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Thread: Freedom for cartoonists

  1. #1

    Freedom for cartoonists

    Japanese Manga porn.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30698640

    Legal in Japan BUT BANNED IN THE WEST.

    What happened to freedom of expression in this area.

    BBC angle is why has Manga porn not been banned in Japan rather than why can't we buy it here.
    Pussycats


    Satire

  2. #2

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    I think it's probably the child porn element that is banned rather than the cartoon side of it. Just guessing.

  3. #3
    Guest

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.

  4. #4

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Does that sound familiar?

  5. #5
    Guest

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Of course, and I'd see your point if these satirical magazines were being made in places like Iran.

  6. #6

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    I'm still missing your point I'm afraid. What is it you are trying to get at?

  7. #7

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    Different cultures you see.
    That is my point.

  8. #8

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    Does that sound familiar?
    Freedom of Speech, like the law of the land, and the rights to rehabilitation are essential concepts however and must be stood up for.

  9. #9

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Muslims dont like cartoons taking the piss out of their religion
    The west dont see the rpoblem with satire, its only a cartoon afterall
    But then westerners dont like cartoons sexualising young girls
    Yet muslims can marry and have their way with young girls
    Irony overload

  10. #10

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:45
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    Does that sound familiar?
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    I'm still missing your point I'm afraid. What is it you are trying to get at?
    Dapper Laughs is still free perform where ever some one wants to book him.

  11. #11

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    Does that sound familiar?
    Yes I get that different continents might have different laws, but what difference does that make?

  12. #12
    Guest

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Has anyone from the west gone and shot up any of the offices that draw these yet? Therein lies the difference

  13. #13

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Two Welsh journals were pulped in 2006 because they printed cartoons depicting Mohammed - where were the politically correct hand-wringers then?

    http://dailywales.net/2015/01/08/llanistan-welsh-journals-pu lped-in-2006-for-printing-cartoon-of-mohammed/

  14. #14

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    I think the Oatmeal gets this issue pretty spot on, as usual:

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion

  15. #15

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Surely the reason that childporn comics are banned is because they are seen to encourage an act that could end up seriously hurting a real child. For that reason it makes sense to ban them. I don't see a similar reason for censoring the religious cartoons.


    I am annoyed to see these muppets at the French magazine lauded as heroes by so many people though. They know what the reaction will be when they publish these cartoons and it's not just them who suffer. 2 completely innocent policeman were killed yesterday because some pricks like winding up crazed killers.

  16. #16

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by blue sky wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 11:14
    Two Welsh journals were pulped in 2006 because they printed cartoons depicting Mohammed - where were the politically correct hand-wringers then?
    That was an editorial decision on a low-circulation church newspaper which probably tries to avoid offending anyone.

  17. #17

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:52
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    Does that sound familiar?
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    I'm still missing your point I'm afraid. What is it you are trying to get at?
    That's why you get Ghettos

  18. #18

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.

  19. #19

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve R wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 14:44
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    Jap porn is full of this , cartoon and real people , very wierd really for such a polite nationality of people.

  20. #20
    Guest

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 14:40
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:52
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    Does that sound familiar?
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    I'm still missing your point I'm afraid. What is it you are trying to get at?
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    We in the West will support Cartoonists freedom to distribute cartoons that cause religious offence to mental fanatics.
    no there isn't. if the majority wanted child porn laws then I'm pretty sure Parliament would ultimately follow the will of the people. That is how democracy works. The fact is the vast majority of people find child porn repulsive ergo any depiction whether explicit or implied is just not acceptable. The difference here is that we have a democratic process whereas the terrorists do not. They cannot abide different viewpoints from their own warped logic and as such feel the need to kill people.

  21. #21

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 14:40
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:52
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    Does that sound familiar?
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    I'm still missing your point I'm afraid. What is it you are trying to get at?
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    We in the West will support Cartoonists freedom to distribute cartoons that cause religious offence to mental fanatics.
    I think you might be taking it all out of context. I could live in Japan with a cartoonist drawing weird stuff. If a couple of Europeans then decided to shoot a load of Japanese people because they were offended by those cartoons I don't think that means no Europeans could live there.

  22. #22

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 15:13
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 14:40
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:52
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    Does that sound familiar?
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    I'm still missing your point I'm afraid. What is it you are trying to get at?
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    We in the West will support Cartoonists freedom to distribute cartoons that cause religious offence to mental fanatics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    But we in the West will not support the distribution of Japanese Manga porn in Britain and mainland Europe and the USA....
    it's just a discussion not a Reith lecture FFS

  23. #23

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 15:15
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 15:13
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 14:40
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:52
    Does that sound familiar?
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    I'm still missing your point I'm afraid. What is it you are trying to get at?
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    We in the West will support Cartoonists freedom to distribute cartoons that cause religious offence to mental fanatics.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    But we in the West will not support the distribution of Japanese Manga porn in Britain and mainland Europe and the USA....
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    Because of different cultures.
    Yes, I'm just discussing your usual nonsense.

  24. #24

    Re: Freedom for cartoonists

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:38
    I think it's more to do with anime and manga depicting lolita porn (or whatever it is called) - the sexualisation of school girls. It's the subject matter that's illegal and not the cartoon itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:28
    The cartoons of child sex are illegal Feedback...at least in the WEST. That was my point.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysBlueAway wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:14
    Different cultures you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 10:07
    Does that sound familiar?
    Were you being satirical as a f**king idiot?

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