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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
lardy
There is absolutely no question that Trump had covid earlier than the announced positive test. If he is being tested every day, then he will have had a previous positive test. If he's not tested every day, and they are simply testing everyone who is in contact with him (as testing is unpleasant) then they have lied.
It is not possible that he could first be positive on Thursday evening and then be transferred to a hospital 24 hours later - when he is already living in a building that contains first class medical facilities!
People don't become so ill that quickly with covid. That's why it's so infectious, because people are fine for a while after catching it.
What are we suggesting here, that the fluorescent apricot coloured, narcissistic fuuckwit didn’t adhere to any protocols or guidelines to pursue his own agenda and needs and thoughtlessly put others in danger because he’s a self centred colossal cuunt?
Whilst others will celebrate and suggest it’s a clever election strategy and he’s bucking the system. *strokes chin*
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
There was a doctor on BBc this morning who said just watching the way he is standing, he is struggling to breathe. I hope she is right and I hope it gets more difficult.
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
What are we suggesting here, that the fluorescent apricot coloured, narcissistic fuuckwit didn’t adhere to any protocols or guidelines to pursue his own agenda and needs and thoughtlessly put others in danger because he’s a self centred colossal cuunt?
Whilst others will celebrate and suggest it’s a clever election strategy and he’s bucking the system. *strokes chin*
Whilst maybe not using quite the same language as the above, I have to agree with these basic sentiments. I'm not sure all this fighting talk from Trump about beating the virus will go down well with the 200,000 families who have lost loved ones due to COVID. People who did not have access to the same healthcare provision as the president.
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
He's definitely not 100% better but I don't think he'd be making the big pronouncements about beating it that he's been making if they weren't pretty sure he was on the mend.
Saying that he is an absolute headcase so you can't take anything for granted
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
He's definitely not 100% better but I don't think he'd be making the big pronouncements about beating it that he's been making if they weren't pretty sure he was on the mend.
Saying that he is an absolute headcase so you can't take anything for granted
That's exactly what he'd be doing :hehe:
A few days ago he was on a cocktail of experimental drugs. A fat 74 year old doesn't beat it that quick. But his persona relies on him being a superman. That's why he always uses the word 'strong' and talks about his good genes.
He won't allow anything that makes him look weak, even though all but his biggest enemies would sympathise with him saying 'look, I'm feeling pretty bad from this'. Instead he says he feels the best he has in 20 years. It's totally implausible.
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White House Gift Shop selling 'Trump Defeats COVID' commemorative coin. I bloody kid you not. The world is going to hell in a handbasket
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
White House Gift Shop selling 'Trump Defeats COVID' commemorative coin. I bloody kid you not. The world is going to hell in a handbasket
that could be a colletor's edition if he suddenly takes a turn for the worse
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
lardy
That's exactly what he'd be doing :hehe:
A few days ago he was on a cocktail of experimental drugs. A fat 74 year old doesn't beat it that quick. But his persona relies on him being a superman. That's why he always uses the word 'strong' and talks about his good genes.
He won't allow anything that makes him look weak, even though all but his biggest enemies would sympathise with him saying 'look, I'm feeling pretty bad from this'. Instead he says he feels the best he has in 20 years. It's totally implausible.
His whole narrative is now "I put myself in danger because that's what leaders do, I suffered for it but I beat it and I will lead you out of the darkness"
I honestly struggle to think of a bigger bellend
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
Trump was able to access healthcare unattainable for many in America and most around the world, not to mention him wanting to make it more difficult for many in America to access healthcare, and is now pushing others to take greater risks in order to help him win an election.
What do you call that? It's not a leader.
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
surge
Trump was able to access healthcare unattainable for many in America and most around the world, not to mention him wanting to make it more difficult for many in America to access healthcare, and is now pushing others to take greater risks in order to help him win an election.
What do you call that? It's not a leader.
Did he manage to persuade the Chinese to give him the vaccine they’ve got already maybe?:sherlock:
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
goats
Did he manage to persuade the Chinese to give him the vaccine they’ve got already maybe?:sherlock:
That's not how vaccines work
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
surge
Trump was able to access healthcare unattainable for many in America and most around the world, not to mention him wanting to make it more difficult for many in America to access healthcare, and is now pushing others to take greater risks in order to help him win an election.
What do you call that? It's not a leader.
Taking the politics out of it, does this mean there is another way to deal with Covid19? We have been told a vaccine is the only solution, and we must remain in lockdown until it is ready. So if they ramp up the production of these new experimental drugs can life get back to normal sooner, without being dependent on a working vaccine?
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
surge
Trump was able to access healthcare unattainable for many in America and most around the world, not to mention him wanting to make it more difficult for many in America to access healthcare, and is now pushing others to take greater risks in order to help him win an election.
What do you call that? It's not a leader.
He's a superhero, i've seen the film, he now has immunity, and it's nothing to be scared of!
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Taking the politics out of it, does this mean there is another way to deal with Covid19? We have been told a vaccine is the only solution, and we must remain in lockdown until it is ready. So if they ramp up the production of these new experimental drugs can life get back to normal sooner, without being dependent on a working vaccine?
Not sure that is remotely true. As far as I can see most people fit into one of four groups:
i) not had coronavirus and won't ever get it
ii) had coronavirus and had short term mild symptoms or were asymptomatic. Unknown how long they are immune for.
iii) had coronavirus and had very difficult time of it but survived with no longer term effects or had coronavirus and have what is now being described as "long covid" where fatigue or other symptoms last 90 days plus.
iv) had coronavirus and died
This is a novel virus so initially, and now during the first winter, a lot of the concern is that we know it's potentially deadly and spreads rapidly but we don't know much else. Each passing month we are closer to living with it in relative safety because we understand it more and make different breakthroughs which are trialed to high enough standards that they are then mass produced.
Life will largely return to normal before a vaccine is available to everyone in the UK. The lockdown (from China to Sweden) was never about guaranteed safety but the risk was too high with too many unknowns and no way of protecting those who would have smallest chance of survival.
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
surge
Trump was able to access healthcare unattainable for many in America and most around the world, not to mention him wanting to make it more difficult for many in America to access healthcare, and is now pushing others to take greater risks in order to help him win an election.
What do you call that? It's not a leader.
Exactly. The monoclonal antibody injection he received came from stock that was strictly reserved for those patients who are part of an on-going clinical trial. There is no way an ordinary mortal like you or I would have a sniff of a chance of being treated with it unless we were enrolled in the trial!
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Taking the politics out of it, does this mean there is another way to deal with Covid19? We have been told a vaccine is the only solution, and we must remain in lockdown until it is ready. So if they ramp up the production of these new experimental drugs can life get back to normal sooner, without being dependent on a working vaccine?
Maybe if everyone exposed to Covid 19 got the quality of medical attention enjoyed by Trump there may be a way of 'life getting back to normal sooner'. Or do you think extreme health inequality is part of 'normal'?
Then again, the more information that comes out about the experimental drugs taken by Trump (along with zinc, vitamin D and aspirin) the more the case is made for keeping the jury out for a while longer. There is still a lot unknown about the effectiveness and side effects of the anti-viral remdesivir (clinical trials still ongoing); but the steroid dexamethasone is especially interesting. Side effects range from 'aggression, mood swings, depression and nervousness to trouble with thinking, speaking and walking' (US Mayo Clinic). How will we ever know....?
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
surge
Not sure that is remotely true. As far as I can see most people fit into one of four groups:
i) not had coronavirus and won't ever get it
ii) had coronavirus and had short term mild symptoms or were asymptomatic. Unknown how long they are immune for.
iii) had coronavirus and had very difficult time of it but survived with no longer term effects or had coronavirus and have what is now being described as "long covid" where fatigue or other symptoms last 90 days plus.
iv) had coronavirus and died
This is a novel virus so initially, and now during the first winter, a lot of the concern is that we know it's potentially deadly and spreads rapidly but we don't know much else. Each passing month we are closer to living with it in relative safety because we understand it more and make different breakthroughs which are trialed to high enough standards that they are then mass produced.
Life will largely return to normal before a vaccine is available to everyone in the UK. The lockdown (from China to Sweden) was never about guaranteed safety but the risk was too high with too many unknowns and no way of protecting those who would have smallest chance of survival.
Basically there are either preventative or curative options out there.
The preventative options seem to fall into three categories:
1) A vaccine;
2) The fabled herd immunity through a sizeable majority of the population mixing and building up the collective immunity to eliminate the virus (once the weakest in the herd take the consequences)
3) The various lockdown measures (masks, social distancing etc that we have been familiar with over the last 6 months)
The curative ones seem to be the plethora of drugs with different levels of maturity and medical provenance that treat people at various stages of infectivity. Trump seems to have been given a cocktail of these though he previously said that his personal physician administered a programme of hydroxochloroquine as some kind of preventative treatment).
The post you responded to talking about taking the politics out of this (yeah right) seems to be mashing the two elements together and suggesting that because Trump doing balcony and drive-by tours having been administered this cocktail (after supplemental oxygen) that the Western world will somehow rip off their masks and mingle in the shops, bars and streets because they think that they can get access to the same level of treatment that Trump did.
We already know that one of those drugs is being rationed by the NHS because of lack of supply, patent and prioritisation for the US.
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https://twitter.com/JKCorden/status/...090251778?s=19
he gets a lot of stick on here, but fair play that was impressive
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Rjk
I didn't know he could sing that well
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
I didn't know he could sing that well
It's better than most of his comedy.
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The American people will get the president they deserve. Typically voter turn-out for presidential elections is 50% or less in most states so that means anti-Trump folk need to get off their backsides and vote Democrat otherwise they can look forward to another four years of desperate Don.
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
surge
Not sure that is remotely true.
"They say keeping the lockdown policies in place until a vaccine is available would cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
"They say keeping the lockdown policies in place until a vaccine is available would cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386
"We have been told a vaccine is the only solution, and we must remain in lockdown until it is ready."
"Not sure that is remotely true."
...here are some people who are concerned about impact of keeping lockdown saying this shouldn't be cover-all policy.
Can you show me who is saying we should keep lockdown until a vaccine?
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
"They say keeping the lockdown policies in place until a vaccine is available would cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386
I'm sure the mental health Imapct after Covid , will very damaging
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
I'm sure the mental health Imapct after Covid , will very damaging
When were you last tsetde?
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
When were you last tsetde?
Just before your spelling test , your dismal of mental health speaks volumes .
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Re: Trump has coronavirus
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Just before your spelling test , your dismal of mental health speaks volumes .
Be fair Cyril whooshed you a beauty there:hehe: