Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee
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Dorcus
'cos that's exactly what Tories are....weasels! I should have expanded upon my definition earlier by the way to include Telegraph, Express and Sun readers. I think it great sport to see all these Gammons getting hot under the collar about a simple gesture. It must tear their heart out lol.
I think generalising is letting LoM off the hook. He started the thread and should have the opportunity of moving beyond his craven reasoning to articulate why he feels so driven to start so many ambiguous threads about the specific subject of "taking the knee".
Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
'cos that's exactly what Tories are....weasels! I should have expanded upon my definition earlier by the way to include Telegraph, Express and Sun readers. I think it great sport to see all these Gammons getting hot under the collar about a simple gesture. It must tear their heart out lol.
It was noticeable that, as black lives matters and taking the knee became more popular, so the political far right saw an opportunity to make it something from the political left.
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I can see why people who put forward a reasoned argument think its time to move on , my view is if the players want to do it , let them
But there is a huge chunk of people who are very much racist and hide it very badly over this BLM protest
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Still think more sides would adopt the position of taking the knee , shocked to read today it was just a few sides still adopting it mainly the UK sides, pointing out that doesn't make anyone a racist or right winger.
Neither does it make anyone a racist who they vote for albeit racism exists both the left and right side of politics and its voters .
If some feel taking the knee is now slowly losing its impact , it doesn't make them racists.
It's reported decent genuine and even black players and sides think the action has perhaps had its day, and perhaps should now end ,still doesn't make them racists .
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It looks as if the Wales team either encouraged or shamed the Turkey team and half the Italy team into taking the knee too.
Good on them!
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Still think more sides would adopt the position of taking the knee , shocked to read today it was just a few sides still adopting it mainly the UK sides, pointing out that doesn't make anyone a racist or right winger.
Neither does it make anyone a racist who they vote for albeit racism exists both the left and right side of politics and its voters .
If some feel taking the knee is now slowly losing its impact , it doesn't make them racists.
It's reported decent genuine and even black players and sides think the action has perhaps had its day, and perhaps should now end ,still doesn't make them racists .
You're painfully transparent.
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Still think more sides would adopt the position of taking the knee , shocked to read today it was just a few sides still adopting it mainly the UK sides, pointing out that doesn't make anyone a racist or right winger.
Neither does it make anyone a racist who they vote for albeit racism exists both the left and right side of politics and its voters .
If some feel taking the knee is now slowly losing its impact , it doesn't make them racists.
It's reported decent genuine and even black players and sides think the action has perhaps had its day, and perhaps should now end ,still doesn't make them racists .
I would agree with you that it shouldn't make a difference regarding voting intention and what papers you read but its definitely a factor
Let's be honest here if someone gets their news from The Sun or The Daily Mail they are going to be fed some right nasty stuff regarding race and immigration .
And when the tory party openly courts the immigration card then its going to attract people of a racist persuasion to vote for them .
Having said that there are lots of people from white working class backgrounds who read The Sun and vote Labour and some of the attitudes on building sites towards black people and some of the racially offensive terms used wouldn't go down well with the Islington Labour Party .
I think the tories are very clever in attracting the white working class who are right wing in thinking regarding race
Thats why Labour are fecked.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I would agree with you that it shouldn't make a difference regarding voting intention and what papers you read but its definitely a factor
Let's be honest here if someone gets their news from The Sun or The Daily Mail they are going to be fed some right nasty stuff regarding race and immigration .
And when the tory party openly courts the immigration card then its going to attract people of a racist persuasion to vote for them .
Having said that there are lots of people from white working class backgrounds who read The Sun and vote Labour and some of the attitudes on building sites towards black people and some of the racially offensive terms used wouldn't go down well with the Islington Labour Party .
I think the tories are very clever in attracting the white working class who are right wing in thinking regarding race
Thats why Labour are fecked.
Spot on , not sure about clever Tories lol , I just wonder if they were Tory voters in the beginning ,seemed that way in the Brexit vote
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
It looks as if the Wales team either encouraged or shamed the Turkey team and half the Italy team into taking the knee too.
Good on them!
indeed , especially the Turks as their countries history on human rights is one of the worst .
I'm guessing their players see a fairer broader life playing in England , Germany etc , than in their own country .
Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Still think more sides would adopt the position of taking the knee , shocked to read today it was just a few sides still adopting it mainly the UK sides, pointing out that doesn't make anyone a racist or right winger.
Neither does it make anyone a racist who they vote for albeit racism exists both the left and right side of politics and its voters .
If some feel taking the knee is now slowly losing its impact , it doesn't make them racists.
It's reported decent genuine and even black players and sides think the action has perhaps had its day, and perhaps should now end ,still doesn't make them racists .
I agree that if some feel taking the knee is now slowly losing its impact it doesn't make them racist. But if "some" decried it from the outset and regularly posted updates each time some player or team stopped to argue everyone should stop as it has had its day then it probably does. Here is your back copy on the subject if it helps others form a view on which side of the line you fall.
1. If black lives matter so much why do they kill each other .
2. with regards to black lives matter I get it ,support it,fed up with it dictating every media narrative .
3. I'm on one knee as we speak ,I'm sure nothing bad was going on perfect driving ,no etc
4. before all this , ,people were asking why black youths were knifing each other in London
5. It's been politically highjacked, wait for the onslaught .
6. Well done QPR and Matt Le Tissier
7. Its about the overall injustices in the world which all deserve the same empathy and respect of lives ,its strange how certain injustices are recognised over others , for example I cant recall a simalir demonstrsting in the same as BLM , hope its not political.
8. Need to move on now , lots of folk irritated , lots of things wrong in the world.
9. society problem is about populism subject matter such as BLM or Eco issues ,its like the brand new thing to follow ,
10. The only interest I ever had in 'taking the knee ' was when I was involved in parks football
11. I'd never boo , however I do think taking the knee needs to have an end date
12. Where have all the BLM riots /Demo's gone in the USA and to some extent UK, loads of statues left standing we need rid off ?
13. With the latest onset of abusive via ocial media sites , from racism to death threats and homephobic insults to wards Black and white people, isn't it time that footballers as a unit now make a similar stance as tthd yaking the knee protest and simply stop using these abusive platforms that generate such nastiness .
14. Great decision well, done the brave Bees , when you consider they in particular have developed and have a lot of good young black players .Think it all as to end , before crowds return .Iwonder if the 6 nation Rugby players divided response provide a catalyst to change ?
15. Rumours Brentford will not be taking the knee in the Premiership. Croatia are saying the same for the Euro's , both refer to the alleged no politics rules in football , and its long-term ineffectiveness , as per Zaha point and decision ?
16. Lets prey the new football role models of society behaviour in the appropriate for all manner of things not just race .
17. Appears Scotland will not be Taking The Knee ,it will intresting to see how this plays out over the tournament .I believe England and NZ cricketers didn't partake today .
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Still think more sides would adopt the position of taking the knee , shocked to read today it was just a few sides still adopting it mainly the UK sides, pointing out that doesn't make anyone a racist or right winger.
Neither does it make anyone a racist who they vote for albeit racism exists both the left and right side of politics and its voters .
If some feel taking the knee is now slowly losing its impact , it doesn't make them racists.
It's reported decent genuine and even black players and sides think the action has perhaps had its day, and perhaps should now end ,still doesn't make them racists .
How can you be 'shocked' when you also state 'It's reported decent genuine and even black players and sides think the action has perhaps had its day'?
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Taunton Blue Genie
How can you be 'shocked' when you also state 'It's reported decent genuine and even black players and sides think the action has perhaps had its day'?
Two different reported events the black players like Zaha and those lets say at Brentford have this view and were reported as saying this well before Euros , the sides not taking the knee was reported separately and recently, perhaps shocked is wrong terminology I just thought as this was global event the very big European sides would continue to taking the knee, whilst countries like Hungry , Croatia , Czech , North Macedonia , Russia would not ..
Re: Seems Mainly UK Sides Taking The Knee
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life on mars
Two different reported events the black players like Zaha and those lets say at Brentford have this view and were reported as saying this well before Euros , the sides not taking the knee was reported separately and recently, perhaps shocked is wrong terminology I just thought as this was global event the very big European sides would continue to taking the knee, whilst countries like Hungry , Croatia , Czech , North Macedonia , Russia would not ..
Hungry Croatia? Where’s Bob Geldof & Midge Ure when you need ‘em!!!!
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splott parker
Hungry Croatia? Where’s Bob Geldof & Midge Ure when you need ‘em!!!!
To busy becoming rich capitalist of the backs of music fans
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life on mars
To busy becoming rich capitalist of the backs of music fans
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splott parker
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Tuerto
And it really pisses off the racists.
It may piss off racists, but a lot of Black folk aren’t too enamoured with it either.
I personally know at least a dozen people of all ethnicities, that i’ve grown up around, and aren’t racist, but find it a bit of a hollow gesture.
I think it would have had more clout, if it had been originated by a white sportsman.
You can’t beat racism out of a person. Until we can look each at each other and see another person and not a colour, racism will thrive.
Instead of players feeling emotionally forced into taking the knee, the real racists in the crowds, and on the pitch should be emptied for ever from the game.
There are plenty of racists who attend sporting events, but keep it to themselves, but the ones who are vociferous about it have to be immediately identified and bombed out.
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William Treseder
It may piss off racists, but a lot of Black folk aren’t too enamoured with it either.
I personally know at least a dozen people of all ethnicities, that i’ve grown up around, and aren’t racist, but find it a bit of a hollow gesture.
I think it would have had more clout, if it had been originated by a white sportsman.
You can’t beat racism out of a person. Until we can look each at each other and see another person and not a colour, racism will thrive.
Instead of players feeling emotionally forced into taking the knee, the real racists in the crowds, and on the pitch should be emptied for ever from the game.
There are plenty of racists who attend sporting events, but keep it to themselves, but the ones who are vociferous about it have to be immediately identified and bombed out.
Its not as simple as that . I will shop a racist but not everyone can and many people feel extremely intimidated by a big lump and his mate using racist language .
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This was never about changing committed racists, that cannot be achieved short of putting a bullet in them. This campaign was designed to reduce and eventually eradicate racism in younger generations. Rome wasn't built in a day