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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Let's just have working from home as a default option if possible in wales, then problem solved
How do we have the conversation on redundancies for lower paid workers such as bus drivers , coffee houses , eateries etc ,all who make money provide jobs from city center workers , we could see less public transport as a result and create a ghost town with just cheap kebabs eat outs , and pound shops , suppose we could blame the UK government for that one .
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
How do we have the conversation on redundancies for lower paid workers such as bus drivers , coffee houses , eateries etc ,all who make money provide jobs from city center workers , we could see less public transport as a result and create a ghost town with just cheap kebabs eat outs , and pound shops , suppose we could blame the UK government for that one .
I;ve eaten out at lunchtime about as much as I do working from home as I would in the office, just more likely to spend my money in a local cafe or restaurant than in a greggs or subway.
Also I've done more shopping now I'm able to structure my day more flexibly (not that I do much)
Make working from home the norm at least half the week and you have other benefits, like people can commute further if they aren't doing it every day, so more money could make it way into the valleys towns from Cardiff - and then into valleys cafes and restaurants for lunches.
I don't think the uptake of working from home would ever be enough to make cardiff centre a ghost town
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
The metro system is not about the centre of the city, it is about giving people in the Valleys and the outlying towns and districts around the city access quickly cleanly and efficiently to the city centre. That is the way you reduce the congestion and improve the air quality.
But this council will attack car users all day long but give people no viable alternative. People living in llandrumney and the east of the city have no chance.
The station can take more trains than it does now. you can go in there at many times of the day and see the empty platforms. a lot of The system that needs upgrading is already bringing trains into it, there just needs to be more. If they made some of the upper valley lines 2 line so trains could pass it might help, but to start doing that now will take years.
The city was about 250,000 when I was a boy and has been growing ever since, so they have had 60 years to get this somewhere near right and they have done nothing.
All they do is attack car users as I said. As in another thread, I believe this council is destroying my home city.
What really rankles is that they know what they are doing and are doing it deliberately.
They'd rather waste money putting tree pots in Wellfield road and obstructing the buses than do something about getting people to work efficiently
Just because there are empty platforms doesn't necessarily mean there is room in the lines, unless you want them to start hopping over one another as they travel up and down the valley lines.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I;ve eaten out at lunchtime about as much as I do working from home as I would in the office, just more likely to spend my money in a local cafe or restaurant than in a greggs or subway.
Also I've done more shopping now I'm able to structure my day more flexibly (not that I do much)
Make working from home the norm at least half the week and you have other benefits, like people can commute further if they aren't doing it every day, so more money could make it way into the valleys towns from Cardiff - and then into valleys cafes and restaurants for lunches.
I don't think the uptake of working from home would ever be enough to make cardiff centre a ghost town
Hope your right, and the WAG and Council have a plan to manage it in a good way that considers everyone not just office workers best interests .
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Just because there are empty platforms doesn't necessarily mean there is room in the lines, unless you want them to start hopping over one another as they travel up and down the valley lines.
As I said, if some of the valley lines were made 2 track instead of single track they wouldn't need to hop over each other.
Also everything that stop at Queen St doesn't stop or need to stop at Central..
There is room and time, it just takes planning, which this council appears to be incapable of.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
A light railway line could be built up the Rhymney River valley, that would serve Llanedeyrn, Pentwyn, Llanrumney, and Pontprennau, and even further. There's nothing in the way, so it could be done fairly easily. Will it happen? Will it f**k.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
tforturton
A light railway line could be built up the Rhymney River valley, that would serve Llanedeyrn, Pentwyn, Llanrumney, and Pontprennau, and even further. There's nothing in the way, so it could be done fairly easily. Will it happen? Will it f**k.
aren't there a shit load of houses in the way?
I mean I'd love to see it but I'm sure they've considered this
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
The city planners just don’t plan!!! Cardiff’s suburbs are relatively new compared to a lot of other UK cities, Ely is perhaps coming up a hundred years old perhaps ( not old really) but Caerau, Fairwater (especially Pentrebane), Danescourt etc to the west, Llanrumney, Rumney, Trowbridge, St Mellon’s etc to the east, not to mention Pentwyn, Llanedeyrn, Pontprennau etc and now there the newer estates under construction. When these estates were being developed massive groundworks were taking place, huge excavations yet the city planners didn’t think to plan ahead!!!!! Perhaps an underground system could have been incorporated, certainly some kind of transport system other than the pitiful road systems we have. OK there would have been disruption and a bit of chaos when these new systems reached the older inner city suburbs but places like Manchester, Sheffield etc overcame the problems and they now reap the benefits. One glaring example of shite planning is Llanrumney, a huge estate, God knows how many people live there, two cars or more per household perhaps, Eastern Avenue can be seen across the fields from the bottom of the estate yet there are only two ways in and out, Mount Pleasant Avenue & Llanrumney Avenue... madness!! Our city planners couldn’t plan a trip to Barry Island!!!
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
Great pity that they ripped up the tracks the coal trains from the valleys, that used to run through Llanishen, ROATH and Splott.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Great pity that they ripped up the tracks the coal trains from the valleys, that used to run through Llanishen, ROATH and Splott.
Exactly, as I keep banging on about, what are our city planners planning? Before a brick is laid on a house the plans are in place to get the shit out of it long before a flush is pulled, yet the bricks have been laid on thousands of Cardiff houses with no clue how to allow the residents to easily travel away from them.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Great pity that they ripped up the tracks the coal trains from the valleys, that used to run through Llanishen, ROATH and Splott.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Exactly, as I keep banging on about, what are our city planners planning? Before a brick is laid on a house the plans are in place to get the shit out of it long before a flush is pulled, yet the bricks have been laid on thousands of Cardiff houses with no clue how to allow the residents to easily travel away from them.
Exactly Steve :thumbup:
They even built houses, where the tracks used to be over the Sandies (fields behind Newport Road, for our younger viewers)
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
Cars are the main problem, as is the regimented 8 to 5, pointless job, work regime. Also the shortsightedness that blights every city council. What we need is the.. Monorail!
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
clearly offside ¯\_(?)
Cars are the main problem, as is the regimented 8 to 5, pointless job, work regime. Also the shortsightedness that blights every city council. What we need is the.. Monorail!
Cars are the answer. Complete lack of a viable public transport infrastructure is the problem.
Solve that problem and a lot of the cars will stay in their driveways.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
clearly offside ¯\_(?)
Cars are the main problem, as is the regimented 8 to 5, pointless job, work regime. Also the shortsightedness that blights every city council. What we need is the.. Monorail!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDOI0cq6GZM
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54219886
More than 20% of jobs could be axed from Cardiff's council-owned bus operator due to a drop in passengers because of the coronavirus crisis.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
However if they attempted to revert the public transport to pre-virus levels they may get more people using it and less using their cars.
Axing bus jobs and reducing the service is just about typical of this council sending signals out to encourage people to leave their cars at home and use public transport.
It beggars belief!
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54474753
Cardiff has seen the weakest post-lockdown return of shoppers of any city apart from London, research suggests.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
Popped in today. It’s like a ghost town, full of miserable looking people. The complete opposite of a year ago. God knows what it will be like in another few months when most restaurants and bars have gone bust. Even normally busy shops like Next are deserted. Really missing the large numbers of office workers like London is....
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
All the people are rushing to Castle Street to have a cold panini
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
The city planners just don’t plan!!! Cardiff’s suburbs are relatively new compared to a lot of other UK cities, Ely is perhaps coming up a hundred years old perhaps ( not old really) but Caerau, Fairwater (especially Pentrebane), Danescourt etc to the west, Llanrumney, Rumney, Trowbridge, St Mellon’s etc to the east, not to mention Pentwyn, Llanedeyrn, Pontprennau etc and now there the newer estates under construction. When these estates were being developed massive groundworks were taking place, huge excavations yet the city planners didn’t think to plan ahead!!!!! Perhaps an underground system could have been incorporated, certainly some kind of transport system other than the pitiful road systems we have. OK there would have been disruption and a bit of chaos when these new systems reached the older inner city suburbs but places like Manchester, Sheffield etc overcame the problems and they now reap the benefits. One glaring example of shite planning is Llanrumney, a huge estate, God knows how many people live there, two cars or more per household perhaps, Eastern Avenue can be seen across the fields from the bottom of the estate yet there are only two ways in and out, Mount Pleasant Avenue & Llanrumney Avenue... madness!! Our city planners couldn’t plan a trip to Barry Island!!!
The population of Llanrumney is around 11,000.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
Just to put an alternative view, those of you criticising the council about train capacity, they don't have any control over that.
And as for the suggestion city planners should have thought about an underground system, who precisely is to pick up the tab which is likely to be billions? The council? Then you'd be complaining about council tax hikes assuming teh small proportion of council income that comes from council tax could cover it
Im not saying the council are blameless but the problem is a complex one and includes issues around UK govt policy as well as the economics of developing land and the private sector development industry
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In Edinburgh there is a sign near the castle saying something along the lines of city planners one hundred years ago were forward thinking so modern day Edinburgh is still benefiting today and is a tourist hotspot.
Cardiff over past five-ten years has been the opposite of that. Apart from chasing easy and quick money, can anyone make the case for moving the BBC, tax office from out of centre locations right into the middle without adding capacity to travel networks when there was already high levels of congestion? On top of that you have made the city uglier with a series of empty, cheap, high-rise student accommodation where most always planned to switch their use.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
El Gwapo
Just to put an alternative view, those of you criticising the council about train capacity, they don't have any control over that.
And as for the suggestion city planners should have thought about an underground system, who precisely is to pick up the tab which is likely to be billions? The council? Then you'd be complaining about council tax hikes assuming teh small proportion of council income that comes from council tax could cover it
Im not saying the council are blameless but the problem is a complex one and includes issues around UK govt policy as well as the economics of developing land and the private sector development industry
Council tax equates to about 1/5 of their budget.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Council tax equates to about 1/5 of their budget.
Thanks, Im surprised its even that amount. The City Council budget is prob a few hundred million and that has to cover everything from schools to social services to bin collections to road maintenance to trading standards etc
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
There's another issue that needs to be addressed. The UK government have changed council funding in that they are now able to keep more business rates in exchange for less money from central government.
Needless to say, this swap hasn't been a fair one for many councils, who have seen the amount lost from central funding has not remotely been replaced by the amount they can raise through keeping business rates.
With further cuts from Westminster to come in exchange for keeping yet more business rates, council income will plunge further in many areas, particularly poorer ones. If Covid has an effect on business rates, councils may well not even be able to provide the most basic services.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
El Gwapo
Just to put an alternative view, those of you criticising the council about train capacity, they don't have any control over that.
And as for the suggestion city planners should have thought about an underground system, who precisely is to pick up the tab which is likely to be billions? The council? Then you'd be complaining about council tax hikes assuming teh small proportion of council income that comes from council tax could cover it
Im not saying the council are blameless but the problem is a complex one and includes issues around UK govt policy as well as the economics of developing land and the private sector development industry
Yes the problem is a complex one but talking about it for years, like the metro system, (Which in generations to come will be one of the fairy tales told to children growing up, here in Wales. (See what I did there?) ) is no substitute for actually dealing with the problem
If things had been done years ago and public transport systems developed as the city grew the problem wouldn't be anywhere near as complex as their total lack of action has made it now.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
That's hardly surprising. No one can get close enough in their car to go shopping and the buses no longer run into the centre of the city, due to the Council's brilliant lockdown redesigning of the road network.
And now the picnic area outside the castle has become redundant (They admit that) due to the change in the weather the council is having a meeting to try to find excuses to keep castle street closed permanently, as I said they would when they first closed it One of the reasons mooted was that they need somewhere for the Christmas market! WTF is wrong with where it is now?
And for a councilor to seriously suggest closing a major city artery so a temporary market can be put there for 4 week out of 52 is just ridiculous.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
El Gwapo
Just to put an alternative view, those of you criticising the council about train capacity, they don't have any control over that.
And as for the suggestion city planners should have thought about an underground system, who precisely is to pick up the tab which is likely to be billions? The council? Then you'd be complaining about council tax hikes assuming teh small proportion of council income that comes from council tax could cover it
Im not saying the council are blameless but the problem is a complex one and includes issues around UK govt policy as well as the economics of developing land and the private sector development industry
If you read my post, it’s a dig a city planners, obviously an underground system would cost billions now but if it had been incorporated into the huge excavations that took place during the construction of our estates (which are relatively new compared to some other cities) it may have been viable. These estates were built and are still being built without a thought for traffic dispersal. There’s been miles of old rail track that’s disappeared, why didn’t our planners, people who are supposed to be planning ahead, think ‘hang on, let’s leave these tracks down, they may come in handy one day?’
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...l-way-19081090
Plans have been revealed to reopen Cardiff city centre's canals as the council sets outs its vision to tackle climate change over the next decade.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
If you read my post, it’s a dig a city planners, obviously an underground system would cost billions now but if it had been incorporated into the huge excavations that took place during the construction of our estates (which are relatively new compared to some other cities) it may have been viable. These estates were built and are still being built without a thought for traffic dispersal. There’s been miles of old rail track that’s disappeared, why didn’t our planners, people who are supposed to be planning ahead, think ‘hang on, let’s leave these tracks down, they may come in handy one day?’
If you think excavating for an underground can be coupled with a raft for some houses then I think you’re way off. If you read my post you’d see I accept the council aren’t blameless but it’s niaive to blame planners who ultimately answer to their political masters