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You don't have to look too far to find evidence of the incompetence which has become the trademark of the Uk Govvernment and yet the same poll which had Conservative and Labour level last weekend now has the Tories three points up again with their vote share having grown by two per cent - shows you what you can do if you can indulge in a bit of sabre rattling, and international law breaking, around Brexit.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/when-is-covid-covid/Quote:
The UK government guidance on diagnosis is based on clinical symptoms. Testing (not specified) is recommended for cases who are well enough to remain in the community. No guidance is given as to how to interpret such a test or any actions that should be taken consequent to the test results. Thus, new cases in the UK could reasonably be thought to mean cases diagnosed by clinical symptoms.
Public Health England describes the four pillars of testing to include swab testing and additionally serology testing for certain groups. The methodology for counting cases states the following:
“If a person has both a negative and a positive test, then only their positive test will be counted. If a person is tested as positive under both pillar 1 and pillar 2, then only the first positive case is counted.”
An asymptomatic person who tested positive could have two confirmatory negative tests, but would still count as a confirmed case. In Wales, data is deduplicated on 42-day episodes; if someone is tested twice, 43 days apart, they will be included in the case count measure twice.
The UK government updates its guidance and recently posted on assurances of positive results during periods of low prevalence.
The latest guidance states that ‘positive test results at the limit of detection that occur early in the cycle of infection are important as these represent individuals who may go on to transmit infection.’ The guidance asks laboratories to ‘determine the threshold for a positive result at the limit of detection based on the in-use assay,’ without stating what the threshold should be. If necessary, the laboratory should request a repeat sample; again this advice is given without a threshold to guide when to do the repeat test.
What is the case definition being used for clusters of UK cases being reported currently?
We deduce that a reported “case” is most probably simply the result of a positive PCR test. The new guidance is meaningless unless it provides a clear threshold for the limits of detection. For many whose test turns up positive, there may be nothing recorded about any clinical symptoms.
That’s a reflection of how gullible or stupid and preoccupied some of the electorate is regarding Brexit. The fact Boris & co have lied their way throughout the Brexit issue and continue to dishonestly inclines me to think we’re absolute stupid ****ers.
Absolutely spot on and it seems like the same scenario is happening in the US with Donald Trump's mind bendingly dumb MAGA cult converts.
It's like as though this cult of Brexit has put a huge minority of people's brains into a state of intoxicated suspended animation and because of this they're unable to make rational analyses.
This excuse for a government has certainly been the worst in my lifetime and they're barely a year into power. One wonders just what more nightmares are in store for us with every day that passes. It's like living in a Salvador Dali painting!
Just been down Sully car boot sale.
Safe to say no one gave a toss about distancing
Fake Floo:biggrin:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54146755
The details of more than 18,000 people who tested positive for coronavirus were published online by mistake by Public Health Wales.
The health body said the data of 18,105 Welsh residents was viewable online for 20 hours on 30 August.
Most cases gave initials, date of birth, geographical area and sex, meaning the risk of identification was low, Public Health Wales (PHW) said.
However 1,928 people in living in communal settings were more at risk.
Nursing home residents or those living in supported housing also had the name of their place of residence published, meaning the risk, while still considered low, was higher.
The incident was the result of "individual human error" when the information was uploaded to a public server searchable by anyone using the site.
PHW said the information had been viewed 56 times before it was removed but there was no evidence so far that the data had been misused.
183 cases reported in wales today
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54156889
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Just got in from walking my dog where I talked to two people - one is having to travel from Treherbert to Aberyswyth for a test today and the other told me that a relative of his, who is a nurse, was told she would have to go to London from the Rhondda for her test. Seems that as soon as the "world beating" programme is put under any sort of pressure (all of the indications from around the world are that things are going to get worse here before they get better as well), it can't cope.
The NHS people complaining about these test centres fail to mention the fact that they are run by the NHS. Abercynon and Cardiff are each doing about 1000 tests daily and Cwm are doing 6-700.
If they want more tests available in specific areas they can set up more test centers or send away teams to hot spots.
The away team sitting in Cardiff center are going nowhere just because the NHS trust running it will not give it any instructions to go anywhere.
Not when things like I described are happening, no I can't.
Also, I may be a lot of things, but one thing I'm not, and never have been, is an "I told you so" merchant, - there's more than enough of them around already. If I'm right, I'm right and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong - people will make their own minds up without me blowing my own trumpet.
I get that, but there are good stories and little bits of hope out there which you seem to studiously refrain from ever posting.
Bobs a lefty so he will always have a pop, which is fine of course. They’ve done a pretty shocking job but any party would have.
I’m sure bob would post about no deaths in Wales in September, very few in August and the fact the Heath has no Covid patients....:sherlock:
Now if I were looking to score party political points (heaven forbid!), I could say that all of those good news stories relate to NHS Wales which, as the UK Government never cease to tell is when something goes wrong with it, is run by the Welsh Government. On the other hand, I believe that the running and administration of testing centres and the test and trace system in England and Wales is the responsibility of the UK Government - xsnaggle went off on one as if I was being critical of those who work in test centres, I wouldn't do that - it looks to me as if the administration of them is the problem.
I can't see any reason why any party would have to had performed as badly as this current shower of shit. Just take a look at how the Scottish and our own administration's have performed so much better than Johnson and his little team of dopes, and that's without possessing plenary powers and attempting to break international law.
I think you are incorrect. Both the Scottish and Welsh Administrations rely almost exclusively on the "little team of dopes" to provide scientific and medical advice. All that has happened is that the Scots and Welsh have put their own spin on the information which, in the case of Scotland in particular, is politically driven and is as much about conveying an image of independence as much as anything else. However, I agree the test and trace arrangements are farcical. I live in Devon; people are being told to go 20 miles for a test but then discover Swansea is 20 miles by sea but a 300 miles round trip by road. It's a joke.
This is interesting from a legal standpoint..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ibHtut9zA