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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Nelsonca61
I was kinda agreeing with you!!!
Never mind that! What's this cruise lark?
I'm afraid to tell you you've been added to the monikers included in my little black book under the heading of Suspected Tory Voters.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
Never mind that! What's this cruise lark?
I'm afraid to tell you you've been added to the monikers included in my little black book under the heading of Suspected Tory Voters.
The cruise is my birfy treat, nothing plush after last years escape down under, just a week on the med, although couldn't manage the actual date, so will be a few weeks after.
Regarding Tory voting, never, never, never, I've avoided all my life, and now as a non-voter i will retire to meet my maker with a clean soul.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
New updated coronavirus numbers: total dead, 1,100+; total deaths during the past 24 hours, 93.
I wish I could find a collated world total of how many people have croaked since yesterday after falling down stairs, choking on their own vomit and, well, numerous other reasons all of which would dwarf 93.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
Thanks for that. I only wish you posted it earlier as a response instead of agreeing with a one-line hit and run snipe.
I created this thread here rather than the main one as Moggis created this just for that as he was fed up of them cluttering a board he wanted football based. I have no problem questioning political opinion or social issues posted on the football forum but wouldn't create an overtly political/social one there out of respect for his wishes.
The provide links remarks were made to reinforce the point that 20k Chinese do indeed croak every day and that nobody who was not of east Asian heritage had died. Those who propagate the worldwide pandemic, millions will die scare stories are having a difficult time maintaining that theory in the face of no non Asian dead. At first that was because the virus had an unusually long incubation period of up to 14 days, they said. That's long since past.
I stated this coronavirus is a new mild flu strain and that typical flu has killed vastly more than the current 1k global total for this one. You didn't counter that point, likely because you were unable to support doing so with established facts.
The coronavirus, apparently, attacks what's called ACE-2 lung receptors. They are most prevalent in east Asian males and especially Chinese males. It explains why - once again - nil non Asians have died as Caucasians, etc, have far fewer so can easily survive infection.
It's also true the Chinese government has hyped the threat to its own citizens to an absurd degree while also playing down the threat to the rest of the world by complaining about airlines stopping flights to and from there.
I will agree with your remarks about doing harm to the Chinese economy at the worst time of the year. But revenue loss isn't a problem as China has its own printing press and can create any amount of new currency to support itself and inject into equity markets and anything else it cares to prop up.
Incidentally, the relatively massive protests in Wuhan last summer centered on an incinerator. Coincidentally or not, they come in handy for disposing corpses.
Wuhan protests: Incinerator plan sparks mass unrest -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-48904350
To be honest, I thought my points about it being a stupid suggestion were so obvious they didn't need to be spelled out.
As for the Chinese economy being ok as they can just print more money - see above. Don't make me do another one...
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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lardy
To be honest, I thought my points about it being a stupid suggestion were so obvious they didn't need to be spelled out.
As for the Chinese economy being ok as they can just print more money - see above. Don't make me do another one...
I love it when you get all authoritative, but after listening to your BS for 3 years, I'm afraid I have to take everything you say with a pinch of salt :biggrin:
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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lardy
To be honest, I thought my points about it being a stupid suggestion were so obvious they didn't need to be spelled out.
As for the Chinese economy being ok as they can just print more money - see above. Don't make me do another one...
It's a simple proposition. The coronavirus kills very few. Forced quarantine in China equals a death sentence for all dissidents and (I strongly suspect) anyone the Communist Party adjudge as an economic drag.
Not sure what you mean with your currency remarks. I concluded a long time ago you're clueless re fiat money, currency creation, fractional reserve banking and lending, QE, usury, inflation in its different forms and pretty much everything else related to the topic.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
It's a simple proposition. The coronavirus kills very few. Forced quarantine in China equals a death sentence for all dissidents and (I strongly suspect) anyone the Communist Party adjudge as an economic drag.
Not sure what you mean with your currency remarks. I concluded a long time ago you're clueless re fiat money, currency creation, fractional reserve banking and lending, QE, usury, inflation in its different forms and pretty much everything else related to the topic.
So help a thickie like me understand how China can replace all the income lost by selling far less to the rest of the world by printing more money.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
It's a simple proposition. The coronavirus kills very few. Forced quarantine in China equals a death sentence for all dissidents and (I strongly suspect) anyone the Communist Party adjudge as an economic drag.
Don't forget the social credit scores.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.
Yes totally agree , keeps them active I suppose.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
If you read the posts properly, you'll see that nobody is saying that the coronavirus itself is a conspiracy... They're saying that the Chinese government creating it as a weapon to kill their own citizens is a conspiracy - which is what Organ Morgan is purporting.
I did read the post I was generalising about these types of events ,that's why I didn't reply to Organ directly.
I note another posted the same view ,which escaped your eye.
Anyways thanks teach I do appreciate you monitoring my every word , its quite flattering and uplifting.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
The arguement that this virus has killed less people than other more normal things (seasonal flu, falling down the stairs, etc) doesn't stand up. The more people that the virus infects, the greater the chance of a mutation. The death rate could surge without warning if the spread isn't brought under control.
The 4-24 day incubation period means we are always at least 4 days and possibly as much as 24 days behind the real numbers. The virus could be infecting people in every major city in the UK right now and we wouldn't know about it for another week or so.
The WHO Director General earlier said "Ebola is lousy, this is airborne. Corona is airborne!"
An airborne virus has the potential to infect people up to 250m away and hangs in the air. Thats about two football pitches in length.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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life on mars
I did read the post I was generalising about these types of events ,that's why I didn't reply to Organ directly.
I note another posted the same view ,which escaped your eye.
Anyways thanks teach I do appreciate you monitoring my every word , its quite flattering and uplifting.
Who?
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
Today's new numbers raised an eyebrow. 14,840 new cases (multiples more than any previous day), and 242 new deaths (over double any day prior).
I usually get a Chinese takeaway each Thursday. Tomorrow I'll be there wearing a hazmat suit and gas mask.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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lardy
So help a thickie like me understand how China can replace all the income lost by selling far less to the rest of the world by printing more money.
Some official at their central bank or Treasury would create whatever number of new yuan they care to. Britain has created £434 billion quid just as I described and called it QE (quantitative easing). True story.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Organ Morgan.
Some official at their central bank or Treasury would create whatever number of new yuan they care to. Britain has created £434 billion quid just as I described and called it QE (quantitative easing). True story.
That's interesting. I didn't know economics was so simple. I can't believe that everyone's worrying about trade deals when organ Morgan says on ccmb politics forum that we can just print more money. Presumably people are then flying around the world with briefcases full of billions of dollars of freshly printed bills to buy materials.
I've learned something. Thank you.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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lardy
That's interesting. I didn't know economics was so simple. I can't believe that everyone's worrying about trade deals when organ Morgan says on ccmb politics forum that we can just print more money. Presumably people are then flying around the world with briefcases full of billions of dollars of freshly printed bills to buy materials.
I've learned something. Thank you.
How's the Steele dossier going? Got any more updates? I love it when you share your intellectually superior knowledge with everybody :hehe:
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Heisenberg
Who?
*Originally Posted by*lardy*
Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
That's interesting. I didn't know economics was so simple. I can't believe that everyone's worrying about trade deals when organ Morgan says on ccmb politics forum that we can just print more money. Presumably people are then flying around the world with briefcases full of billions of dollars of freshly printed bills to buy materials.
I've learned something. Thank you.
What I stated is indeed true. That £434B of was created in tranches. Labour started it in 2008, if memory serves, the Tories pilloried them, then when they came to power in 2010 did the same. It was more of the fake red-blue, left-right pantomime show. The Bank of England created all of it then sent it over to the Treasury who used it to purchase UK gilts. Gilts are debt coupons which are called bonds everywhere else in the world that have interest attached. As the Bank of England is wholly owned by the British state then Britain borrowed £434B from itself, minus any interest payments of course. The QE scheme is formally titled the Asset Purchase Facility.
However much the Chinese state loses revenue wise from an economic downturn because of the virus they'll offset in an identical way. The consequences will entail its currency's purchasing power declining, better known as inflation which Chinese citizens will pay along with anyone else holding their currency.
The purchasing power of the UK pound has fallen by around 98.5% during the past century. You can check for yourself at the BoE's inflation calculator. https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/mone...ion-calculator
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Are you joking? Why do you think that post "escaped my eyes" when that post was part of the conspiracy talk in which I was referring to when I quoted you. It's not the same view, either as you appeared to be talking about the coronavirus itself being a conspiracy by mentioning SARS, AIDS etc. - lardy simply said that OM's view that the Chinese govt created the virus to kill its citizens was "conspiracy rubbish".
Organ Morgan posted: "Could any government be so evil as to release a new type of mild flu to then exaggerate its danger inside its borders while simultaneously downplaying its danger for the rest of the world purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer?"
TBG replied to OM's post: "What a load of old tosh"
lardy replied to TBG's post: "Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.".
That's as linear as these threads get.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Are you joking? Why do you think that post "escaped my eyes" when that post was part of the conspiracy talk in which I was referring to when I quoted you. It's not the same view, either as you appeared to be talking about the coronavirus itself being a conspiracy by mentioning SARS, AIDS etc. - lardy simply said that OM's view that the Chinese govt created the virus to kill its citizens was "conspiracy rubbish".
Organ Morgan posted: "Could any government be so evil as to release a new type of mild flu to then exaggerate its danger inside its borders while simultaneously downplaying its danger for the rest of the world purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer?"
TBG replied to OM's post: "What a load of old tosh"
lardy replied to TBG's post: "Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.".
That's as linear as these threads get.
Well there is someone in this thread who has:
Posted a 55 minute You Tube video purporting to show that the Chinese have been importing viruses from Canada for their wicked ends;
Suggested that their wicked ends also include having an antidote for selective use;
Hinted that there are numerous aims and motives without specifying any and
Boldly stated that anyone not buying into this is a slave of the MSM machine.
Now we know that LoM's nostrils are never too far away from WB's foetid pucker at the best of times. To his credit he often calls out OM who has a Red Pill Red Belt when it comes to this kind of thing (It wasn't a holocaust just some over exuberant Nazis doing the odd massacre, the world is run by Jews (Rotheschilds, Soros, Bilderburgs etc).
But this places him at odds with his hero, who sucks up to OM in the same way as he does to WB, who in turn patronises him with disdain. When all these dynamics clash in one thread the best thing to do is be vague about who the mystery co-conspirator is to avoid a rift in the tinfoil space/time continuum I suppose.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
What I stated is indeed true. That £434B of was created in tranches. Labour started it in 2008, if memory serves, the Tories pilloried them, then when they came to power in 2010 did the same. It was more of the fake red-blue, left-right pantomime show. The Bank of England created all of it then sent it over to the Treasury who used it to purchase UK gilts. Gilts are debt coupons which are called bonds everywhere else in the world that have interest attached. As the Bank of England is wholly owned by the British state then Britain borrowed £434B from itself, minus any interest payments of course. The QE scheme is formally titled the Asset Purchase Facility.
However much the Chinese state loses revenue wise from an economic downturn because of the virus they'll offset in an identical way. The consequences will entail its currency's purchasing power declining, better known as inflation which Chinese citizens will pay along with anyone else holding their currency.
The purchasing power of the UK pound has fallen by around 98.5% during the past century. You can check for yourself at the BoE's inflation calculator.
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/mone...ion-calculator
Yes I do know what QE is. I don't see how it will help China but you seem very certain that it will.
Shute has made a couple of interesting comments about your posts. Any thoughts on them?
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Are you joking? Why do you think that post "escaped my eyes" when that post was part of the conspiracy talk in which I was referring to when I quoted you. It's not the same view, either as you appeared to be talking about the coronavirus itself being a conspiracy by mentioning SARS, AIDS etc. - lardy simply said that OM's view that the Chinese govt created the virus to kill its citizens was "conspiracy rubbish".
Organ Morgan posted: "Could any government be so evil as to release a new type of mild flu to then exaggerate its danger inside its borders while simultaneously downplaying its danger for the rest of the world purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer?"
TBG replied to OM's post: "What a load of old tosh"
lardy replied to TBG's post: "Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.".
That's as linear as these threads get.
I did indeed call it rubbish.
But Organ will be excited to learn that the Uighurs are worried that the coronavirus will spread through their camps. That will give him something to get his teeth into (and overlook the fact that it took two months to get there).
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Well there is someone in this thread who has:
Posted a 55 minute You Tube video purporting to show that the Chinese have been importing viruses from Canada for their wicked ends;
Suggested that their wicked ends also include having an antidote for selective use;
Hinted that there are numerous aims and motives without specifying any and
Boldly stated that anyone not buying into this is a slave of the MSM machine.
Now we know that LoM's nostrils are never too far away from WB's foetid pucker at the best of times. To his credit he often calls out OM who has a Red Pill Red Belt when it comes to this kind of thing (It wasn't a holocaust just some over exuberant Nazis doing the odd massacre, the world is run by Jews (Rotheschilds, Soros, Bilderburgs etc).
But this places him at odds with his hero, who sucks up to OM in the same way as he does to WB, who in turn patronises him with disdain. When all these dynamics clash in one thread the best thing to do is be vague about who the mystery co-conspirator is to avoid a rift in the tinfoil space/time continuum I suppose.
It's a good job that we have these honourable, inquisitive and investigative minds posting on here. Imagine all of the shit that Governments (or is that 'Shadow Governments'?) pull that we would have had no idea about if it wasn't for these hearty souls.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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lardy
Yes I do know what QE is. I don't see how it will help China but you seem very certain that it will.
Shute has made a couple of interesting comments about your posts. Any thoughts on them?
QE = counterfeiting. Imagine if people had the ability to borrow from themselves at no cost and never have to repay the principal. A ludicrous notion because few would bother to earn an income by exchanging their labour. But that's what governments can and have done and the bill is saddled by everyone through the inflation tax of the depreciating purchasing power of their currency.
Combined worldwide debt stands at around £190 trillion ($250 trillion) and yet every country is mired in debt. Aye, every last one of them. As you know what QE is, perhaps you'd be kind enough to inform me who exactly is/are the creditor/s?
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
The economic fallout of broken supply chains begins in earnest.
JCB cuts production because of coronavirus:
Digger manufacturer JCB is cutting production and working hours as its faces a shortage of components from China due to the coronavirus outbreak.
It is thought to be the first time a major UK manufacturer has warned about the epidemic's impact on its output.
More: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51486719
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
I did indeed call it rubbish.
But Organ will be excited to learn that the Uighurs are worried that the coronavirus will spread through their camps. That will give him something to get his teeth into (and overlook the fact that it took two months to get there).
I get that you care nothing for the fate of a million people who live far away. I've not lost a second's kip thinking of them either.
Presently, over 500 million Chinese citizens are living under lockdown conditions, that's more than a third of their population.
Either China is lying in a huge way about the number of deaths inside China (fewer than 1,500) or lying about the true reason for the lockdowns.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
It's a good job that we have these honourable, inquisitive and investigative minds posting on here. Imagine all of the shit that Governments (or is that 'Shadow Governments'?) pull that we would have had no idea about if it wasn't for these hearty souls.
Most of the world's population profess to believe in some all-seeing invisible bloke in the sky who's billions of years old. Those who do should really comprise of those who are severely mentally ill. Why billions do believe is that they've been brainwashed since birth. That's evidence that the majority of humankind can be persuaded to believe anything, however preposterous, providing the same message is repeated.
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Organ's getting a bit desperate for a punch to land
"I'll get him on quantitave easing!"
Whichever way you look at it, it makes no sense that China started this deliberately.
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Are you joking? Why do you think that post "escaped my eyes" when that post was part of the conspiracy talk in which I was referring to when I quoted you. It's not the same view, either as you appeared to be talking about the coronavirus itself being a conspiracy by mentioning SARS, AIDS etc. - lardy simply said that OM's view that the Chinese govt created the virus to kill its citizens was "conspiracy rubbish".
Organ Morgan posted: "Could any government be so evil as to release a new type of mild flu to then exaggerate its danger inside its borders while simultaneously downplaying its danger for the rest of the world purely to kill those citizens it doesn't want live any longer?"
TBG replied to OM's post: "What a load of old tosh"
lardy replied to TBG's post: "Agree. Just the usual conspiracy rubbish that happens every time something out of the ordinary happens. Usually the same people spreading it too.".
That's as linear as these threads get.
oooh someone indoors shouting at you again or not listening ,go on lash , its good to release ones anger at life , you gotta be heard by someone ,somewhere , you truly do get very angry , lol
To help with your keyboard anger issues i just suggested all these type of virus thing attracts conspiracies , guess it was written badly and in a different way though ( sorry I didn't get a good education ) as a point of record I would like top support Lardy and say
i agree with his statement Just the usual conspiracy rubbish
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Re: Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Organ's getting a bit desperate for a punch to land
"I'll get him on quantitave easing!"
Whichever way you look at it, it makes no sense that China started this deliberately.
Don't you understand that the Chinese Communist Party is an utterly ruthless dictatorship who maintain control through fear? Mao killed millions of them in the last century through purges and famine. Purges to murder their perceived opponents, famine to reduce a burgeoning population. 70 years ago when Mao came to power China's population was 550 million, today it's 1,400 million. China's the same size today as it was then. The country cannot feed itself. They're reliant on the Yanks to provide them with their fave grub, soybeans. They have a massive male to female imbalance due to their former one child policy where most couples aborted females preferring their only child to me male.
I already stated in this thread why it would make sense for the CCP to vanish dissidents and swathes of their excess population by deploying a relatively harmless virus to induce panic about it inside their borders and play down for the rest of the world. As with all the God crap, when constantly told death is at hand for those infected with the coronavirus then the majority will come to believe it.