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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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LeningradCowboy
"more trees could be planted...to increase biodiversity ." Very nice. Much more important than an M4 relief road..
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
"more trees could be planted...to increase biodiversity ." Very nice. Much more important than an M4 relief road..
Build and M4 relief road now and in 5-10 years you'd need an M4 relief road part 2, repeat for part 3 etc. Not have everything crammed into one small centre, build up good public transport and you have longer term planning which fits needs of our commitment to tackling climate change.
I wonder how many people concerned about shops in the city centre bought 99+% of their items online before this year anyway?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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LeningradCowboy
What canals ?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Enoch Mort
What canals ?
From the photo I saw attached to the article about it, it is in fact the feeder which was bled off the River to feed the Alexandra (I think) dock to keep the water level up at low tide.
It also provided water to the castle moat.
It still flows behind the castle under Kingsway, along the back of Greyfriars road behind the railings, then it goes under Park Place and turns right and flows underground down the back of the park hotel and straight down the middle of Churchill Way. That part was covered up in the early 70's I think but is still there. It the goes underground again but comes out at the hump back bridge on Hurbert Street before feeding into the dock.
If you look on Google you can see where it is still above ground in blackweir/Bute Park and then after Kingsway. The bit that goes under Kingsway has always be covered I believe. It starts where the river bridge crosses from Pontcanna to Balckweir.
The old Glamorganshire canal is long long gone and there was another but that is also gone.
The Glamorganshire canal came down from the valleys and had one of the longest series of locks ever built. It flowed past the old Melingriffith tin works and round Haley Park, crossing the Road at the Cow and Snuffers before flowing down on the edge of what is now Gabalfa.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Cars are the answer.
But what's the question? How to **** up your only available planet?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
From the photo I saw attached to the article about it, it is in fact the feeder which was bled off the River to feed the Alexandra (I think) dock to keep the water level up at low tide.
It also provided water to the castle moat.
It still flows behind the castle under Kingsway, along the back of Greyfriars road behind the railings, then it goes under Park Place and turns right and flows underground down the back of the park hotel and straight down the middle of Churchill Way. That part was covered up in the early 70's I think but is still there. It the goes underground again but comes out at the hump back bridge on Hurbert Street before feeding into the dock.
If you look on Google you can see where it is still above ground in blackweir/Bute Park and then after Kingsway. The bit that goes under Kingsway has always be covered I believe. It starts where the river bridge crosses from Pontcanna to Balckweir.
The old Glamorganshire canal is long long gone and there was another but that is also gone.
The Glamorganshire canal came down from the valleys and had one of the longest series of locks ever built. It flowed past the old Melingriffith tin works and round Haley Park, crossing the Road at the Cow and Snuffers before flowing down on the edge of what is now Gabalfa.
Indeed, there only ever was one canal in Cardiff and that’s filled in (apart from Forest Farm I think and I can remember the stretch at what is now North Rd car park)In my lifetime, until now, I don’t know of anyone who has referred to the Docks Feeder as a “canal”. Never intended for navigation to my knowledge. In the summer of 1977 there wasn’t much water coming off the Taff at Blackweir so another summer like that and the “Feeder” Quarter at Churchill Way will not be resembling Amsterdam.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
Enoch Mort
Indeed, there only ever was one canal in Cardiff and that’s filled in (apart from Forest Farm I think and I can remember the stretch at what is now North Rd car park)In my lifetime, until now, I don’t know of anyone who has referred to the Docks Feeder as a “canal”. Never intended for navigation to my knowledge. In the summer of 1977 there wasn’t much water coming off the Taff at Blackweir so another summer like that and the “Feeder” Quarter at Churchill Way will not be resembling Amsterdam.
There was the Glamorganshire canal which, as you say, stops now north of the city. The other Cardiff canal is the feeder canal which was used to convey water from the River Taff to the docks. Not built for boats, it none the less qualifies as a 'canal'.
If and when it is opened up again in Churchill Way it could well liven up a relatively unattractive part of the city centre. On the down side the southern end of Churchill Way is a main route for traffic, so yet an other pain in the backside for drivers trying to get across the city.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
If they only restore what was it won't be. It never went that far above ground
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
If they only restore what was it won't be. It never went that far above ground
Pardon ?????
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Pardon ?????
Wot?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
2 weeks ago I videoed the whole length of it at 7pm on a Sunday
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You need a hobby
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
If they only restore what was it won't be. It never went that far above ground
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BLUETIT
Pardon ?????
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Wot?
I respect everything that you have written on this topic and Castle Street, BUT, these sentences may sound great in your head, BUT read them back.
They make no sense at all :shrug:
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
You need a hobby
I was walking home, which is one of my hobbies, now Cardiff City Council have moved my bus stop :wave:
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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BLUETIT
I was walking home, which is one of my hobbies, now Cardiff City Council have moved my bus stop :wave:
How far from the original spot have they moved it?
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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az city
But what's the question? How to **** up your only available planet?
you take apart of my answer out of context to make a cheap point. Waste of space.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
I respect everything that you have written on this topic and Castle Street, BUT, these sentences may sound great in your head, BUT read them back.
They make no sense at all :shrug:
The poster said if they restore the canal in Churchill way it will mess up the traffic at the end. I point out that if they only uncover what was originally uncovered it will not in fact disrupt the traffic. It always went underground before that point and re-emerged just north of Hurbert St as already mentioned. Any further explanation required, please ask.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Tuerto
How far from the original spot have they moved it?
From what is supposed to be the Central Bus Station, (still waiting, what is it now 20 years ?), to Greyfriers.
It's not to bad for me, as I treat walking as an exercise, but for people older (i'm 69), infirm, mothers with kids, I can see it's a right pain in the backside
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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xsnaggle
The poster said if they restore the canal in Churchill way it will mess up the traffic at the end. I point out that if they only uncover what was originally uncovered it will not in fact disrupt the traffic. It always went underground before that point and re-emerged just north of Hurbert St as already mentioned. Any further explanation required, please ask.
It wasn't underground, it was an actual canal with barges on it.
It pointless trying to explain it, as it doesn't make any sense, even when you've tried to explain it.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
From what is supposed to be the Central Bus Station, (still waiting, what is it now 20 years ?), to Greyfriers.
It's not to bad for me, as I treat walking as an exercise, but for people older (i'm 69), infirm, mothers with kids, I can see it's a right pain in the backside
I suppose it depends where people want to be. Same thing was said when st marys street was pedestrianised. Greyfriars rd is central for the shops etc. Do you mean connecting bus routes, to the west of the city etc? Don't buses stop in Westgate st? Does the city circle bus still run? Incidentally, we do need a central bus station.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Tuerto
I suppose it depends where people want to be. Same thing was said when st marys street was pedestrianised. Greyfriars rd is central for the shops etc. Do you mean connecting bus routes, to the west of the city etc? Don't buses stop in Westgate st? Does the city circle bus still run? Incidentally, we do need a central bus station.
What is the point of a bus station where planned if the buses can't get to it without driving all the way round the outside of the city to get to it?
with regard to the pedestrianising of St Mary St (see what I did there?) at the time that occurred it was against the wishes of the traders, and the night before it was due to be passed the councilor responsible for planning it and pushing it through resigned just before a vote of no confidence in him was taken. That having happened they still proceeded. Totally stupid.
St Mary St now is dead compared to the people who used to visit the shops there 15 years ago. Another bit of the city ruined. And that demise feeds into the demise of Caste/Duke St and the Castle Arcade.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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BLUETIT
It wasn't underground, it was an actual canal with barges on it.
It pointless trying to explain it, as it doesn't make any sense, even when you've tried to explain it.
It wasn't a canal, it is a feeder for the Alexandra dock, built specifically from the Taff at blackweir to the dock to keep the water level up at low tides.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Tuerto
I suppose it depends where people want to be. Same thing was said when st marys street was pedestrianised. Greyfriars rd is central for the shops etc. Do you mean connecting bus routes, to the west of the city etc? Don't buses stop in Westgate st? Does the city circle bus still run? Incidentally, we do need a central bus station.
Lovely isn't it, sending visitors to our wonderful city, to Sophia Gardens.
Just right to get mugged, walking into city centre in the dark.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
What is the point of a bus station where planned if the buses can't get to it without driving all the way round the outside of the city to get to it?
with regard to the pedestrianising of St Mary St (see what I did there?) at the time that occurred it was against the wishes of the traders, and the night before it was due to be passed the councilor responsible for planning it and pushing it through resigned just before a vote of no confidence in him was taken. That having happened they still proceeded. Totally stupid.
St Mary St now is dead compared to the people who used to visit the shops there 15 years ago. Another bit of the city ruined. And that demise feeds into the demise of Caste/Duke St and the Castle Arcade.
Right, so i'm presuming that the bus station was planned to go back in it's original position? If so, then why would buses have to drive all the way round the city to get to it? There are access roads, and quite frankly, cardiff aint Mexico City. As for St Mary's St, do you have evidence of a drop off in trade due to the pedestrianisation? Not just anecdotal.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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xsnaggle
with regard to the pedestrianising of St Mary St (see what I did there?)
Nope.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
There was the Glamorganshire canal which, as you say, stops now north of the city. The other Cardiff canal is the feeder canal which was used to convey water from the River Taff to the docks. Not built for boats, it none the less qualifies as a 'canal'..
Perhaps the Churchill Way “Canal” will be the new Chippy Lane in terms of naming controversy
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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goats
Not to mention the 20,30/000 houses they are already starting to build in the western suburbs, wanting to add another 100k to the existing population. From Radyr out to st fagans and creigiau it’s madness. No thought to infrastructure to get commuters in an already grid lock llantrisant rd or through fairwater.
Agreed, although I'm happy enough living in the Rhondda, I'd still prefer to live in Cardiff if I could afford it, but I wasn't unhappy moving from Fairwater because it was easy to see what was coming and, as you say, it was bad enough before the building began.
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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BLUETIT
Lovely isn't it, sending visitors to our wonderful city, to Sophia Gardens.
Just right to get mugged, walking into city centre in the dark.
You're stretching it a bit now. How many tourists have been mugged or harassed due to the change? If you recall, the central bus station was frequented by some lovely characters, There was a problem there with male prostitution, alcoholics etc, i'd take my chances at Sophia gardens.
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Heisenberg
Nope.
Neither did i.
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Heisenberg
Nope.
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Tuerto
Neither did i.
I'm still waiting on a translation as well (from a different post, may I add) :hehe:
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Re: Cardiff's staggered work hours plan to cut city centre congestion
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the other bob wilson
Agreed, although I'm happy enough living in the Rhondda, I'd still prefer to live in Cardiff if I could afford it, but I wasn't unhappy moving from Fairwater because it was easy to see what was coming and, as you say, it was bad enough before the building began.
Come on Bob, we all know that you're going to make a fortune from your book :hehe: I'm going to order it this evening :thumbup: