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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
It's funny that in areas that are more multi cultural, racism seems to be less of a problem. I lived in Cardiff for 2 years then moved up to the valleys, where I've found racism to be more of an issue.
Ninian Park was located in a multi cultural part of cardiff, bordered by grangetown, riverside and canton. We always had fans of all races from these area following us historically. Fans from the valleys where there aren’t many ethnic groups quickly realised this and were never racist at our games, those that were, were often put right in the nicest possible way, something I witnessed once or twice on the bob bank in the late 80’s when some valley commando was shouting black this or that. Racism is something that you’d see in white towns like swansea, not here. For authorities to try and insinuate cardiff City fans are racist is as mad as saying a club like Birmingham are.
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Last time I went to Reading (2009 ish) they sent out coppers on horseback in front of our fans after the final whistle.
They just don't like us do they.
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They should ask Mark Bowen, he apparently heard it:
Bowen reaction
‘It’s unfortunate with the chanting. We had it at Millwall last weekend.
Nobody likes to hear it.’
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Birmingham has a massive multi cultural fan base. Their hooligan element was also multi cultural.
My cousin used to play for them in the 90s and I went to a lot of their games home and away and whilst their fans had a reputation for trouble, same as ours, endemic racial abuse was certainly not something I would associate Birmingham City with.
I don't know where Sludge is getting his idea that Birmingham is/was a racist club - he couldn't be any further from the truth, for reasons that you pointed out in your first paragraph.
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goats
Ninian Park was located in a multi cultural part of cardiff, bordered by grangetown, riverside and canton. We always had fans of all races from these area following us historically. Fans from the valleys where there aren’t many ethnic groups quickly realised this and were never racist at our games, those that were, were often put right in the nicest possible way, something I witnessed once or twice on the bob bank in the late 80’s when some valley commando was shouting black this or that. Racism is something that you’d see in white towns like swansea, not here. For authorities to try and insinuate cardiff City fans are racist is as mad as saying a club like Birmingham are.
Have most definitely heard racist and bigoted crap spouted by Kairdiff accents too whilst following the city.
Last time for me was West Ham away last season, a decent sized bunch chanting and hurling about pretty vile anti Muslim and Asian bile.
It ain’t endemic, thankfully, but it exists.
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Over the years I can't say I've heard much racism from our fans at all, particularly in terms of chants. More recently there was the adebayor chant at arsenal away which was sung by more than a handful but even that was what 10 years ago.
Homophobic chants were common at certain matchess until recently but only mostly when playing Brighton. Not heard them personally last few years but didn't go to Brighton away last season.
In a couple hundred people you will get racists and homophobes, let alone in 2000+ people. Unless it's a group chanting though then I think putting something like that over the pa system is just ridiculous.
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Baloo
They should ask Mark Bowen, he apparently heard it:
Bowen reaction
‘It’s unfortunate with the chanting. We had it at Millwall last weekend.
Nobody likes to hear it.’
I've jut read a report with a bit before this saying Bowen didn't hear it.
Although Reading manager Mark Bowen admitted he was unaware of the incident, he said 'You hope and pray it's not creeping back into football, but nobody likes to hear it and it needs to be stamped out.'
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Reading fan here (who didn't hear anything racist or homophobic) claiming it's the third time in a month they've had such announcements. Are Reading trying to clamp down on noisy away support?
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comm...m_medium=web2x
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Hot Shot Hamish.
I've jut read a report with a bit before this saying Bowen didn't hear it.
Although Reading manager Mark Bowen admitted he was unaware of the incident, he said 'You hope and pray it's not creeping back into football, but nobody likes to hear it and it needs to be stamped out.'
OK, ta. Bit misleading headline used then.
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Joke at Reading yesterday. Racism is one thing nobody can level at us.
In my youth I used to regularly walk down from Ely to the City and back up again in a gang that could vary from 4 up to 20. We were like the League of Nations back then with all colours and creed.
We’ d sometimes get into bother and have a few scrapes along the way, and we’d laugh at anything, but the different colours of our skin was the furthest thing from our minds.
I can only vouch for Ely and Canton as they are the only 2 places I’ve lived, but I’d wager It’s the same all over the City.
It’s one thing I’m so proud of about my home town.
You will always get individual and isolated incidents, but as JtJ has posted above, they are very rare.
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William Treseder
Joke at Reading yesterday. Racism is one thing nobody can level at us.
In my youth I used to regularly walk down from Ely to the City and back up again in a gang that could vary from 4 up to 20. We were like the League of Nations back then with all colours and creed.
We’ d sometimes get into bother and have a few scrapes along the way, and we’d laugh at anything, but the different colours of our skin was the furthest thing from our minds.
I can only vouch for Ely and Canton as they are the only 2 places I’ve lived, but I’d wager It’s the same all over the City.
It’s one thing I’m so proud of about my home town.
You will always get individual and isolated incidents, but as JtJ has posted above, they are very rare.
^^^This^^^
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Apparently the chant in question was "Reading is a shithole, I want to go home.
This is from a post online, from a father whose son was detained. If this is the future we may as well give up now.
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barrybloo
Apparently the chant in question was "Reading is a shithole, I want to go home.
This is from a post online, from a father whose son was detained. If this is the future we may as well give up now.
I know, we have to go to places like stoke, Swansea, Luton, Barnsley, Blackburn and boro just to name a few who must hear this every week
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barrybloo
Apparently the chant in question was "Reading is a shithole, I want to go home.
This is from a post online, from a father whose son was detained. If this is the future we may as well give up now.
Reading is a shithole though. It seems to be one big business estate where companies go if they don’t want to pay London prices.
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I think we are all incredibly keen to make sure racist and homophobic chanting/insults are kept firmly out of football. It is abhorent and completely idiotic, so clubs taing action to stamp this out is totaly welcome. However, with this come enormous responsibilty to make sure all facts are checked and any announcements clubs make in the moment are in proportion to the events or incidents that have occured.
It is hugely damaging to the reputation of the supporters and club targeted if indeed the announcment is incorrect. Watching final score yesterday the BBC correspondent Jacqui Oatley (who if my powers of perception are right, absolutley f**king hates us with a passion, she is a Wolves fan...) led her match report with the news of this announcement communicating it to the entire nation. Since then all media outlets have jumped on this (and rightly so) and the club/support is now under emmense scrutiny.
Now, I personally think the anti-English chanting is beyond cringeworthy and makes us look small minded. I never join in with it, I live in England have an English partner and English mates. It would be pretty hypocritical of me if I did. As much as I disagree with it, there is a big distinction between that and Racist & Homophobic chanting. Reading have since changed their statement to discriminatory rather than Racist & Homophobic but the damage is done.
Wheter Racist & Homophobic or Discriminatory, it needs to be weeded out. Maybe this will make us think twice about what we chant about England (hard to change a habit of a lifetime though). I prefer when we own the anti-Welsh stuff like 'Sheep Shagging Bastards...we know what we are' or sing about how 'South Wales is wonderful...' at least it's more positive.
Hopefully more facts about the isolated incidents will emerge and the club will deal with it accordingly.
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Jacqui Oatley definitely hates Cardiff, it’s very weird. I always liked her until I followed her on Twitter, so biased it’s painful.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Birmingham has a massive multi cultural fan base. Their hooligan element was also multi cultural.
My cousin used to play for them in the 90s and I went to a lot of their games home and away and whilst their fans had a reputation for trouble, same as ours, endemic racial abuse was certainly not something I would associate Birmingham City with.
My father was a blues fan before I converted him to the city
Whilst like cardiff , birmingham has a multicultural support , the football club in the 80s and 90s had a terrible reputation for racism , leeds is also a multicultural city but had similar problems
Birmingham city has always been the football club of the white working class in the city , Aston villa the more multicultural
Birmingham city is based in small heath , a large Asian area of the city , birmingham do not have a big Asian following , they do have a black following some of whom sadly took over the zulus hooligan gang but most of Birmingham's black community have aston villa as their club , hardly surprising when you think of the proximity of handsworth , aston and lozells to villa park
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CardiffCitySince1927
There was a “Racism and Homophobia will not be tolerated” announcement on the Tanoy. Was it us or them?
I watched the game on a good stream yesterday and heard the announcement followed by chants of sheep shagging bastards we know what we are I heard no offensive chanting en masse by the faithful and if this outcry is for a bit of anti English banter then Reading FC need to be wrapped in cotton wool every time they play us, poor little lambs.The City support was fantastic !!!
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Croesy Blue
Jacqui Oatley definitely hates Cardiff, it’s very weird. I always liked her until I followed her on Twitter, so biased it’s painful.
All I can remember was her getting a cob on regarding Warnock moaning about Chelsea's offside goal last season.
That said, she might not be the best judge of character. :hehe:
https://i.imgur.com/I5KrZZg.png
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SLUDGE FACTORY
My father was a blues fan before I converted him to the city
Whilst like cardiff , birmingham has a multicultural support , the football club in the 80s and 90s had a terrible reputation for racism , leeds is also a multicultural city but had similar problems
Birmingham city has always been the football club of the white working class in the city , Aston villa the more multicultural
Birmingham city is based in small heath , a large Asian area of the city , birmingham do not have a big Asian following , they do have a black following some of whom sadly took over the zulus hooligan gang but most of Birmingham's black community have aston villa as their club , hardly surprising when you think of the proximity of handsworth , aston and lozells to villa park
There's a huge difference - Leeds might be a multi-cultural city, however, they have never had a multi-cultural following; perhaps they were deemed to have a racist element amongst them. Birmingham City, on the other hand, have had a large black following for many years. If you'd ever seen their away support in particular, you'd have noticed how they all mix without problems.
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celticknight
All I can remember was her getting a cob on regarding Warnock moaning about Chelsea's offside goal last season.
That said, she might not be the best judge of character. :hehe:
https://i.imgur.com/I5KrZZg.png
She really doesn’t like Warnock either :hehe:
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
There's a huge difference - Leeds might be a multi-cultural city, however, they have never had a multi-cultural following; perhaps they were deemed to have a racist element amongst them. Birmingham City, on the other hand, have had a large black following for many years. If you'd ever seen their away support in particular, you'd have noticed how they all mix without problems.
I am afraid you are incorrect , the Birmingham hooligan gang , the zulus , was notoriously racist up until the min 1990s when the gang was taken over by the local afro Caribbean nutters
I have seen their away support many times , my father was born and brought up in small heath he was a birmingham city fan before I made him see sense , it's not as multi cultural as a club with Birmingham's demographic should be
Mind you , nor is Cardiff's , if we are being honest
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
I don't know where Sludge is getting his idea that Birmingham is/was a racist club - he couldn't be any further from the truth, for reasons that you pointed out in your first paragraph.
I said it WAS
And up until local black hooligans took over the zulus in the 1990s , that along with leeds , Pompey, millwall , stoke etc , it very much was
As I say my father was a blue nose and he told me of horrific racist abuse on the terraces of st Andrew's
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Lawnmower
If this is true that’s disgraceful.
A lad off our bus was detained until late last night, I was told at 1AM he was released without charge due to ‘mistaken identity’.
His father has to drive to Reading to pick him up as his wallet was on the bus.
No attempt was made toco tact us about his whereabouts ( he is an adult by the way) and even our own police seemed to know very little about it.
Farce.
That's ****ing shocking
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
My father was a blues fan before I converted him to the city
Whilst like cardiff , birmingham has a multicultural support , the football club in the 80s and 90s had a terrible reputation for racism , leeds is also a multicultural city but had similar problems
Birmingham city has always been the football club of the white working class in the city , Aston villa the more multicultural
Birmingham city is based in small heath , a large Asian area of the city , birmingham do not have a big Asian following , they do have a black following some of whom sadly took over the zulus hooligan gang but most of Birmingham's black community have aston villa as their club , hardly surprising when you think of the proximity of handsworth , aston and lozells to villa park
By working class you're referring to poor white people I guess..
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The anti-English stuff is frustratingly stupid, regardless of whether or not its related to this incident, singing it shows a complete lack of either education, narrow mindedness or both.
Our club was founded by an Englishman, is managed by an Englishman, has mainly English players and competes in English leagues.
The fact that the majority of people in society are unwilling or unable to think beyond superficial level is alarming. This also applies to politics too.
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Report on arrests: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51251551
Four Cardiff City fans were arrested for "alleged racially aggravated abuse" during Saturday's 1-1 FA Cup draw at Reading, Thames Valley Police said.
The four males have been released under investigation.
Two of the four, aged 15 and 24, are from Caerphilly, with a 16-year-old from Abergavenny and a 21-year-old from Crickhowell arrested too.
Thames Valley Police said: "The force will continue to work in partnership with the clubs and South Wales Police."
Warnings relating to the alleged incidents were issued via the public address system at Madejski Stadium.
On Saturday, Cardiff City said in a statement they were aware of the allegations.
"We will be speaking with Reading Football Club, Thames Valley Police and South Wales Police - in attendance with our travelling support - to ascertain the facts of the matter," said the Bluebirds.
"We will conduct these conversations with the relevant authorities before making any further comment."
A Football Association spokesperson said the body is aware of the allegations and will also be investigating.
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goats
I know, we have to go to places like stoke, Swansea, Luton, Barnsley, Blackburn and boro just to name a few who must hear this every week
🤣🤣... with the exception of Swansea and maybe Barnsley the rest are probably the top 4 of shitholes I’ve visited in the UK. Boro and Stoke are definitely 1and 2
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The racist chanting thing is interesting because a lot of the chants Cardiff fans use, and that are used against them, are racist, but they’re wheeled out every week and common place. At what point do you decide they’re no longer acceptable and for what reason? ‘Same old English, always cheating’ is racist. Is anyone taking offence to it though? Probably not. Swing Low is not a racist song, but is used against Welsh sides in a racist way. The Washington Redskins is a racially insensitive name too. Where do you draw the line though?
Scott Johnson's (Walesonline writer) take on matter: https://twitter.com/roathboy
This does give us a chance to review the songs we are singing and update songbook if any are inappropriate. At the moment some of our favourite responses to away fans singing about England (and that's becoming more rare) is to sing about football hooliganism or how England fecked up the World Cup - the latter being a different kettle of fish but considering they have a great chance of winning the Euros it may come back to bite us - and one of the loudest songs this season has been about child abuse. It would not be a bad thing to start singing pro-Cardiff City songs or pro-Welsh songs instead, or even abusive songs which don't make light of such personal and damaging things such as child abuse.
I've seen some posts in this thread highlighting that Cardiff is largely a city without a racism problem which may be true in comparison to some others, but I also remember the twitter feed highlighting racism in Welsh football when our away fans were banned from Hungary, which itself was about a month after two boys got attacked in South Wales and told to go home in a matter unrelated to football. The English media's starting position for their recent game marred by racism was to deny there was any issue at home and that's simply inaccurate, especially given that the majority were able to "factor in" Boris Johnson's racist statements and still vote Tory plus how media have traditionally reported on Raheem Sterling etc. We all still have steps to take to stand against racism.
If it does turn out to be typical anti-English stuff then maybe it can spark a wider conversation about xenophobic attitudes across borders within the UK? Members of the UK government jeer anytime an SNP MP suggests conversation about independence and Tories consistently vote against increasing presence of Welsh language but Cardiff City fans singing songs is picked up instead? And if a hasty announcement on the Reading tannoy is the start of a conversation about Brexit was partly built on fear of Scotland having louder voice in UK (and therefore UK as it is today is based on established xenophobia) then all power to the biscuit-men,
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I am afraid you are incorrect , the Birmingham hooligan gang , the zulus , was notoriously racist up until the min 1990s when the gang was taken over by the local afro Caribbean nutters
I have seen their away support many times , my father was born and brought up in small heath he was a birmingham city fan before I made him see sense , it's not as multi cultural as a club with Birmingham's demographic should be
Mind you , nor is Cardiff's , if we are being honest
I'd say that's because a sizeable chunk (maybe even a majority) of Cardiff's support aren't from Cardiff but from the surrounding, whiter areas