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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Wales-Bales
He clearly mentioned the BBC and mainstream newspapers, and that is where most people get their information that informs their opinions and view of the world..
Most people? That's debatable, but for the sake of argument let's say it's true. It still wasn't the question he asked, which was: "Why does no-one - least of all footballers, celebrities, the BBC, some mainstream newspapers..... protest against the Chinese."
He seems to believe it's down to "the power of the media." I don't agree at all. I believe it has far more to do with shared history, culture and identity.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Most people? That's debatable, but for the sake of argument let's say it's true. It still wasn't the question he asked, which was: "Why does no-one - least of all footballers, celebrities, the BBC, some mainstream newspapers..... protest against the Chinese."
He seems to believe it's down to "the power of the media." I don't agree at all. I believe it has far more to do with shared history, culture and identity.
jon1959 is a smart guy. If the power of the media doesn't exist, where did jon get his narrative from, and why does it match the false narrative that the mainstream media are promoting?
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Specifically the FBI Operation Crossfire Hurricane and the subsequent Mueller investigation. Jon's understanding of the situation matched what the major news outlets were putting out, which was essentially a false narrative.
What collision between the American state and Russia ?
Are you saying the FBI organisation is working for Russia ?
The Russians have whipped the Yanks arses, as regards espionage the Russians have manipulated and out manoeuvred the Yanks.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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trampie09
What collision between the American state and Russia ?
Are you saying the FBI organisation is working for Russia ?
The Russians have whipped the Yanks arses, as regards espionage the Russians have manipulated and out manoeuvred the Yanks.
No, they were working internally to sabotage the Trump presidency, although a few foreign allies did help out (not Russia).
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
No, they were working internally to sabotage the Trump presidency, although a few foreign allies did help out (not Russia).
That is an arse kicking for the Yanks dished out by the Russians, not collusion.
An example closer to home was the UK state collusion with Paramilitary gangs in Ireland, that is not the case in the States, the Russians just outsmarted the Yanks.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
jon1959 is a smart guy. If the power of the media doesn't exist, where did jon get his narrative from, and why does it match the false narrative that the mainstream media are promoting?
Who said 'the power of the media' doesn't exist? I certainly didn't.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Who said 'the power of the media' doesn't exist? I certainly didn't.
You wrote ... He seems to believe it's down to "the power of the media." I don't agree at all.
So where are people getting all of their false information from?
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You wrote ... He seems to believe it's down to "the power of the media." I don't agree at all.
So where are people getting all of their false information from?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
It seems you either can't understand plain English or you're desperately trying to frame my responses to Monkfish as being something they weren't. I didn't mention information, false or otherwise, and I didn't suggest the media isn't powerful either. It obviously is. However, I don't believe that has any relevance to the question asked.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You wrote ... He seems to believe it's down to "the power of the media." I don't agree at all.
So where are people getting all of their false information from?
Probably a different place to where you get all the truthful information.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
CCFCC3PO
Probably a different place to where you get all the truthful information.
There is a group of 5 or 6 people on here who have been posting knowingly wrong information for the past 3 years, and it was obviously all coming from the news media.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I have no idea what you're talking about.
It seems you either can't understand plain English or you're desperately trying to frame my responses to Monkfish as being something they weren't. I didn't mention information, false or otherwise, and I didn't suggest the media isn't powerful either. It obviously is. However, I don't believe that has any relevance to the question asked.
Yeah, best to stay out of it, it's obviously over your head.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Wales-Bales
Yeah, best to stay out of it, it's obviously over your head.
You're quite amusing in a your own way. You genuinely seem to believe you're highly intelligent, but time and time again your own posts betray you and clearly demonstrate that in fact you're pretty stupid. That's obvious from this thread alone, in which one of your first responses was not to answer the question, but to answer what you wanted the question to be so it would fit with your world view.
People in the UK are not failing to protest about Chinese breaches of human rights because, and I quote: "the media are focussing on the event that they hope will end Trump's presidency." The brutal truth of the matter is that the British public are not protesting about Chinese breaches of human rights because they don't care enough about what's happening in China.
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There isn't a more racist country in the world than china..imo
They recently hounded and rejected a whole black community that was working in china and blaming them for the spread of the virus.
We look in the other direction because we want all our cheap goodies from china.that now produce everything at half the price.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
There's been wall to wall TV coverage of the George Floyd protests for a week now. Yet there were also protests in France and some other countries for a year by the Gilet Jaune with tens of thousands protesting each weekend sometimes in the hundreds of thousands (high numbers injured and some deaths) ,yet virtually no TV coverage. Strange that innit? I wonder why?
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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ihatealiens2
There's been wall to wall TV coverage of the George Floyd protests for a week now. Yet there were also protests in France and some other countries for a year by the Gilet Jaune with tens of thousands protesting each weekend sometimes in the hundreds of thousands (high numbers injured and some deaths) ,yet virtually no TV coverage. Strange that innit? I wonder why?
Virtually no TV coverage? Are you serious?!?
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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ihatealiens2
There's been wall to wall TV coverage of the George Floyd protests for a week now. Yet there were also protests in France and some other countries for a year by the Gilet Jaune with tens of thousands protesting each weekend sometimes in the hundreds of thousands (high numbers injured and some deaths) ,yet virtually no TV coverage. Strange that innit? I wonder why?
The 'Yellow Vest' protests?
They were a regular feature of TV coverage.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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The Lone Gunman
Virtually no TV coverage? Are you serious?!?
By comparison yes. If you were to ask the ordinary man in the street if they knew anything about Gilet Jaune most would say they have never heard of it. There was plenty of stuff on the internet about Gilet Jaune much of it since removed.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
Rock_Flock_of_Five
The 'Yellow Vest' protests?
They were a regular feature of TV coverage.
I watched a lot of the Gilet Jaune live coverage on Ruptly because there was naff all on MSM at the time.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
ihatealiens2
There's been wall to wall TV coverage of the George Floyd protests for a week now. Yet there were also protests in France and some other countries for a year by the Gilet Jaune with tens of thousands protesting each weekend sometimes in the hundreds of thousands (high numbers injured and some deaths) ,yet virtually no TV coverage. Strange that innit? I wonder why?
Yes many observers noted the lack of main stream coverage over the yellow vest riots, in this country and in many cases across the World including France.
My guess is it was a populist uprising, not just left wing and the powers that be are right wing and they don't want to show right wing protests against right wing neoliberal capitalist Governments.
They will show protests in Hong Kong against communist China mind you.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
trampie09
Yes many observers noted the lack of main stream coverage over the yellow vest riots, in this country and in many cases across the World including France.
My guess is it was a populist uprising, not just left wing and the powers that be are right wing and they don't want to show right wing protests against right wing neoliberal capitalist Governments.
They will show protests in Hong Kong against communist China mind you.
Many people would be surprised to hear there were 1900 injuries during the french protests including 24 eyes lost and five hands removed among other horrific injuries and even some deaths although there is some argument whether those deaths were directly attributed to the protests. I guess what I'm trying to say is that by comparison there is a huge disparity in TV coverage between the American and French protests and I am posing the question why that would be the case? Makes no sense to me. Which is why I now prefer to do my own research rather than watch distorted TV coverage.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
ihatealiens2
Many people would be surprised to hear there were 1900 injuries during the french protests including 24 eyes lost and five hands removed among other horrific injuries and even some deaths although there is some argument whether those deaths were directly attributed to the protests. I guess what I'm trying to say is that by comparison there is a huge disparity in TV coverage between the American and French protests and I am posing the question why that would be the case? Makes no sense to me. Which is why I now prefer to do my own research rather than watch distorted TV coverage.
Yes it's a very good question, I think the right wing run most Governments across the World, the media are mainly on the right and it doesn't sit well to have populist riots in a right wing country, unless the rioters are left wing then that could be spun that the rioters are baddies or if the rioters are protesting against a left wing Government then that can be protrayed as the rioters are persecuted.
In America the rioters in the main are being protrayed as left wing (apparently there are right wing agitators in the mix causing trouble) so it's getting reported.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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ihatealiens2
Many people would be surprised to hear there were 1900 injuries during the french protests including 24 eyes lost and five hands removed among other horrific injuries and even some deaths although there is some argument whether those deaths were directly attributed to the protests. I guess what I'm trying to say is that by comparison there is a huge disparity in TV coverage between the American and French protests and I am posing the question why that would be the case? Makes no sense to me. Which is why I now prefer to do my own research rather than watch distorted TV coverage.
I think it's a cultural thing. How much news of any description (good or bad) do we see regarding our closest neighbours? Very little in respect of France, The Netherlands and Belgium. How many people in Dover know much about what is happening twenty miles away in Calais?
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
ihatealiens2
There's been wall to wall TV coverage of the George Floyd protests for a week now. Yet there were also protests in France and some other countries for a year by the Gilet Jaune with tens of thousands protesting each weekend sometimes in the hundreds of thousands (high numbers injured and some deaths) ,yet virtually no TV coverage. Strange that innit? I wonder why?
Where are you getting your news?! It was on non stop, we even had the british far right start wear the same vests after it
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Croesy Blue
Where are you getting your news?! It was on non stop, we even had the british far right start wear the same vests after it
Lots of observers commented and articles were written about the lack of coverage of the French riots that it merited, it should have been wall to wall coverage for months, for some reason it was under reported and people are trying to work out why.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
ihatealiens2
There's been wall to wall TV coverage of the George Floyd protests for a week now. Yet there were also protests in France and some other countries for a year by the Gilet Jaune with tens of thousands protesting each weekend sometimes in the hundreds of thousands (high numbers injured and some deaths) ,yet virtually no TV coverage. Strange that innit? I wonder why?
a) The Gilet Jaune protests were very well covered, please see this link as a breakdown of just some of the times they were featured in reports, with links to clips https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-vest-protests
b) As you've said, the Black Lives Matter protests have been going on for 5 days, if you think they'll still be getting the same amount of coverage as they are now if they're still going on in a month then you've got a very poor understanding of how news cycles work, especially when it comes to things that happen outside of this country. Add to that they're mostly happening in the country we're culturally closest to and it doesn't really take anyone who's not a complete idiot to understand why it's leading the news at the moment.
c) I'll tell you what is strange "innit", you've literally made something up - "virtually no TV coverage" - just so you can be negative about the BLM protests. But rather than saying that you don't like seeing those black people protest because you know that's not really a good look for you, you've tried to be clever and gone "yeah but what about this, isn't that interesting, I wonder why that is hmmm ehhhh?."
d) Don't ever try to be clever again, it's gone awfully for you.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
There's also the fact that civil rights movements should be huge news.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
ihatealiens2
By comparison yes. If you were to ask the ordinary man in the street if they knew anything about Gilet Jaune most would say they have never heard of it. There was plenty of stuff on the internet about Gilet Jaune much of it since removed.
Probably the elders of the internet who removed it.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
a) The Gilet Jaune protests were very well covered, please see this link as a breakdown of just some of the times they were featured in reports, with links to clips
https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-vest-protests
b) As you've said, the Black Lives Matter protests have been going on for 5 days, if you think they'll still be getting the same amount of coverage as they are now if they're still going on in a month then you've got a very poor understanding of how news cycles work, especially when it comes to things that happen outside of this country. Add to that they're mostly happening in the country we're culturally closest to and it doesn't really take anyone who's not a complete idiot to understand why it's leading the news at the moment.
c) I'll tell you what is strange "innit", you've literally made something up - "virtually no TV coverage" - just so you can be negative about the BLM protests. But rather than saying that you don't like seeing those black people protest because you know that's not really a good look for you, you've tried to be clever and gone "yeah but what about this, isn't that interesting, I wonder why that is hmmm ehhhh?."
d) Don't ever try to be clever again, it's gone awfully for you.
I read the link as damning about the coverage, first of all they recognise a widely held view that there was a lack of coverage that is why they looked into it, secondly they don't seem to dispute the accusation of a lack of coverage, they say that certain news channels covered the story on certain days but that with respect to them misses the point that the situation merited far more coverage for far longer periods than actually happened, also I remember at the time from social media and some more obscure news outlets people talking about serious incidents that was not getting reported by the main stream media over here at all.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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trampie09
I read the link as damning about the coverage
But of course you did, you're you. You're the type of person who can see someone saying there's been "virtually no tv coverage" and then be shown evidence of loads of tv coverage and say it proves that there was no virtually no tv coverage. Which is one of the many reason why it's pointless talking to you.
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Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.
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delmbox
But of course you did, you're you. You're the type of person who can see someone saying there's been "virtually no tv coverage" and then be shown evidence of loads of tv coverage and say it proves that there was no virtually no tv coverage. Which is one of the many reason why it's pointless talking to you.
I don't agree that there was virtually no tv coverage, but I don't think there was as much tv coverage as there should have been.