Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Eric the Half a Bee
There is a group called Christian mothers against masturbation.
Have u got a link ?
I would like to do an online presentation
A mass debate for want of a better word 🤔
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't think people who are you average Joe go to church
The kids who I grew up with and were cool to be with were not in church on a Sunday
They were listening to metal , fishing and playing football
The only reason why the church has changed is because society has demanded that it did
It's still outdated though with little relevance to 2021
I know people who give to the local food bank who are church goers and all goody goody and others who wouldn't be seen dead anywhere near a church yet give loads of money to save the children , the homeless etc
Religion doesn't have a monopoly on child abuse but it also doesn't have a monopoly on good deeds either
You can be a member of a train spotting club and do loads for charity
I can't stand that saying to be good is to be a Christian
How weird is that? My childhood was completely the opposite!
It never ceases to amaze me that people actually think calling others goody, goody or 'do-gooders' is some form of insult when it's completely the opposite. How to alienate people Sludge. Way to go.
But I'm going to rejoice in a miracle.
A post turned into whine.
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't think people who are you average Joe go to church
The kids who I grew up with and were cool to be with were not in church on a Sunday
They were listening to metal , fishing and playing football
So your definition of an average Joe is different. It doesn't make for a balanced story,
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Tuerto
Would you say that all poor people are just lazy, people who suffer with mental health are weak etc? Of course you wouldn't, as that would be generalising, which almost certainly panders to the most extreme amongst us, and as a result, ends In people being persecuted because of a certain belief etc
Some poor people are lazy, some are not. Some rich people are lazy, some are not.
ALL those "with religious faith" are deluded. They are also dangerous. I give you Afghanistan and the Taliban...
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Taunton Blue Genie
The Quakers are indeed interesting. A retired doctor in my evening class is one and told me a little of what they do in their meetings.
The Shakers are more interesting. They died out because they didn't believe in sex. You couldn't make it up with religious BS...
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Citizen's Nephew
How weird is that? My childhood was completely the opposite!
It never ceases to amaze me that people actually think calling others goody, goody or 'do-gooders' is some form of insult when it's completely the opposite. How to alienate people Sludge. Way to go.
But I'm going to rejoice in a miracle.
A post turned into whine.
So you went to church every Sunday as a 14 year old kid whilst others were out fishing , playing football , listening to music ?
I think I had a normal childhood myself
I don't think it's normal for 14 year old boys to be singing religious songs with their parents
Christians do good things
Ordinary people do good things
The bible tells Christians if they do good acts they will go to heaven but only if they also worship God and Jesus
I would rather be an ordinary person who does good things then we can cut out the church bit and you can then be certain someone collecting for the homeless is a good person not doing it to get them to paradise
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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az city
Some poor people are lazy, some are not. Some rich people are lazy, some are not.
ALL those "with religious faith" are deluded. They are also dangerous. I give you Afghanistan and the Taliban...
Heck, this is going way too far.
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Tuerto
Heck, this is going way too far.
Forgive me.
(Credit to Bill Hicks.)
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Eric the Half a Bee
So your definition of an average Joe is different. It doesn't make for a balanced story,
It appears perfectly normal for young lads to go fishing be attracted to girls .....or boys .....go fishing ......drink alcohol ......look at porn , listen to rock , disco , metal etc
And young women too
When I was young once you realised God was a myth you stopped being dragged along to church and found other things to do with your time
I grew up a Catholic, my mother's side of the family were from Ireland originally . My mother still watches mass online as does my sister but nobody else in the family is interested . My cousins, all secular , grew up mountain biking , swimming , fishing , sailing , my sisters kids into cycling , horses , running . No interest in church at all .
It's like this for most people who are fed religion but realise its daft . The local Catholic church where I was first taken , I don't know of any of the kids who were there when I was 12 who go now .
It's boring and has very little relevance to most people and most people brought up in religious families fly the nest .
I think that's good as a reliance on faith to get you through life is not very realistic .
For example at Xmas my mother had pneumonia and was in hospital . In March the doctor phoned to say she was being discharged . One of mum's church friends , a very kind lady but totally sucked in by her Catholic faith phoned up and said how is mum ......I said she's coming home .......she said I knew all our prayers would be answered !
Mum came home , fell over and broke her hip and was back in the ambulance .
I mean either praying is a complete waste of time or they were not praying hard enough
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
So you went to church every Sunday as a 14 year old kid whilst others were out fishing , playing football , listening to music ?
I think I had a normal childhood myself
I don't think it's normal for 14 year old boys to be singing religious songs with their parents
Christians do good things
Ordinary people do good things
The bible tells Christians if they do good acts they will go to heaven but only if they also worship God and Jesus
I would rather be an ordinary person who does good things then we can cut out the church bit and you can then be certain someone collecting for the homeless is a good person not doing it to get them to paradise
Aye but religious folks only do good deeds to curry favour with their (non-existent) deity of choice not necessarily because they recognize the inherent goodness in their acts
Non-religious folks do good deeds without the need for "heavenly" reward.
Who are the better group? Clearly the non-religious.
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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az city
Aye but religious folks only do good deeds to curry favour with their (non-existent) deity of choice not necessarily because they recognize the inherent goodness in their acts
Non-religious folks do good deeds without the need for "heavenly" reward.
Who are the better group? Clearly the non-religious.
I tend to agree with you
Maybe not better but probably more realistic
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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az city
Forgive me.
(Credit to Bill Hicks.)
https://youtu.be/oyWzSDg0pc8
Hey buddy .........come here !
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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az city
Forgive me.
(Credit to Bill Hicks.)
Ah, get it now :thumbup:
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It appears perfectly normal for young lads to go fishing be attracted to girls .....or boys .....go fishing ......drink alcohol ......look at porn , listen to rock , disco , metal etc
And young women too
When I was young once you realised God was a myth you stopped being dragged along to church and found other things to do with your time
I grew up a Catholic, my mother's side of the family were from Ireland originally . My mother still watches mass online as does my sister but nobody else in the family is interested . My cousins, all secular , grew up mountain biking , swimming , fishing , sailing , my sisters kids into cycling , horses , running . No interest in church at all .
It's like this for most people who are fed religion but realise its daft . The local Catholic church where I was first taken , I don't know of any of the kids who were there when I was 12 who go now .
It's boring and has very little relevance to most people and most people brought up in religious families fly the nest .
I think that's good as a reliance on faith to get you through life is not very realistic .
For example at Xmas my mother had pneumonia and was in hospital . In March the doctor phoned to say she was being discharged . One of mum's church friends , a very kind lady but totally sucked in by her Catholic faith phoned up and said how is mum ......I said she's coming home .......she said I knew all our prayers would be answered !
Mum came home , fell over and broke her hip and was back in the ambulance .
I mean either praying is a complete waste of time or they were not praying hard enough
So, basically, this is all about your experience, not the wider population, people with a whole host of thoughts, beliefs, interpretations, experiences, occupations, political beliefs etc. I thought that we were exploring the nuanced shades of faith, rather than the sludge factory show.
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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az city
Aye but religious folks only do good deeds to curry favour with their (non-existent) deity of choice not necessarily because they recognize the inherent goodness in their acts
Non-religious folks do good deeds without the need for "heavenly" reward.
Who are the better group? Clearly the non-religious.
Hmmm..people do good for many different reasons. Some, because it gives them pleasure or can make them look good. Although, does it matter, as long as the 'goodness' is beneficial to those in need?
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Tuerto
So, basically, this is all about your experience, not the wider population, people with a whole host of thoughts, beliefs, interpretations, experiences, occupations, political beliefs etc. I thought that we were exploring the nuanced shades of faith, rather than the sludge factory show.
The thread started with why religion is bullshit
And for the general population it appears that it is
There are always a number of semi believers or full time church types on threads like this but most people seem to agree its nonsense and I think my experience of being brought up a church goer ......without any choice .......and rejecting religion .....is an almost universal one
It's certainly reflected in young people in 2021 , there seems to be little mass clamour for a place in church on a Sunday
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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DubaiDai
Religion is the cause of most wars and atrocities around the world.
I'd say money is.
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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Tuerto
Hmmm..people do good for many different reasons. Some, because it gives them pleasure or can make them look good. Although, does it matter, as long as the 'goodness' is beneficial to those in need?
Very very few people do something for nothing , it's almost always to get them something , impress someone , deal with guilt
I am afraid that's the way it is
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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az city
Aye but religious folks only do good deeds to curry favour with their (non-existent) deity of choice not necessarily because they recognize the inherent goodness in their acts
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Not all of them do.
Re: One reason why religion is a load of bollox.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Very very few people do something for nothing , it's almost always to get them something , impress someone , deal with guilt
I am afraid that's the way it is
I disagree with you.
Lots of people volunteer for a sense of community, to help those less fortunate and because its the right thing to do.
I volunteer in a church run food bank. I'm not religious but the people there are, its the closest one to me. I don't do a lot, just a few deliveries and I don't feel good for doing it, its a personality trait for me. I like volunteering.
The others are doing it for people less fortunate and the state doesn't support them, not because they want a fast track upstairs or to absolve guilt.