Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Serious question, but when did the assault type weapons or high powered rifles etc become legal in the US? Have they always been so? The number of mass shootings is increasing significantly as is the number of general firearm deaths and suicide deaths.
There is also only a very loose connection between gun ownership and gun death rates when you look at it state by state.
Something has changed in the last 10 years. Don't get me wrong, I would ban these assault weapons tomorrow and raise the gun ownership rate to at the very least 21, but it strikes me that the change is not actually in relation to access to guns and the severity of the guns - is that right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vi..._United_States
I guess increasing inequality. many people are under a lot of pressure these days, and the gap between the haves and have nots in America is widening all the time.
I saw a historian noting a few years ago that it is approaching the point (or already there) at which in other societies in the past we have seen violent uprisings and revolution. so it is easy to see why there is more simmering resentment in general, and this building resentment has been redirected from those that have all the power to other groups.
attribute the blame to immigrants, to culture wars etc etc, that is the reason your life is so hard now, not the fact that those at the top are making more and more money.
pressure is definitely building like a pressure cooker, who knows how it will end
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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SLUDGE FACTORY
They are assholes though , you can't educate assholes
bit more generalization, not sure all 80 IQ Hicks are assholes, but still doesn't take away the fact that they are not a new thing, they were around along time before Trump came to power
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I guess increasing inequality. many people are under a lot of pressure these days, and the gap between the haves and have nots in America is widening all the time.
I saw a historian noting a few years ago that it is approaching the point (or already there) at which in other societies in the past we have seen violent uprisings and revolution. so it is easy to see why there is more simmering resentment in general, and this building resentment has been redirected from those that have all the power to other groups.
attribute the blame to immigrants, to culture wars etc etc, that is the reason your life is so hard now, not the fact that those at the top are making more and more money.
pressure is definitely building like a pressure cooker, who knows how it will end
Agree, and with people armed with assault rifles, what could possibly go wrong?
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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blue matt
bit more generalization, not sure all 80 IQ Hicks are assholes, but still doesn't take away the fact that they are not a new thing, they were around along time before Trump came to power
It was such an ignorant generalisation, not even worth bothering with. The demographic with most gun violence in America isn't 80IQ hicks i can assure you.
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Lither_1927
America is a sick society in decay, The gun is just a symptom of deeper illness. There was a time not so long ago when kids took firearms to school for shooting practice. America wasn't always like this...personally i think the decline in religion correlates with a rise in nihilism, fecklessness, and moral relativism leading to chaos.
It's the blacks
Even when it's a white guy like this one , it's the blacks
You complete tool
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
It was such an ignorant generalisation, not even worth bothering with. The demographic with most gun violence in America isn't 80IQ hicks i can assure you.
It's non believers obviously
Christians for the right to bear arms !
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Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
It was such an ignorant generalisation, not even worth bothering with. The demographic with most gun violence in America isn't 80IQ hicks i can assure you.
Is your "old PC" still booting up? A month or so ago, I believe you promised some stats about non-whites committing the most mass shootings that never came to fruition.
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
bit more generalization, not sure all 80 IQ Hicks are assholes, but still doesn't take away the fact that they are not a new thing, they were around along time before Trump came to power
I am certain that the majority of uneducated idiots carrying guns in America are assholes
And a lot of the rest with weapons are too
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
There are a lot of gross generalisations about these things, with both sides looking for evidence they are right.
The fact this happens is part of the problem. The causes are complex and very unlikely to fit with any ideological position.
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
There are a lot of gross generalisations about these things, with both sides looking for evidence they are right.
The fact this happens is part of the problem. The causes are complex and very unlikely to fit with any ideological position.
Why is it that in Canada , a society with access to guns , far fewer people per head of population are killed by firearms than over the border ?
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Why is it that in Canada , a society with access to guns , far fewer people per head of population are killed by firearms than over the border ?
Because gun laws are far stricter is no doubt a very large part of the story.
Guns are utterly ridiculous. I can, at a stretch respect their right to bear arms, and owning a pistol to protect your family or whatever, but the rest is ridiculous.
My point is more that access to guns is a constant in the US and is a constant across the US - sure, access to them is stricter in some places than others and thats good, but fundementally if you wanted one you could get one.
And yet, despite that constant, gun deaths are soaring and they vary hugely by state, which suggests that as ridiculous as their gun laws are, there is something else happening too.
There were 1,002 gun murders in Chicago alone last year. 1,002!!!!
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...eaths-82053645
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
Guns Don't Kill People....17 years old.... and we're still hearing the old tropes on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICG0MuzEYzw
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It's the blacks
Even when it's a white guy like this one , it's the blacks
You complete tool
You have no logical flow to these posts. It's just like a random driveby shooting with words.
Are you feeling ok?
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Citizen's Nephew
Not the GLC in support of gun control. Really?
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Lither_1927
Not the GLC in support of gun control. Really?
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Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
Jesus. This thread is a shit show.
At least I know who to put on ignore though.
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
Them same people have been around decades before trump was president
Them same 80 IQ Hicks are the same people who farmed the land that fed the US, the same who worked in the factories of the US
though I guess a bit of generalization goes a long way :shrug:
Who cares? These are the people who support anyone being able to buy assault rifles because of 'FrEeDoM', they're the same people who support the extreme right while the country sleepwalks into fascism.
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Because gun laws are far stricter is no doubt a very large part of the story.
Guns are utterly ridiculous. I can, at a stretch respect their right to bear arms, and owning a pistol to protect your family or whatever, but the rest is ridiculous.
My point is more that access to guns is a constant in the US and is a constant across the US - sure, access to them is stricter in some places than others and thats good, but fundementally if you wanted one you could get one.
And yet, despite that constant, gun deaths are soaring and they vary hugely by state, which suggests that as ridiculous as their gun laws are, there is something else happening too.
There were 1,002 gun murders in Chicago alone last year. 1,002!!!!
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...eaths-82053645
Respect their right to bear arms!!!!!!!!????
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Respect their right to bear arms!!!!!!!!????
Well it's a large part of the country's culture. I don't agree with it at all, but I understand the history behind it and the reasoning. I'm in favour of strict gun laws, but I'm also in favour of women wearing mini skirts if they wish. It doesn't mean I don't understand why it is frowned upon in parts of the muslim world.
The reality is people have a right to own a gun in America, and I think it's pointless looking to ban them entirely so the focus is on assault weapons etc, but also, my point being that gun ownership is a constant, whereas gun deaths has seen a huge increase in recent years, which suggests there are other factors at play.
I think gun suicides have doubled in a decade.
Re: Chicago Mass Shooting
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Well it's a large part of the country's culture. I don't agree with it at all, but I understand the history behind it and the reasoning. I'm in favour of strict gun laws, but I'm also in favour of women wearing mini skirts if they wish. It doesn't mean I don't understand why it is frowned upon in parts of the muslim world.
The reality is people have a right to own a gun in America, and I think it's pointless looking to ban them entirely so the focus is on assault weapons etc, but also, my point being that gun ownership is a constant, whereas gun deaths has seen a huge increase in recent years, which suggests there are other factors at play.
I think gun suicides have doubled in a decade.
Suicides in many demographics have increased over the last decade. Social media usage and people with disabilities being two groups with greater suicide ideation. Access to a gun makes suicide attempts significantly more successful. So I think there's any easy correlation.