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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
There were also several instances in the 2nd half where I specifically recall both Nelson and Flint had time to bring the ball under control and make a simple pass to retain possession. Nelson lumped his long into Bournemouth’s half where we had no players and Flint, with plenty of time, blasted his straight out into touch, not even making the halfway line . I don’t see Morison commenting on that.
I think the point is why specifically pick on Davies when they were several poor performances from much more senior pros. Morison actually says it can be seen as an easy target picking on a youngster and you know what Steve, yes it is and it doesn’t reflect well
Thing is, that's what flint and Nelson do, on a regular basis. There is little hope for them. As for Davies, well, Morison has a relationship with him, he's coached him for the past couple of years or so as a youngster. Morison feels that he can do that to him, obviously. It was out of order though, although I do believe that the young players need to show more if they're going to progress.
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The second mistake in my opinion; the first was the awful team selection last night. As soon as I saw the team my heart sank. Yet despite their obviously merited position at the top of the table, Bournemouth were far from at their best last night.
They were ponderous in midfield, nervy at the back and for a long while lack lustre up front. We even had two golden chances to score which we fluffed.
Had Morison picked a better team last night and with a better and more attack minded midfield in particular we might just have pinched a result.
The first mistake can be rectified: do not pick that team again. Bacuna's sending off has partially helped us in that matter.
The second mistake is a bit more difficult to resolve quickly. I just wonder if after sleeping on it Steve Morison apologizes publically to Isaac Davies and admit his mistake. Isaac Davies is one of the few who definitely do not deserve criticism for their performances so far this term.
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blue matt
Sounds like he was talking to the press saying the same thing he did to his players, these are professional athletes, they know when they have had a crap game, the manager knows and the fans know, no point in sugar coating it
Yes, I agree.
Being a young lad doesn't make him immune for critism. I didn't see the game so offer no opinion on his performance.
I believe in being firm but fair with the youngsters. If you pander to them and wrap them up in cotton wool, they'll always look for it and won't develop professionally or personally.That applies to kids in any trade.
Generally what I've seen of young Isaak Davies is very positive and I sincerely believe he has a bright future.
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B. Oddie
Yes, I agree.
Being a young lad doesn't make him immune for critism. I didn't see the game so offer no opinion on his performance.
I believe in being firm but fair with the youngsters. If you pander to them and wrap them up in cotton wool, they'll always look for it and won't develop professionally or personally.That applies to kids in any trade.
Generally what I've seen of young Isaak Davies is very positive and I sincerely believe he has a bright future.
Morison had a strop on, probably over the bacuna incident. And he probably told Davies to do one thing and one thing only, get on the ball, draw fouls and buy a bit of time, slow it down a bit. Davies did the opposite and morison acted like a spoilt child.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Morison had a strop on, probably over the bacuna incident. And he probably told Davies to do one thing and one thing only, get on the ball, draw fouls and buy a bit of time, slow it down a bit. Davies did the opposite and morison acted like a spoilt child.
Morison has appeared very conceited in previous interviews. No he is demonstrating his willingness to blame kids for all-round abject performances. Whatever Davies was told to do, I doubt he would’ve had much opportunity as we were in our own box for much of that 20 minutes.
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Originally Posted by
B. Oddie
Yes, I agree.
Being a young lad doesn't make him immune for critism. I didn't see the game so offer no opinion on his performance.
I believe in being firm but fair with the youngsters. If you pander to them and wrap them up in cotton wool, they'll always look for it and won't develop professionally or personally.That applies to kids in any trade.
Generally what I've seen of young Isaak Davies is very positive and I sincerely believe he has a bright future.
The point is not that you cannot criticise young players, but how many times do you hear a manager talk about any player in the way Morison talked about Davies in a post match press conference? I specifically mentioned Adam Matthews earlier because it was so unusual to hear a City manager talk like that about one of his players. I never heard Dave Jones talk like that about a senior player - Michael Chopra was a disgrace in some of his appearances for us in his final season here, yet there was never a word of criticism from his manager and now Steve Morison has done the same to another young player who I’d say has won us more points than he’s lost in his very brief career. Why do managers make all sorts of allowances for senior pros and yet hang youngsters out to dry publicly after one poor performance?
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
The second mistake in my opinion; the first was the awful team selection last night. As soon as I saw the team my heart sank. Yet despite their obviously merited position at the top of the table, Bournemouth were far from at their best last night.
They were ponderous in midfield, nervy at the back and for a long while lack lustre up front. We even had two golden chances to score which we fluffed.
Had Morison picked a better team last night and with a better and more attack minded midfield in particular we might just have pinched a result.
The first mistake can be rectified: do not pick that team again. Bacuna's sending off has partially helped us in that matter.
The second mistake is a bit more difficult to resolve quickly. I just wonder if after sleeping on it Steve Morison apologizes publically to Isaac Davies and admit his mistake. Isaac Davies is one of the few who definitely do not deserve criticism for their performances so far this term.
Agreed :xmasthumbup:
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Tuerto
He needs to be careful though. When all is said and done, he needs most of those players to be on side with him. If he criticises too heavily in Public then he could have a problem on his hands.
I agree, but we have to think that Morison has coached Davies for a few years ( it is a few years isn't it ? ? ) and knows the young lad, he did say good things about him aswell, Morison might feel this will be a gentle kick up the arse that Davies needed, it might be something Morison has done in the past with him, we dont know the relationship they have, Morison strikes me as someone who does know, so we have to trust him
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Morison seemed a little edgy during the press conference. I know that the questions from journalists can be a bit repetitive and boring, but he did come across a bit edgy on times to me.
Maybe it's the outbreak of COVID that has stressed him a bit, lack of preparation etc. A new thing for all managers but probably more difficult for someone completely new to management at this level.
My concerns are that I have no idea what he is attempting to implement, I just can't see it, if others can then help me out a bit.
It's a slightly quicker form of Neil Harris football, the midfield don't do anything different, the three in the middle all seem to hold the line and play in flat lines, although none of them are capable of anything else.
He really needs some short term experience in that midfield, a player who can organise, just until the end of the season. They're shocking in every respect. Can't feed the striker or support and don't protect the defenders. Vaulks is league 1 standard as is Bacuna and Ralls isn't going to improve, neither is pack. Big problems in that position.
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My concerns are that I have no idea what he is attempting to implement, I just can't see it, if others can then help me out a bit.
Totally agree with that statement. I am really totally behind this appointment as I thought he would bring a different style. I realise the squad we have is poor, but good managers try creative changes to see if they work. I am assuming Pack will be straight back into midfield now Bacuna is missing ? Why not try Pack in the back four ? Why not try Bagan at LB and play a back four ? I am not saying any of these would work but at least it would show the manager was trying.
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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
There were also several instances in the 2nd half where I specifically recall both Nelson and Flint had time to bring the ball under control and make a simple pass to retain possession. Nelson lumped his long into Bournemouth’s half where we had no players and Flint, with plenty of time, blasted his straight out into touch, not even making the halfway line . I don’t see Morison commenting on that.
I think the point is why specifically pick on Davies when they were several poor performances from much more senior pros. Morison actually says it can be seen as an easy target picking on a youngster and you know what Steve, yes it is and it doesn’t reflect well
In the 1st 15 minutes Nelson misplaced the simplest of passes out of defence straight to a Bournemouth player - about 5 yds from where he was aiming. A moment later he 'passed' to Giles when the ball was bouncing. He couldn't bring it under control so just lobbed it into the air in the general direction of Giles, who had to control the ball with a Bournemouth player tight on him. True, Morison hasn't criticized Nelson, but Nelson isn't capable of passing or controlling a football, so criticism would be pointless. Morison knows Davies could and should have done better.
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DubaiDai
Totally agree with that statement. I am really totally behind this appointment as I thought he would bring a different style. I realise the squad we have is poor, but good managers try creative changes to see if they work. I am assuming Pack will be straight back into midfield now Bacuna is missing ? Why not try Pack in the back four ? Why not try Bagan at LB and play a back four ? I am not saying any of these would work but at least it would show the manager was trying.
the thing is, with the position we are in, the press / fans would be very quick to call for his head if changes didnt work, he is truly dammed either way
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blue matt
the thing is, with the position we are in, the press / fans would be very quick to call for his head if changes didnt work, he is truly dammed either way
I'm not sure that's true. I think everyone who supported his appointment, and there are many of us, wanted a fresh head with fresh ideas. We all know we have a pretty poor squad and we all knew it would be a tough challenge to avoid relegation. But I think most of us wanted a fresh start and the team that was selected last night harks back to the bad old days. In my opinion Vaulks, Bacuna, Nelson and Pack must be avoided at all cost if we have any chance. Morison must try new formations.
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Nelson has been appalling for some time and is a liability. Surely now must be the time we look to replace him.
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Dorcus
Nelson has been appalling for some time and is a liability. Surely now must be the time we look to replace him.
We have too many players who just can't play. The three at the back have difficulty passing a ball. Ng- What's he about then? The midfield three that started last night can't play, what can we do? This has been coming for ages.
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Tuerto
We have too many players who just can't play. The three at the back have difficulty passing a ball. Ng- What's he about then? The midfield three that started last night can't play, what can we do? This has been coming for ages.
You're absolutely right! What's happened to Tom Sang and Bagan and I wonder how long it is before Sam Bowen is fit? Chuck Wintle into the mix and we have the basis of a new midfield alongside Ralls. I'm increasingly getting concerned about NG's ability.
I just expected a bit more experimentation from Morison but last night's selection has knocked my faith.
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Tuerto
We have too many players who just can't play. The three at the back have difficulty passing a ball. Ng- What's he about then? The midfield three that started last night can't play, what can we do? This has been coming for ages.
Ng is not a wing back for me, he should either be a traditional full back or moved into the back 3 to provide some extra pace and poise back there
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Dorcus
Nelson has been appalling for some time and is a liability. Surely now must be the time we look to replace him.
I'm hoping Nelson, Pack, Vaulks and Bacuana can all be replaced with loanees during this window. I'm not going to hold me breath though
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Mr Soul '68
I'm hoping Nelson, Pack, Vaulks and Bacuana can all be replaced with loanees during this window. I'm not going to hold me breath though
We have Wintle & Bowen to come back into midfield, I'd be surprised if we signed anyone in there as much as we need one
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
I'm not sure that's true. I think everyone who supported his appointment, and there are many of us, wanted a fresh head with fresh ideas. We all know we have a pretty poor squad and we all knew it would be a tough challenge to avoid relegation. But I think most of us wanted a fresh start and the team that was selected last night harks back to the bad old days. In my opinion Vaulks, Bacuna, Nelson and Pack must be avoided at all cost if we have any chance. Morison must try new formations.
agreed, but results are also important, as soon as we are safe, then look at different Barcelona styles of play