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SLUDGE FACTORY
No I will argue that as like me as you are white you can be disgusted to hear racist abuse or read about it and you cannot understand why it still takes place and you can try and fight it and report racist abuse if you hear it down the match and you can be a decent person and do what you did and write to that black athlete and apologise for the idiotic and ignorant racists but we cannot ever understand what black people go through when they are racially abused .
Don't be so ridiculous. Like all forms of abuse the reactions and feelings it creates will vary from person to person. The idea that some whitey couldn't possible understand just furthers any divide that already exists. There will always be arseholes saying horrible things but what we need to focus on is removing any tangible discriminatory barriers that any minority group faces. This will include shaming those who verbally abuse but it is far from the most important thing imo.
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I don’t think it’s whites people can’t comprehend how much of your life gets taken over by racism and how often you have to consider your actions based on your colour.
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Jordi Culé
Putting aside the current circumstances, I’m assuming the protestors are raging against what they see as institutionalised and systemic racism in society? The fact that our current PM seems to illustrate their points precisely and you wonder why all that anger is generated?
Did BoJo comment on violence at the Yaxley Lennon demonstrations back in November?
I’m not sure he did?
Well that's alright then, boris didn't tweet about one protest that turned violent so that makes this one ok.
Probably quite difficult for him to put current circumstances aside at the moment.
Other than comments there is no visible objection to the protests by anyone in power or the police on the day. Thugs attaching themselves to any cause for a bit of aggro is a shame.
The idea of people becoming angry and attacking our police force for something that happened thousands of miles away is ridiculous. Just thugs.
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Trigger
Well that's alright then, boris didn't tweet about one protest that turned violent so that makes this one ok.
Probably quite difficult for him to put current circumstances aside at the moment.
Other than comments there is no visible objection to the protests by anyone in power or the police on the day. Thugs attaching themselves to any cause for a bit of aggro is a shame.
The idea of people becoming angry and attacking our police force for something that happened thousands of miles away is ridiculous. Just thugs.
I tend to agree. George Floyd's death may have released pent up grievances here but they look maladroit given the situation in the country.
It has bizarrely given the likes of Johnson and Patel the opportunity to deflect responsibility for their own mismanagement and play some populist tunes. The culpability they rightly had for any public behaviours stemming from Cummings can now be projected onto the protests which can also be scapegoated for any inflammation in the virus rather than the relaxation measures that have recently been hastily introduced.
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This is an interesting article: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/06/h...ess/index.html
It reminds me how children are not born racist - what they become depends on their parents. I vividly remember a day when I was tracing my family history and I had to visit a library in Brixton in south London (long story!) and there was an infant school nearby. Two teachers were taking a class of little ones somewhere and they were walking along the pavement in pairs, girls, boys, black and white all mixed together hand-in-hand. It was a truly heart-warming sight, one which I will always remember. If only the world could be like that!
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Originally Posted by
Trigger
Well that's alright then, boris didn't tweet about one protest that turned violent so that makes this one ok.
Probably quite difficult for him to put current circumstances aside at the moment.
Other than comments there is no visible objection to the protests by anyone in power or the police on the day. Thugs attaching themselves to any cause for a bit of aggro is a shame.
The idea of people becoming angry and attacking our police force for something that happened thousands of miles away is ridiculous. Just thugs.
The fact Boris didn’t comment about Yaxley Lennon demonstrations sort of supports the point that the system is inherently racist and that racism is somewhat tolerated, especially as he’s got a comment to say about yesterday’s events. I’m cynical here and will add the hobbit was supporting Boris and Brexit at the time.
I acknowledge your point on him having difficulty putting the current circumstances aside as he’s managed to totally **** up the response and effectively waffled and blundered his way through it. He’ll be able to sleep at night though so don’t worry to much about Boris.
No protests should end in violence we both agree on that. In regards to people protesting about something that happened thousands of miles away? I think you’re missing the point, whether intentionally or through naivety? I think the death of Floyd is symbolic to the majority of protestors about how they view society. I’ll add I suppose you think campaigning against apartheid in South Africa was a waste of energy during the 60s/70s/80s and 90s?
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Jordi Culé
The fact Boris didn’t comment about Yaxley Lennon demonstrations sort of supports the point that the system is inherently racist and that racism is somewhat tolerated, especially as he’s got a comment to say about yesterday’s events. I’m cynical here and will add the hobbit was supporting Boris and Brexit at the time.
I acknowledge your point on him having difficulty putting the current circumstances aside as he’s managed to totally **** up the response and effectively waffled and blundered his way through it. He’ll be able to sleep at night though so don’t worry to much about Boris.
No protests should end in violence we both agree on that. In regards to people protesting about something that happened thousands of miles away? I think you’re missing the point, whether intentionally or through naivety? I think the death of Floyd is symbolic to the majority of protestors about how they view society. I’ll add I suppose you think campaigning against apartheid in South Africa was a waste of energy during the 60s/70s/80s and 90s?
No point missed.
I'm against the protests at the moment just because of the virus situation and the fact we have all been in lockdown since March. Protest in other ways, protest when it's safer to do so by all means.
It's those that turn these into battles with the police I'm against, it's pointless shouting abuse and hurling objects at the UK police for something that they had no part in.
Its not a waste of energy to protest about something that happened elsewhere that you feel strongly about, just not now for me and certainly it doesn't have to be in any way violent, achieves nothing.
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Trigger
No point missed.
I'm against the protests at the moment just because of the virus situation and the fact we have all been in lockdown since March. Protest in other ways, protest when it's safer to do so by all means.
It's those that turn these into battles with the police I'm against, it's pointless shouting abuse and hurling objects at the UK police for something that they had no part in.
Its not a waste of energy to protest about something that happened elsewhere that you feel strongly about, just not now for me and certainly it doesn't have to be in any way violent, achieves nothing.
It's about to get worse by the sounds of it. Tommy Robinson has made a "call to arms" for all of his neo-Nazi supporters to take to the streets next weekend to sort it all out with more violence. He won't be there, of course, as he's on bail (apparently).
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Trigger
No point missed.
I'm against the protests at the moment just because of the virus situation and the fact we have all been in lockdown since March. Protest in other ways, protest when it's safer to do so by all means.
It's those that turn these into battles with the police I'm against, it's pointless shouting abuse and hurling objects at the UK police for something that they had no part in.
Its not a waste of energy to protest about something that happened elsewhere that you feel strongly about, just not now for me and certainly it doesn't have to be in any way violent, achieves nothing.
I tend to agree with you in regards of the timing as I’m uneasy with the consequences that may result. We’ve already agreed in relation to any violence.
I just don’t think Boris is the right person to be commenting on people’s reactions towards racism.
I’m seeing this as a symbolic hands across the water moment for us.:biggrin:
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Heisenberg
It's about to get worse by the sounds of it. Tommy Robinson has made a "call to arms" for all of his neo-Nazi supporters to take to the streets next weekend to sort it all out with more violence. He won't be there, of course, as he's on bail (apparently).
What are they taking to the streets for? Because they think black lives don't matter? Or because of the pandemic?
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Croesy Blue
What are they taking to the streets for? Because they think black lives don't matter? Or because of the pandemic?
That's obviously the main one. Something to do with there not being any protests about muslim rapists and also something to do with Churchill's monument being vandalised, I think. Bit ironic, really. Bunch of people with swastika tattoos defending a monument of the leader of the UK at the time the Nazis were defeated.
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Heisenberg
That's obviously the main one. Something to do with there not being any protests about muslim rapists and also something to do with Churchill's monument being vandalised, I think. Bit ironic, really. Bunch of people with swastika tattoos defending a monument of the leader of the UK at the time the Nazis were defeated.
Morons :hehe:
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Heisenberg
It's about to get worse by the sounds of it. Tommy Robinson has made a "call to arms" for all of his neo-Nazi supporters to take to the streets next weekend to sort it all out with more violence. He won't be there, of course, as he's on bail (apparently).
Excellent news, clothing sales of Lonsdale, Superdry and snide Stone Island should provide a welcome stimulus to the economy plus I love watching middle aged, bald knobhead shout “No Surrender” before getting arrested and bitching the police like ****ing babies.
It’s always good to see Yaxley prepared to support the establishment on such matters.:biggrin:
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Jordi Culé
Excellent news, clothing sales of Lonsdale, Superdry and snide Stone Island should provide a welcome stimulus to the economy plus I love watching middle aged, bald knobhead shout “No Surrender” before getting arrested and bitching the police like ****ing babies.
It’s always good to see Yaxley prepared to support the establishment on such matters.:biggrin:
Out to protect the cenotaphs.:hehe:
Plymouth Argyle "lads" were pictured outside the cenotaph they were "protecting" in Plymouth yesterday. I hope they did a better job protecting it than they did the top of that hill in the 90s but you would know more about that than me. I only heard the story second hand and every time the story was told by our mutual friend he added another 20 Plymouth on.:hehe:
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I thought Gary Linekar was spot-on yesterday when he said supporters of political parties or more so if they were left or right wing, whatever your viewpoints, have become more tribal than football supporters.
He said at least football supporters can admit when their team have had a stinker and concede ground, but in politics it appears to be impossible for people to give any ground whatsoever and will try and defend the indefensible. On both sides people have become so extreme in their views that there is little chance of unity at the moment.
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J R Hartley
I thought Gary Linekar was spot-on yesterday when he said supporters of political parties or more so if they were left or right wing, whatever your viewpoints, have become more tribal than football supporters.
He said at least football supporters can admit when their team have had a stinker and concede ground, but in politics it appears to be impossible for people to give any ground whatsoever and will try and defend the indefensible. On both sides people have become so extreme in their views that there is little chance of unity at the moment.
What about people who are just curious about the truth?
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Wales-Bales
What about people who are just curious about the truth?
The truth? Pah! The truth is overated.
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Wales-Bales
What about people who are just curious about the truth?
You cant handle the truth! Son we live in a world that has walls, and those have to be guarded by men with guns.
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J R Hartley
I thought Gary Linekar was spot-on yesterday when he said supporters of political parties or more so if they were left or right wing, whatever your viewpoints, have become more tribal than football supporters.
He said at least football supporters can admit when their team have had a stinker and concede ground, but in politics it appears to be impossible for people to give any ground whatsoever and will try and defend the indefensible. On both sides people have become so extreme in their views that there is little chance of unity at the moment.
To be fair, croesy blue has been saying that on here for many months.
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lardy
To be fair, croesy blue has been saying that on here for many months.
It's true, people are afraid to criticise anything they've voted for.
You only have to look at vegetarian Bluematt defending choloronated chicken just because he voted for brexit. If we keep going this way politicians won't ever be held for account properly again because the only people speaking out against them would be the ones who never voted for them anyway.
I'm sure people had plenty of good reasons for voting brexit but I'd be surprised if what we've ended up with is anywhere near what any of them actually wanted.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-529...ying-every-day
Oh really? Like the average of 430 people a day who died of the COVID 19 pandemic in the UK? Oh come on please....a typical inflammatory headline from the media.
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lardy
To be fair, croesy blue has been saying that on here for many months.
I dont believe it. Croesy Blue is the enemy. I wont concede any ground. :hehe:
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Gofer Blue
It's a direct quote though :shrug:
Does the young lady say that only black people are dying and people in the UK aren't dying of Covid-19? If she did, I can see why you're non-plussed about it. (Spoiler: she said that there were two pandemics going on at the moment)
I'm getting the feeling that you just read the headline.
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Heisenberg
It's a direct quote though :shrug:
Does the young lady say that only black people are dying and people in the UK aren't dying of Covid-19? If she did, I can see why you're non-plussed about it. (Spoiler: she said that there were two pandemics going on at the moment)
I'm getting the feeling that you just read the headline.
People who just read the headline and then have a strong opinion are my other biggest annoyance :hehe:
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Croesy Blue
It's true, people are afraid to criticise anything they've voted for.
You only have to look at vegetarian Bluematt defending choloronated chicken just because he voted for brexit. If we keep going this way politicians won't ever be held for account properly again because the only people speaking out against them would be the ones who never voted for them anyway.
I'm sure people had plenty of good reasons for voting brexit but I'd be surprised if what we've ended up with is anywhere near what any of them actually wanted.
We haven't left the EU.
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J R Hartley
I dont believe it. Croesy Blue is the enemy. I wont concede any ground. :hehe:
Yeah I thought twice about sharing that :hehe:
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SLUDGE FACTORY
My mate lived in redland, by the high rise flats
He had his stag night in bristol and we walked down the hill from redland into the city centre and ended up in a west indian run club called the tropic
Redland is one of the poshest parts of Bristol, high rise flats.....nope
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Des Parrot
Greenbank, Bishopston & Ashley Hill for me. You were there at the time of the St.Paul's riot, same as me. The Tropic was in Stokes Croft, not far from the junction of City Rd & Cheltenham Rd
Did that become Lakota?
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goats
Redland is one of the poshest parts of Bristol, high rise flats.....nope
Redfield sorry , my mate lived on the edge of Barton hill, st lawrence
Rough
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Spoke to a friend in bristol today
Loads of people have been trying to get rid of that statue of the slave trader colston for years
Massive attack and most of the bristol bands refuse to play at the colston hall due to its name and links to slavery
The Colston trust is a charity in bristol that you can apply for Grants to
Most of the major charities in bristol dont have anything to do with it
Good on em
I wonder if the city council will put a new statue up ?
I cant see it happening