Tory party leadership race

[surge]

Weird to think that we left the EU due to part of it being unelected and now are going to have 4'ish years of an unelected PM, especially after the fuss that was kicked up when Gordon Brown tried it.

I guess the only question you have to ask is whether this is Cruz and Trump or Hilary and Trump - it certainly isn't '08 Obama or even '12 Obama.

May sounds like the sensible choice but her attacks on civil liberties time after time really suggests she isn't: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tory-candidate

[life on mars]

Weird to think that we left the EU due to part of it being unelected and now are going to have 4'ish years of an unelected PM, especially after the fuss that was kicked up when Gordon Brown tried it.

I guess the only question you have to ask is whether this is Cruz and Trump or Hilary and Trump - it certainly isn't '08 Obama or even '12 Obama.

May sounds like the sensible choice but her attacks on civil liberties time after time really suggests she isn't: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tory-candidate

Well perhaps its time for a new broom, interestingly when we see a world seeking broader choices as their leaders , we see the Tories once again at the forefront of women's power , and Labour never really committing to that choice , one might argue "what liberty ?? ".

[Mrs Steve R]

Well perhaps its time for a new broom, interestingly when we see a world seeking broader choices as their leaders , we see the Tories once again at the forefront of women's power , and Labour never really committing to that choice , one might argue "what liberty ?? ".

Women have liberty, perhaps none have been suitable in the past? I don't think they should hire women just because they are women.

[life on mars]

Women have liberty, perhaps none have been suitable in the past? I don't think they should hire women just because they are women.

In my experience their have been some very capable Labour dedicated women MP's , the party simply did not select them , strangely they probably had more than the Tories on pure head count over the years.

[Mrs Steve R]

In my experience their have been some very capable Labour dedicated women MP's , the party simply did not select them , strangely they probably had more than the Tories on pure head count over the years.

If a man and a woman go for a job like that and have exactly the same qualifications and are both suitable which would you choose?

[Vimana.]

If a man and a woman go for a job like that and have exactly the same qualifications and are both suitable which would you choose?

The one with the lovely big round t ..

Ooops.
No that's not right is it. Is it? .. no .. I was going to say qui .. ffs .. yes, qualifications .


Pheww .. I think I got away with that ..

[life on mars]

If a man and a woman go for a job like that and have exactly the same qualifications and are both suitable which would you choose?

A woman just for a refresh ,as the blokes have made a right pigs ear of it really

[Wales-Bales]

Both seem a bit loopy, please can we bring back Dodgy Dave? At least we know he's only lying when he speaks.

[Wales-Bales]

Both seem a bit loopy, please can we bring back Dodgy Dave? At least we know he's only lying when he speaks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865

[Wales-Bales]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0f7b55795d2c4

[Wales-Bales]

Seems like May is set to become PM without a grassroots vote. I love it when a plan comes together, this whole thing seems like an obvious setup, starting with May sitting on the fence during the referendum. What we are witnessing is the "Tory Plan B" that was formulated long before the referendum. Notice how conveniently all the Brexit campaigners fell by the wayside at key moments. It will be interesting to see what happens now.

[lardy]

Seems like May is set to become PM without a grassroots vote. I love it when a plan comes together, this whole thing seems like an obvious setup, starting with May sitting on the fence during the referendum. What we are witnessing is the "Tory Plan B" that was formulated long before the referendum. Notice how conveniently all the Brexit campaigners fell by the wayside at key moments. It will be interesting to see what happens now.

What will happen now is something. And, no matter what it is, you will then say it was scripted and obvious all along.

[Wales-Bales]

What will happen now is something. And, no matter what it is, you will then say it was scripted and obvious all along.

Here we go again, Professor Lardy speaks. No ideas of his own but plenty to say about others

Whatever happens next, you can be sure that May needed to be the PM to make it happen, hence the excellent fence-sitting job she did during the referendum. When fighting a battle you don't send all of your troops in at once, you keep some in reserve.

Now I can see why you don't visit this half of the message board very much, because you are a bit thick. Stick to the football trivia section

BTW I've been saying all along that May and the Tories are up to something. Bye tosser

[lardy]

Here we go again, Professor Lardy speaks. No ideas of his own but plenty to say about others

Whatever happens next, you can be sure that May needed to be the PM to make it happen, hence the excellent fence-sitting job she did during the referendum. When fighting a battle you don't send all of your troops in at once, you keep some in reserve.

Now I can see why you don't visit this half of the message board very much, because you are a bit thick. Stick to the football trivia section

BTW I've been saying all along that May and the Tories are up to something. Bye tosser

Nice to see I can still get under your skin Gluey

I actually came back to partially defend what you're saying. The alternative to everything being scripted and part of the plan is that the people who are attempting to run the country have absolutely no clue what they're doing. It's probably a lot more reassuring to think that this is all supposed to happen.

I still find it hard to believe that someone like Boris would fall on his sword to help May become PM...

[itkman]

What is it with Brexiters an their total lack of stomach to deal with the mess they've made?

[Wales-Bales]

What is it with Brexiters an their total lack of stomach to deal with the mess they've made?

It's all scripted mate, everybody is just playing their part

[TH63]

What is it with Brexiters an their total lack of stomach to deal with the mess they've made?

I think it's a case of "Oh crap, we've won, I didn't see that happening, now what do we do? I know, let someone else sort it out"

[Wales-Bales]

I think it's a case of "Oh crap, we've won, I didn't see that happening, now what do we do? I know, let someone else sort it out"

This may be what the Tory press and the BBC want you to believe, but the vast majority of people on Twitter and other social media aren't buying it, they are calling it for exactly what it is - a stitch-up.

Here is one of the more friendly viewpoints ..

"Theresa May genuinely just won a leadership election by standing still and letting everyone else fall on the sword of their own ineptitude."

[itkman]

This may be what the Tory press and the BBC want you to believe, but the vast majority of people on Twitter and other social media aren't buying it, they are calling it for exactly what it is - a stitch-up.

Here is one of the more friendly viewpoints ..

"Theresa May genuinely just won a leadership election by standing still and letting everyone else fall on the sword of their own ineptitude."

I'm not entirely sure they could've predicted the country voting 'Leave'.

[Wales-Bales]

I'm not entirely sure they could've predicted the country voting 'Leave'.

I'm not talking about that, post-referendum the Brexiteers have been purposely falling on their swords, as per the Plan B

[jon1959]

I think it's a case of "Oh crap, we've won, I didn't see that happening, now what do we do? I know, let someone else sort it out"

Exactly.

This forum seems to be the home of conspiracy theorists now - but if there's a choice of explanation between 'cock up' and 'conspiracy' the answer (in my experience) is nearly always 'cock up'.

The Brexiteers didn't expect to win, had no plan, didn't want to be responsible for the mess, and ran away.

[Wales-Bales]

Exactly.

This forum seems to be the home of conspiracy theorists now - but if there's a choice of explanation between 'cock up' and 'conspiracy' the answer (in my experience) is nearly always 'cock up'.

The Brexiteers didn't expect to win, had no plan, didn't want to be responsible for the mess, and ran away.

I agree the Brexiteers didn't expect to win, but I disagree that they didn't have a plan, when it is so obvious that they did.

It is well recognized that people who absorb everything the press and BBC throw at them suffer from cognitive dissonance, and quite frankly you'd have to be an idiot to believe the Tories didn't have a Plan B, given that the polls were so close.

[lardy]

I agree the Brexiteers didn't expect to win, but I disagree that they didn't have a plan, when it is so obvious that they did.

It is well recognized that people who absorb everything the press and BBC throw at them suffer from cognitive dissonance, and quite frankly you'd have to be an idiot to believe the Tories didn't have a Plan B, given that the polls were so close.

Just to be clear, you're saying that everything that has happened in the last month or so was their Plan B?

[Organ Morgan.]

Exactly.

This forum seems to be the home of conspiracy theorists now - but if there's a choice of explanation between 'cock up' and 'conspiracy' the answer (in my experience) is nearly always 'cock up'.

The Brexiteers didn't expect to win, had no plan, didn't want to be responsible for the mess, and ran away.

I doubt whether anyone would describe Denis Healey as a conspiracy nutcase. Here's what he wrote: 'World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.' As he was a co-founder of the Bilderberg Group, one might say he was extremely well informed.

George Carlin was even more blunt - “Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you."

He was talking of the USA but the same applies here. Those remarks were made in this five-minute video, The American Dream.

[Wales-Bales]

I doubt whether anyone would describe Denis Healey as a conspiracy nutcase. Here's what he wrote: 'World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.' As he was a co-founder of the Bilderberg Group, one might say he was extremely well informed.

George Carlin was even more blunt - “Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you."

He was talking of the USA but the same applies here. Those remarks were made in this five-minute video, The American Dream

So true, critical thinking is essential to make sense of the world. There is so much literature available regarding control techniques that people could easily educate themselves. Maybe then their thoughts wouldn't mirror those of the BBC and other well known media corporations.