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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
If I attended, you would criticise me, but because I didn’t, you are doing so again 🙄
I’d have more respect for you if you were protesting. At least Delmbox got off his arse and practiced what he preaches.
I criticise you because you have been shouting loudest about the protests, championing them, yet refuse to concede the danger they possess in the current climate.
Then in the next breath you admit you haven’t protested personally for Covid reasons.
Virtue signalling at its finest.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
I've provided a link above, as JR said read it.
I'm not googling anything, if you make claims then you are the one who needs to back them up as I have done in this thread.
Well you can just look at the reasoning for the deaths, which is written out nicely for you and the ones you think were wrong you can point out to me. Note how the vast majority are terrorism or weapon related. This is not the US, we have our own issues with racism for sure, but it isn't the same and never will be the same as what's going on in America.
I know about the Cardiff 3, the fact it was decades ago (like I said) doesn't strengthen your point at all.
You are a white bloke , as am I and the vast majority of us , despite cardiff being a very multi racial city
Cardiff has , as a city , a history of denying that it has a problem with racism
It most certainly does
Just because the framing of the cardiff 3 was several decades ago doesnt mean it wouldnt or couldn't happen again
This is an issue of race , the spark was the murder of this black guy in america but if you are saying we dont have a problem in this country you are doing it from a white perspective
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Sojev Labour MPs and its fans praise the demonstrators, one man goes to Durham, the world ends , hypocrisy at it's best.
Its laughable
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
Bringing awareness to what exactly? That when you actually break down that number it isn't very significant?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52890363
The case of Belly Mujinga is tragic, but I am baffled as to why you think it's a racism one. The anger should be at her employer for allowing her to work despite her underlying conditions. When the spitter was tested for antibodies, it came back negative (
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52853859), so again, the anger should be at her worker for allowing her to remain in a customer facing role. Strangely that case works against your justification for protests because there will likely be more people out there who will get this virus and die directly because of these protests.
Cheers for sending the BBC article. It seems really detailed and reading the figures that you suggested seems interesting. Same with the Lammy Review section.
The case of Belly Mujinga has got a CPS review underway. I guess the discussion around her death is about equity and I agree that it is wrong of her boss to allow her to work in such a role, especially considering her pre-existing conditions
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I’d have more respect for you if you were protesting. At least Delmbox got off his arse and practiced what he preaches.
I criticise you because you have been shouting loudest about the protests, championing them, yet refuse to concede the danger they possess in the current climate.
Then in the next breath you admit you haven’t protested personally for Covid reasons.
Virtue signalling at its finest.
You don't know about my life or my political activity, past or present, so don't comment
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
Cheers for sending the BBC article. It seems really detailed and reading the figures that you suggested seems interesting. Same with the Lammy Review section.
The case of Belly Mujinga has got a CPS review underway. I guess the discussion around her death is about equity and I agree that it is wrong of her boss to allow her to work in such a role, especially considering her pre-existing conditions
Perhaps her boss was white and they can still pin the race card on him
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
In fairness while it’s no where near as bad in this country I think you were more likely to be stopped and searched it you weren’t white.
But I agree trying to put ours on the levels of the US definitely undermines it.
I think it's something crazy like 9x more likely to be searched if you're black, I don't know how effective it has been but the idea of racial profiling never sat with me. Feels like it would cause more distrust with the police rather than tackling the issues. Glasgow had a bad problem with knives back in the mid 2000s and their approach was centered around the issues which led to knife crime rather than just taking it off them and locking them up. It worked well there
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Sojev Labour MPs and its fans praise the demonstrators, one man goes to Durham, the world ends , hypocrisy at it's best.
:hehe: You're funny. Not in a 'laughing with you' kind of way, unfortunately for you.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
13 black men actually. Read Llandafs link then come back. In the last 10 years there’s more chance of an arrested white person dying in custody.
I have , we live in a predominantly white country
Most people arrested in this country are white
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
You don't know about my life or my political activity, past or present, so don't comment
I don’t want to know, you’re not that significant.
However, what I do know is you’ve been run thumping the protest drum yet you don’t show up to protest yourself.
Laughable.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You are a white bloke , as am I and the vast majority of us , despite cardiff being a very multi racial city
Cardiff has , as a city , a history of denying that it has a problem with racism
It most certainly does
Just because the framing of the cardiff 3 was several decades ago doesnt mean it wouldnt or couldn't happen again
This is an issue of race , the spark was the murder of this black guy in america but if you are saying we dont have a problem in this country you are doing it from a white perspective
wasn't it the cardiff 5 ?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I don’t want to know, you’re not that significant.
However, what I do know is you’ve been run thumping the protest drum yet you don’t show up to protest yourself.
Laughable.
I didn't go to the protest because of COVID reasons and any more details would be more personal than I would want to post in public. Again, you don't know about my life so shut up
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You are a white bloke , as am I and the vast majority of us , despite cardiff being a very multi racial city
Cardiff has , as a city , a history of denying that it has a problem with racism
It most certainly does
Just because the framing of the cardiff 3 was several decades ago doesnt mean it wouldnt or couldn't happen again
This is an issue of race , the spark was the murder of this black guy in america but if you are saying we dont have a problem in this country you are doing it from a white perspective
No I clearly said we have issues, but they are not the same as what we see in America. If you want to talk about the issues then we can, but instead you're trying to import American issues (like black people being killed by police and custody deaths) when they do not apply here. Your sole argument is the cardiff 3, the fact you have to go back 3 decades says it all really.
If you're not going to actually address what I'm saying and instead put words in my mouth I won't bother
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I have , we live in a predominantly white country
Most people arrested in this country are white
Thank god for that , white arrests mean something .
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I have , we live in a predominantly white country
Most people arrested in this country are white
And white peoples 25% more likely to be killed in police custody.
Read the numbers Slugs. Facts not your hypotheticals based on the 80s and 90s.
Jump in the Delorean and ask Doc Brown to bring you back 2020 ffs.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
wasn't it the cardiff 5 ?
Yep :
On 22 November 1990 three of the five accused were found guilty of White's murder. Tony Paris, Yusef Abdullahi and Stephen Miller – who became known as the "Cardiff*Three" – were each sentenced to life imprisonment. Cousins Ronnie and John Actie were acquitted of the murder; both had spent two years in custody.
Nice fellas the Actie's
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
Cheers for sending the BBC article. It seems really detailed and reading the figures that you suggested seems interesting. Same with the Lammy Review section.
The case of Belly Mujinga has got a CPS review underway. I guess the discussion around her death is about equity and I agree that it is wrong of her boss to allow her to work in such a role, especially considering her pre-existing conditions
I think the reopening is because of public pressure, unless they find her boss kept her in work because he hates black people then I don't think much will come from it. Definitely a case of negligence but it doesn't feel right to use it as an example for a civil rights movement.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
I didn't go to the protest because of COVID reasons and any more details would be more personal than I would want to post in public. Again, you don't know about my life so shut up
Laughable
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
wasn't it the cardiff 5 ?
5 black men were charged with murder , 3 convicted
Then 3 released
And the police officers involved were all given a big fat pension
Of course it wouldnt happen again
Of course not
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Yep :
On 22 November 1990 three of the five accused were found guilty of White's murder. Tony Paris, Yusef Abdullahi and Stephen Miller – who became known as the "Cardiff*Three" – were each sentenced to life imprisonment. Cousins Ronnie and John Actie were acquitted of the murder; both had spent two years in custody.
Nice fellas the Actie's
Shreds. Good podcast. Horrific behaviour from corrupt police. Thankfully we’ve made great strides in the last 10/20 years.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
:hehe: You're funny. Not in a 'laughing with you' kind of way, unfortunately for you.
Still hypocrisy
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
wasn't it the cardiff 5 ?
If you like podcasts listen to the Shreds one about the Cardiff 5. Fascinating stuff.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Shreds. Good podcast. Horrific behaviour from corrupt police. Thankfully we’ve made great strides in the last 10/20 years.
Indeed Cardiff and its policing should be proud of how its moved on, a few cities could learn a thing or two from us
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
If you like podcasts listen to the Shreds one about the Cardiff 5. Fascinating stuff.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fitted-Card.../dp/0952732505
Cracking book
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Looks like it’s written by sineinse though? Not a fan of biography’s tbh.
The podcasts are told by the lads involved. John Actie and Tony Paris mainly. I used to listen to it when I was out running last summer.
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Still hypocrisy
Except that it isn't.
Unless, of course, the protestors drove 250 miles whilst having a passenger with Covid symptoms in the car, then drove a further 60 mile round trip on their spouses birthday, then blatently lied about the reasons for their journey, attempted to gaslight an entire nation, undermined the Govt. policy and treated the British public as idiots - all because they're untouchable thanks to the protection they get from the Prime Minister and his cabinet.
... or were they protesting for better civil rights and the only rule they were breaking in current lockdown in England be the social distancing one?
I hope I've connected the dots for you enough, LoM. Please let me know if you would like me to explain it in a way that my 4 year old would understand :thumbup:
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
No I clearly said we have issues, but they are not the same as what we see in America. If you want to talk about the issues then we can, but instead you're trying to import American issues (like black people being killed by police and custody deaths) when they do not apply here. Your sole argument is the cardiff 3, the fact you have to go back 3 decades says it all really.
If you're not going to actually address what I'm saying and instead put words in my mouth I won't bother
The death of this black guy has stoked the fires of something that has been bubbling for years and I am glad people of all colour are protesting about racism
The fact that 3 black men were framed for a murder by the police , were convicted by a white jury , the fact that south wales police has very few black officers , the fact that cardiff city football club is located in a multi racial city yet very few people of colour support our club and very few people of colour have prominent positions in society means that this is a protest about the wider issue of race and I fully support those protesting in cardiff and other cities today .
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Yep :
On 22 November 1990 three of the five accused were found guilty of White's murder. Tony Paris, Yusef Abdullahi and Stephen Miller – who became known as the "Cardiff*Three" – were each sentenced to life imprisonment. Cousins Ronnie and John Actie were acquitted of the murder; both had spent two years in custody.
Nice fellas the Actie's
i have mentioned before on here i was in school with Lynette White and used to sit next to me in welsh lessons and always pains me what happened to her .
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Shreds. Good podcast. Horrific behaviour from corrupt police. Thankfully we’ve made great strides in the last 10/20 years.
Are you white ?
How would you know if police in this country have made as you say , great strides in the last twenty years regarding the treatment of black people ?
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Re: Justice for George Floyd petition
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The death of this black guy has stoked the fires of something that has been bubbling for years and I am glad people of all colour are protesting about racism
The fact that 3 black men were framed for a murder by the police , were convicted by a white jury , the fact that south wales police has very few black officers , the fact that cardiff city football club is located in a multi racial city yet very few people of colour support our club and very few people of colour have prominent positions in society means that this is a protest about the wider issue of race and I fully support those protesting in cardiff and other cities today .
ok