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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Pre-Brexit the UK had a net immigration target of +100k per annum and the governments immediately post Brexit reaffirmed it. It was never realistic but very useful each year it was broken. Quietly discarded since but I guess it served its purpose.
I might misremember and can't be bothered to look for evidence but I'm sure David Cameron talked about limiting immigration to 10 or 20k.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
I thought I'd give that article a read to see how objective it is. I held out hope the Daily mail would offer well researched insight into why the population is growing. However, the author's agenda is clear for all to see as they go straight for the easy target for its readers. Credible alternatives have been presented in this thread that the DM won't be interested in as they don't appeal to their readers.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
I like immigrants, but where are all the woman and children? They all seem to be fit young lads of fighting age.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
Ah the DailyMail, the newspaper that distracts the plebs with stories aimed at engaging them about immigrants and benefits all while the rich are robbing us all.
I know it's not all old people but there seems to be a significant amount of the elderly who read this shit and can't see how much they're being made fools of.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
My final words on this. It's hard to take an article in the DM seriously when the first illustrative photograph is this one:
Attachment 4974
And BTL there was this comment:
'People coming here to study is a huge compliment to our country, as well as extremely lucrative. As for others coming to work, we have labour shortages. And the jet aeroplane means that places that used to be several weeks ocean voyage away, can now be reached in hours. We cant build a high wall around England.'
It had 22 upvotes and 304 downvotes!
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Ah the DailyMail, the newspaper that distracts the plebs with stories aimed at engaging them about immigrants and benefits all while the rich are robbing us all.
I know it's not all old people but there seems to be a significant amount of the elderly who read this shit and can't see how much they're being made fools of.
Can’t it be both?
Immigration is an issue and to brush it aside as xenophobia is as bad as the people who says it’s the route issue of everything.
What the debate needs to be is how is best to allow these migrants to contribute and how do we put the infrastructure in place
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Can’t it be both?
Immigration is an issue and to brush it aside as xenophobia is as bad as the people who says it’s the route issue of everything.
What the debate needs to be is how is best to allow these migrants to contribute and how do we put the infrastructure in place
Which is beautiful, and noble and reasonable. The problem is, that's not what our own government does nor the MSM. The right-wing media and our rightwing government demonises (disabled, migrants, asylum seekers, even f*cking lawyers!) so it has to be vigorously challenged until we can treat this issue maturely. It's naive to think that there isn't racism and xenophobia going on. In fact, just blanket it as discrimination.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I like immigrants, but where are all the woman and children? They all seem to be fit young lads of fighting age.
You like immigrants but you want to meet women and children rather than the fit young lads of fighting age. Have you thought this post through?
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Ah the DailyMail, the newspaper that distracts the plebs with stories aimed at engaging them about immigrants and benefits all while the rich are robbing us all.
I know it's not all old people but there seems to be a significant amount of the elderly who read this shit and can't see how much they're being made fools of.
It doesn't matter where it comes from, it raises an important question, how are we going to improve services and get you in a position to buy your own house if the population keeps rising at 6.6% per year?
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
It doesn't matter where it comes from, it raises an important question, how are we going to improve services and get you in a position to buy your own house if the population keeps rising at 6.6% per year?
Let’s at least get the question right, it was 6.6% over 10 years.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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North Cardiff Blue
I've just come back in from work and some of these replies are hysterical, talk about an overreaction I think some of you were crying when you replied, get a grip and grow some.
I read it and the bit that jumped out to me is “Between 2011 and 2021, the population of England and Wales grew by a staggering 3.5 million, or about 6.6 per cent.”
As someone correctly pointed out it is due to immigration but also births outstripping deaths, but regardless it explains some of the posts we’ve seen the last few weeks, like I can’t get a doctor, dentist, ambulance, looked after in A&E, a hospital bed a policeman to call after a burglary, buy a house.
We have a problem the population of the UK and many other countries is growing at a significantly faster pace than all our important service providers.
I was expecting to see a sensible discussion about this and how it can be dealt with going forward and how immigration can bring positive benefits such as targeting doctors overseas etc.
Still I suppose it does show who just have one agenda and won’t look at any article and give a measured sensible response.
No doubt I'll come back next time to 30 replies screaming it's all Boris's fault, don't let me down :thumbup:
You’re calling people hysterical then suggesting it’s immigrants fault that houses are too expensive here. Bit mad that tbh
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
I've just come back in from work and some of these replies are hysterical, talk about an overreaction I think some of you were crying when you replied, get a grip and grow some.
I read it and the bit that jumped out to me is “Between 2011 and 2021, the population of England and Wales grew by a staggering 3.5 million, or about 6.6 per cent.”
As someone correctly pointed out it is due to immigration but also births outstripping deaths, but regardless it explains some of the posts we’ve seen the last few weeks, like I can’t get a doctor, dentist, ambulance, looked after in A&E, a hospital bed a policeman to call after a burglary, buy a house.
We have a problem the population of the UK and many other countries is growing at a significantly faster pace than all our important service providers.
I was expecting to see a sensible discussion about this and how it can be dealt with going forward and how immigration can bring positive benefits such as targeting doctors overseas etc.
Still I suppose it does show who just have one agenda and won’t look at any article and give a measured sensible response.
No doubt I'll come back next time to 30 replies screaming it's all Boris's fault, don't let me down :thumbup:
The reason you can’t get any of that stuff is because of under investment in public services and austerity and stories like this are then used to make people keep voting for the same people who don’t invest in them.
Well done on falling for it hook line and sinker.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
You like immigrants but you want to meet women and children rather than the fit young lads of fighting age. Have you thought this post through?
All the videos I have seen show young men, where are all the woman and children?
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
All the videos I have seen show young men, where are all the woman and children?
What videos are you talking about?? This thread is about the people who the UK has allowed into the country over the years not asylum seekers. Try #tommy if you are looking for a kindred spirit!
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
What videos are you talking about?? This thread is about the people who the UK has allowed into the country over the years not asylum seekers. Try #tommy if you are looking for a kindred spirit!
The picture in the OP showing young men on a dinghy, plus countless other video showing the same thing.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Ah the DailyMail, the newspaper that distracts the plebs with stories aimed at engaging them about immigrants and benefits all while the rich are robbing us all.
I know it's not all old people but there seems to be a significant amount of the elderly who read this shit and can't see how much they're being made fools of.
Hurrah for the Blackshirts
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The picture in the OP showing young men on a dinghy, plus countless other video showing the same thing.
I'll try this slowly.
The OP posted a Daily Mail opinion article saying we are still invaded by immigrants even after we left the EU.
The Daily Mail, in all innocence, posted a picture of asylum seekers in a dinghy as its first reference. Even though the opinion piece was about migrants allowed into the country before and after Brexit.
Even the Daily Mail didn't think it would sucker too many idiots by posting a picture of asylum seekers not the half million legal immigrants that the Home Office allowed into the country in the last year after we took control of our borders six years after Brexit.
They even put something under the picture saying this as a disclaimer:
The Government is very exercised about the number of asylum seekers crossing the Channel in small boats. The wonder, though, is that so much time and energy are spent debating about asylum seekers while few people have noticed the growing numbers of legal migrants that are arriving in this country
Stlll!
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
Let’s at least get the question right, it was 6.6% over 10 years.
Facts are so last year.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
I'll try this slowly.
The OP posted a Daily Mail opinion article saying we are still invaded by immigrants even after we left the EU.
The Daily Mail, in all innocence, posted a picture of asylum seekers in a dinghy as its first reference. Even though the opinion piece was about migrants allowed into the country before and after Brexit.
Even the Daily Mail didn't think it would sucker too many idiots by posting a picture of asylum seekers not the half million legal immigrants that the Home Office allowed into the country in the last year after we took control of our borders six years after Brexit.
They even put something under the picture saying this as a disclaimer:
The Government is very exercised about the number of asylum seekers crossing the Channel in small boats. The wonder, though, is that so much time and energy are spent debating about asylum seekers while few people have noticed the growing numbers of legal migrants that are arriving in this country
Stlll!
Well I'm talking about the people crossing the channel on boats.
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Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Well I'm talking about the people crossing the channel on boats.
There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?
Try a new thread!