but we're forced to use them anyway then what happens is a gradual fall down the league.
Our manager building up Bournemouth as if Real Madrid had rolled into town may be managing expectations in view of this.
People can believe what they like. Nothing wrong with positivity but blind positivity and not seeing things for what they are is something different. I know what I think is going on.
Academy:
i) Think I'm right in saying this is the group of kids that were very successful at youth level. Others will be able to answer better but didn't we have a youth side competing near the top of their table a few years ago (which we haven't always had) and now we're seeing them come through?
ii) Neil Harris was vocal about creating pathway for youth to first team, Steve Morrison has been a permanent fixture since, the style of play is reportedly now more similar creating and easier transition and 1.5 years later that greater interest in pathway is coming to fruition.
iii) We have a greater interest in youth because a) we need to because of cost cutting and b) it suits our overall vision for the club - younger and more skillful and, presumably, more sustainable without Tan constantly propping us up.
Bournemouth comments:
i) We've got the smallest squad in the division according to Transfer Markt, had played Sunday, Wednesday and Saturday, had at least three first team players out to injuries/covid/need to rest and were playing one of the three sides everyone expects to finish in the top two. Now of course being in that position isn't positive but moaning about an honest comment is boring - it's not unrealistic to identify that it was a tough challenge.
Nothing wrong with negativity but blind negativity and not seeing things for what they are is something different.
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blue lewj
I asked in another thread but people chose not to answer. What have we changed in the academy for it to now be producing such a glut of players when for years it produced nothing?
Or is the truth closer to the board saying we have to use the kids because we are not giving you the money for new signings?
If people can work out that academies do not start churning out Championship level players time and again overnight but we're forced to use them anyway then what happens is a gradual fall down the league.
Our manager building up Bournemouth as if Real Madrid had rolled into town may be managing expectations in view of this.
People can believe what they like. Nothing wrong with positivity but blind positivity and not seeing things for what they are is something different. I know what I think is going on.
Academies rarely produce finished championship level players. Almost all of them need playing time at a good level in order to reach that level. We've thrown in a bunch of inexperienced players in the last 18 months or so and none of them have looked completely out of place. Will they all spend the majority of their career at this level or higher? no probably not - but a couple of them might.
If we hadn't started to introduce them into the team then probably none of them would ever make it at this level.
There are probably young players in previous academy groups that could have made it but never had the opportunity.
Other clubs in this division have had a pathway to the first team for years, we are just putting in place what should always have been there.
Now we can attract good players to the academy, and the intensity in academy games is probably higher as thy know if they perform well there's a chance they'll get into the first team.
Yes we have almost certainly done this out of necessity rather than lofty ambitions, but it is a good thing to be doing so lets see where it goes .
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Oh well if they're saying that in Benidorm that's the final nail for me
I think most clubs do their market research in benidorm. That's the best way to get a finger on the pulse.
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It does feel a little like we are seeing the fruits of years of football corporatism, fans being disregarded and taken for granted, coupled now with a totally disingenuous PR movement within football that doesnt relate or consider fans much, and just leads a bitter taste in the mouth.
I felt it at the Barnsley game; huge queues, my kid being unable to buy a programme with coins, naff atmosphere, all of it. Even not having a paper ticket - i wanted one for me and my kids for the first game after Covid. City means more than going to Primark or Burger King, but we are just treated like someone with an app attached to us. It's hard to put into words, but there is very little soul, although I'm sure thats an age thing too.
After covid, the wages players earn just seem obscene and genuinely offensive in a way they never were before too. Don't get me wrong, footballers deserve to be paid handsomely and I'd rather they pay tax in the UK than in Spain etc, but £500,000 a week? Even shite City players on £20,000 a week. Seriously, piss off.
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It does feel a little like we are seeing the fruits of years of football corporatism, fans being disregarded and taken for granted, coupled now with a totally disingenuous PR movement within football that doesnt relate or consider fans much, and just leads a bitter taste in the mouth.
I felt it at the Barnsley game; huge queues, my kid being unable to buy a programme with coins, naff atmosphere, all of it. Even not having a paper ticket - i wanted one for me and my kids for the first game after Covid. City means more than going to Primark or Burger King, but we are just treated like someone with an app attached to us. It's hard to put into words, but there is very little soul, although I'm sure thats an age thing too.
After covid, the wages players earn just seem obscene and genuinely offensive in a way they never were before too. Don't get me wrong, footballers deserve to be paid handsomely and I'd rather they pay tax in the UK than in Spain etc, but £500,000 a week? Even shite City players on £20,000 a week. Seriously, piss off.
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Thing is those dismissing these posts as just moaning is the exact reason fans walk away from the game.
A decent club sees the increasing moans and tries to address them.
Your club who is not in touch with the fans, like City are currently, carries on and alienates people more and more.
If your customers are unhappy with the product (leaving the football out of it for a second) then you listen or pay the price of not doing so.
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Oh well if they're saying that in Benidorm that's the final nail for me
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tbf, I acknowledged it may be an age thing. My little kids think it's magic.
Nonetheless, if the club just treat me as a customer., as someone that comes with a phone and an app, and I feel exploited then I won't go. Or i wont go as much.
The irony is, not only are we treated like customers, but in many cases we are treated worse than almost any other customer experience.
Asda's cafe provides meals for £1 for the kids. Cardiff ring as much out of a pint as they can.
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The glimmer of hope for better days came towards the end on the Bournemouth match when Bagan and Colwill's interplay showed that we can string a few passes together and pose a threat. This season was always going to be one of transition as younger players are grafted onto an older team. That doesn't excuse poor customer service and "hoof it to Kieffer" one track approach to the way we play. Right now, it's a case of going through the motions to attend matches. No excitement leads to lack of motivation. For the first time in a long time, there were empty seats by us in the Canton 104. Seats that are always occupied. And that does not bode well. Lack of communicated ambition (if there is any) and direction, from the club management, adds to the "why bother going" feeling. That said, Blackburn awaits. Some of us are daft enough to turn up come what may.
