Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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J R Hartley
Eh?
I was talking about the video which Surge posted a link to;-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IICt-tGoTtg
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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the other bob wilson
So Giggs is praised for getting us to the finals of a competition and Page isn't for taking us a stage further?
The only comparison I'm making between Rob Page and Chris Coleman and Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson is that the first two have done something that the other two couldn't with what were arguably stronger squads than the Welsh ones - apart from my voicing an opinion about the relative strengths of those squads, the rest of what I say if factual surely?
LOL
When Page qualifys for his own finals and then gets out of the group he will get more credit from me. Its not that difficult to get out of a stage where up to 75% of the group qualify. Not when you have two genuinely world class players in your starting 11. Giggs qualified out of the qualifying group without Ramsey too. Far better achievement.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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J R Hartley
Bale probably told him at HT. Bale is running that show.
Think your right if you look at the last team huddle it spoke volumes
I should imagine Page is lot like Paul Trollope very decent number 2 or development coach .
Its horses for courses , can imagine managing and motivating people in the modern era is a very difficult skill .
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
So Giggs is praised for getting us to the finals of a competition and Page isn't for taking us a stage further?
The only comparison I'm making between Rob Page and Chris Coleman and Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson is that the first two have done something that the other two couldn't with what were arguably stronger squads than the Welsh ones - apart from my voicing an opinion about the relative strengths of those squads, the rest of what I say if factual surely?
Daft comparison. 30-40 years difference. Different game. Squad strength is debatable, opposition strength is open to debate.
Im sure Sir Alex Ferguson wont lose any sleep over it.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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J R Hartley
Daft comparison. 30-40 years difference. Different game. Squad strength is debatable, opposition strength is open to debate.
Im sure Sir Alex Ferguson wont lose any sleep over it.
All this because you won’t have a good word said about Rob Page :hehe:.
That’s all this boils down to.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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the other bob wilson
All this because you won’t have a good word said about Rob Page :hehe:.
That’s all this boils down to.
All what? Youre the one who bumped the thread and named me personally. :hehe:
Page has done OK, but Giggs would have done better.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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J R Hartley
All what? Youre the one who bumped the thread and named me personally. :hehe:
Page has done OK, but Giggs would have done better.
Page has done OK is as good as it’s going to get isn’t it - best leave it there I reckon :thumbup:
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
LOL
When Page qualifys for his own finals and then gets out of the group he will get more credit from me. Its not that difficult to get out of a stage where up to 75% of the group qualify. Not when you have two genuinely world class players in your starting 11. Giggs qualified out of the qualifying group without Ramsey too. Far better achievement.
That's as may be, but didn't Wales qualify in the top 50%?
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
You have to judge him mainly on his record as a league manager and he was completely indifferent as a manager at Port Vale and Northampton where he lost more games than he won at both clubs.For Wales he has been a bit better but one win one lucky draw and one defeat isn't exactly great paticularly when the win was against crap Turkey.
Beat Denmark and there is a case for him staying on as Wales manager but I would not even consider him for Cardiff. Might be one of these types who is a better number two like Trollope.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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Shrewsbury Blue
You have to judge him mainly on his record as a league manager and he was completely indifferent as a manager at Port Vale and Northampton where he lost more games than he won at both clubs.For Wales he has been a bit better but one win one lucky draw and one defeat isn't exactly great paticularly when the win was against crap Turkey.
Beat Denmark and there is a case for him staying on as Wales manager but I would not even consider him for Cardiff. Might be one of these types who is a better number two like Trollope.
What I will say in his defence the jobs at Northampton and Port Vale are going to be difficult for most managers.
A manager is only as good as the players at his disposal and that’s probably why he’s done better with the national side than he has at club level. He’s certainly benefited, like Coleman, in having 2 genuine world class players fit and ready.
Also, he’s a caretaker manager in unique circumstances so certainly the first few games the tactics were Ryan Giggs picking the team and tactics, he said as much himself afterwards. That’s not to say Giggs should take all the credit, it was an annoyance of mine that Gary Speed was / is still taking most of the credit for Chris Coleman’s achievements.
If we get to the QF I think Page can take credit, but if we get knocked out Saturday it will be a lucky draw and a win against the worst team in the tournament in 4 games. Nothing to get too excited about, or give too much credit for. Seeing as we are ranked in the top 16 teams in Europe then getting to the last 16 should be par for the course.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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The Hooded Claw
That's as may be, but didn't Wales qualify in the top 50%?
Bore off Jirga
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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Hilts
It is an achievement what hes done. But lets be honest. We were fortunate to get a point against Switzerland and very fortunate not to be totally hammered v Italy.
We are so reliant on Bale and Ramsey being on the top of their game.
Im concerned with a manager who picks Chris Gunter , selects a Luton reserve and thinks Rodon/Mepham is a superb partnership.
Saying that ive no idea really how good Page is.
City had stick off some for our 2nd half display v Swansea despite restricting them to 1 short on target and creating the best chance. Whereas Wales get a free pass being dominated by Italy in 3rd gear and even subbing their keeper.
Bit or irony when MM leaves Wilson on the bench there is accusations of not playing flair , when Page leaves Brookes and Wilson out first eleven not so 🤔.
And retrospectively Vaulks should have gone instead of Jonny Williams??
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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life on mars
Bit or irony when MM leaves Wilson on the bench there is accusations of not playing flair , when Page leaves Brookes and Wilson out first eleven not so 🤔.
And retrospectively Vaulks should have gone instead of Jonny Williams??
Erm, bit of a difference in levels and quality of team mates?!?!?. There’s players being selected for Wales ahead of Wilson who are far superior.
That comparison ranks as more ridiculous on this thread than TOBWs Page to Fergie / Stein :hehe:
As for Vaulks he’s not an international player in a million years.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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J R Hartley
Bore off Jirga
Ouch! 🤣
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
I’d have the Danish coach over him.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
Seems clueless to make any changes to the formation to counter Denmark's threat.
So it's a No from me.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
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alan_corneli
Seems clueless to make any changes to the formation to counter Denmark's threat.
So it's a No from me.
Not sure what tactical change to the formation would have made any difference today Denmark were just so much better than us. Needed Bale and Ramsey to have good games for us today and they were ordinary verging on poor.
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
More chance of him making a good Cardiff one than a Wales one
Re: Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
Having seen our perfromance today, I'm beginning to regret starting this thread! :facepalm: