get a grip , stop buying bog roll and wash your hands
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Why do you say that? Oh, yeah, you're trying to be smart by being flippant.
Of course recoveries are important. Recovery rate, and length of time to recover will be a huge factor in determining how many people will be too sick to work at one time. But you just concentrate on the headlines mate.
The WHO formally declared it a pandemic earlier today. With a whopping total of six British deaths then should that number double we ought to run around in circles acting as though our hair is on fire. Its already happened at the Bank of England who announced an emergency 1/2% cut to the interest base rate this morning which is now at 0.25%, the lowest in the Bank's entire 326-year history.
I can't honestly in living memory remember a time when countries got quarantined, Serie A was completely stopped, US States declared states of emergency, Champions League matches were played behind closed doors and all the rest of it. And I remember bird flu, ebola and so on.
Like I said, I'm not panicking. I'm living completely normally and will continue to do so until told otherwise but the refusal by some people to acknowledge that the steps that are being taken internationally in reaction to this outbreak mark is out as something different and potentially more worrying really confuses me
Is it wrong for people to question the reason why these steps are being taken?
As things stand, 2 months into the outbreak, the 9th most affected "region" is a ship. As things stand the death toll world wide is 4,600. Of course, every one of those is a tragedy but we still don't know how many died OF coronovirus, and how many died WITH coronovirus.
Also, as things stand, the UK has been overtaken by Switzerland (a country a 7th the size of the UK), Norway (a country 1/13th the size of the UK), Denmark (a country also 1/13th the size of the UK), the Netherlands (a country a quarter the size of the UK) and Sweden (1/6th the size of the UK) in terms of numbers of cases.
In fact, the UK are 29th in terms of number of cases per million.
Italy are the only Government to have locked down. It seems an over reaction, either that or Switzerland, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Qatar, Kuwait, Singapore, South Korea and Bahrain are completely incompetent. I wonder why people are putting so much weight on Italy's decision, but without considering the choices other Governments in similar predicaments are making?
I also reiterate, in Italy there are 206 cases per million people. One in 50,000 people. I've been in an office where two people have a cold at the same time. I would have to be in an Italian offce of 100,000 people to get the same experience.
It really is simple, wash your hands, avoid touching your face. If you get any illness, stay at home and don't spread it. With common sense, this thing will disappear quickly - but when did the world last exhibit common sense. This thread is testament to that.
Italy is closing everything bar pharmacies and food shops.
I can't help feeling that we in the UK are in the phoney war stage. I presume we Brits are not genetically that different from folk in Italy yet we are mostly going about our day-to-day business as usual when Italy is in virtual lockdown. I think we must surely be on the cusp of a sudden exponential increase in the number of cases of coronavirus? Are we just incredibly lucky or is there some inherent immunity that most of us possess?
We should be shutting things down and socially distancing now and anyone that doesn't think so can fight me.
Or is it that Italians are more sociable than us? Not sure what the weather has been like in Italy lately, particularly the north, but the bloody rain we’ve had here for what seems like forever may be keeping people at home. We obviously mingle on public transport, shops & sporting events but there hasn’t been any decent evenings to get out and mix. Are we a bit less ‘touchy feely’ than Latin folk? I just picture Italian people out and about on decent mild evenings greeting each other warmly while we’re a sort of wave and ‘all right mate’. Traditional British stand offishness may have been a bit of an advantage this last month or two.
No, just arguing with experts on the internet is pointless and I can't be arsed going round in circles, I'm never going to agree with you and you're never going to agree with me, and neither of us give a shit if the other one does or not. Too concerned about Aaron Ramsey now anyway :angry:
https://www.football-italia.net/1510...as-coronavirus
Fit lads, footballers Delmi, so I wouldn’t have thought too much concern about the individual. The massive problem though is who else has he been in contact with, must be mind boggling the questioning. Can’t imagine be asked to wrack your brains to recall everyone you’ve been in contact with over the last week or so, mind boggling.
Yes, that's a good point about the "touchy-feely" aspect. If we don't get a sudden exponential increase in cases soon, then it will be interesting to hear what the medical guys have to say about it. Not that I want to see an exponential increase, far from it!
I've read a lot about Britain being something like 13 days behind Italy. All countries are going to have had similar stats to Italy at some point, so I don't necessarily buy that Britain will turn into Italy with regard the virus. It might, but it's not the guarantee that some seem to be suggesting.
Had an Asda home delivery earlier:
Did you have the email?
Yes, the nuts I ordered are out of stock.
I have never seen anything like this, we are running out of everything.
People really are panic buying?
Yeah, it's incredible. This past week or so has been busier than at any time over Christmas.
I think Italy will be seen as a slightly special case when all is said and done. A lot of Wuhans neighbouring provinces and China’s neighbours all had different responses and results,
I’m in Vitoria-Gasteiz, which is getting something like 30/40/50 new infections a day. We were up to 200 yesterday. Schools closed now. Limited gatherings.
The minister of health in Spain has said that worst case the epidemic will be gone by July.
I’m teaching in a private language school. We should probably shut for a few weeks but private enterprise are in it for the money. Staff health is secondary. We’ll only close when someone comes down with something.
I’ll be quitting after this thing is done.
What people are forgetting is over the last few months in the far away land of China we Europeans and the rest of the world thought hmmm sad but their problem. Too far away to affect us. Stop eating bats and whatever.
Then reasons unbeknown Italy and Iran had the virus develop after China, took them by surprise and it spread, really spread. To the point of both countries medical services are now on the brink. In this time through well publicised media the other surrounding nations have had time to observe and make judgements however it is spreading. Yes we are weeks behind but it will catch up.
Cobra meeting tomorrow to go into delay phase. Don’t panic but, get what you need supply wise and batten down the hatches.
The videos I’ve seen from Italy and Iran (people on the ground videos) are bloody scary so I think let’s not be complacent about it.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca.
Very well put together article.
Interesting read with some good graphs. It backdates the cases the authorities knew about at the time with the actual numbers, along with some other stuff. One big conclusion is
Countries that are prepared will see a fatality rate of ~0.5% (South Korea) to 0.9% (rest of China).
Countries that are overwhelmed will have a fatality rate between ~3%-5%
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca