GLAMMY

[MacAdder]

Surprised to see Rudolph saying on the Glamorgan website that he wants another quick bowler signed up for next season, when it's been clear for the last few years that the batting, particularly in the top order, is not good enough.

Yes, Cooke and Ingram have been missing for most of the time, but, certainly in the four day game last season, they were as inconsistent as anyone - all of the younger batsmen used have had their ups and downs which is to expected, but what shouldn't be is that only one of the more experienced specialist batsmen (Will Bragg) has had what could be called a reasonable season in the Championship.

All out now, Gloucester need 90 to win.

He's got a point though. If you think how many times the lower order have made big stands against us, a decent bowler cleans up.
Agree there is no point in bowling sides out if you can't bat, they both go hand in hand but I wonder if our batsmen would apply themselves more if we had a decent attack. Most have got themselves decent scores this season, more so the young uns so they can do it if they try a bit harder!

Anyway, today's game is now over well within the 3rd day. We've hit a new low losing by 10 wickets!

[Pearcey3]

That pitch was docile. Senior players like Wagg and Meschede threw their wickets away. The mindset is all wrong. Players are not willing to fight for their wicket so time and again they are bowled out in 60 overs.
One day a youngster like Owen Morgan bats at 9. Two days later he opens the innings. Absolute nonsense.

We have a captain who is a specialist batsman who cannot average even as low as 25. Chris Cooke is our highest ranked batsman in division two but he is not even averaging 40 and is ranked 50th and hasn't played for three months.

We may well finish bottom so under Hugh Morris things are getting worse.
When MacAdder said Morris should go I thought it perhaps a bit harsh but in reality this is professional sport and the players are failing abysmally. Time for Hugh to go and the likes of Meschede and Rudolph need to be cleared out.

[qccfc]

That pitch was docile. Senior players like Wagg and Meschede threw their wickets away. The mindset is all wrong. Players are not willing to fight for their wicket so time and again they are bowled out in 60 overs.
One day a youngster like Owen Morgan bats at 9. Two days later he opens the innings. Absolute nonsense.

We have a captain who is a specialist batsman who cannot average even as low as 25. Chris Cooke is our highest ranked batsman in division two but he is not even averaging 40 and is ranked 50th and hasn't played for three months.

We may well finish bottom so under Hugh Morris things are getting worse.
When MacAdder said Morris should go I thought it perhaps a bit harsh but in reality this is professional sport and the players are failing abysmally. Time for Hugh to go and the likes of Meschede and Rudolph need to be cleared out.

That's very harsh on Meschede who is really a bowling all rounder. I would very much stick him in the one for the future category, and i think there is promise in his game.

Its hard to complain about your 7 & 8 who are not performing with the bat, but ultimately that is not their job, it the top order that is constantly failing that is the problem. I would like to see a new overseas player come in, but i think contractually that will prove difficult.

At Glamorgan we seem to be going through coaches at an alarming rate, and now we seem to want our CEO out. I wouldnt mind seeing some stability, this season if anything we have the progression of some of the younger players, who might benefit from staying in the same structure.

If we can do anything with the overseas player, get Ingram through a knee op to enable him to play the longer form and sign an experienced top order batsman things could get better.

[Pearcey3]

That's very harsh on Meschede who is really a bowling all rounder. I would very much stick him in the one for the future category, and i think there is promise in his game.

Its hard to complain about your 7 & 8 who are not performing with the bat, but ultimately that is not their job, it the top order that is constantly failing that is the problem. I would like to see a new overseas player come in, but i think contractually that will prove difficult.

At Glamorgan we seem to be going through coaches at an alarming rate, and now we seem to want our CEO out. I wouldnt mind seeing some stability, this season if anything we have the progression of some of the younger players, who might benefit from staying in the same structure.

If we can do anything with the overseas player, get Ingram through a knee op to enable him to play the longer form and sign an experienced top order batsman things could get better.

Meschede is mid 20's and is an experienced player so not really one for the future. If he is a bowling all rounder he needs to do better than a bowling average of 52 which is pretty hopeless.
I agree coaches should be given a proper chance and given three seasons to show what they can do. I think the same should apply to the Chief Exec.
We have seen some promise in our youngsters but the seniors are badly letting them down. It won't help the younger players playing in a beaten side week in week out.

Under Hugh Morris we are going backwards so something has to give.

[the other bob wilson]

Meschede is mid 20's and is an experienced player so not really one for the future. If he is a bowling all rounder he needs to do better than a bowling average of 52 which is pretty hopeless.
I agree coaches should be given a proper chance and given three seasons to show what they can do. I think the same should apply to the Chief Exec.
We have seen some promise in our youngsters but the seniors are badly letting them down. It won't help the younger players playing in a beaten side week in week out.

Under Hugh Morris we are going backwards so something has to give.

Ingram was as inconsistent as the rest of them when he played four day cricket for all of last season, but I heard him described as the best one day batsman in domestic cricket at one time during the summer, so being without him all season in the Championship has to be a huge miss for the club.

Similarly, I'm not convinced the batting would have been much better if Cooke had been there for the second half of the season, but if you're a Glamorgan coach or official called to task by the Committee to explain our very poor four day results and batting performances towards the end of this season, you are bound to cite the absence of these two players as a reason for all of the defeats.

I'm not sure what more Morris could do in terms of bringing youngsters through and the most encouraging thing about our Championship season is the way so many of them have shown at times that they have the quality to make a decent career for themselves in the game.

If there has been a failure, it's been that the batsmen you rely on most have not been consistent enough - Bragg has done better than normal to be fair, but Rudolph has been dreadful, Wallace has been given responsibilities which he would have struggled to cope with in his batting pomp and Cooke was his usual up and down self when he played.

To me, Glamorgan are a bit like England in that, when they are behind in a game and have to bat a second time, they nearly always fold and end up losing heavily. Both sides tend to score their runs quickly, but England struggle to build partnerships and have only one or two players who I have confidence in to bat long and responsibly - with Rudolph having such a nightmare season, there isn't one player in the Glamorgan side I feel like that about currently!

I'd prefer to give Croft and Morris another season where, hopefully, everyone is fit (Rudolph spoke about Ingram playing four day cricket again in that interview I mentioned earlier) - I'm not wholly convinced that the experienced men at the top of the order will be able to deliver the goods, but Donald, Lloyd and Selman are developing cricketers and you'd like to think there'd be a bit more to come from them.

[qccfc]

Meschede is mid 20's and is an experienced player so not really one for the future. If he is a bowling all rounder he needs to do better than a bowling average of 52 which is pretty hopeless.
I agree coaches should be given a proper chance and given three seasons to show what they can do. I think the same should apply to the Chief Exec.
We have seen some promise in our youngsters but the seniors are badly letting them down. It won't help the younger players playing in a beaten side week in week out.

Under Hugh Morris we are going backwards so something has to give.

At 24 i would still put Meschede as one for the future, yes his average needs to improve, but that will come, he will bat better when the top order give him a platform. Same age as David Lloyd, younger then TVG.

Morris role involves running the finances as well as the side and i feel we are seeing a better glamorgan at that point, they have been busy with the local clubs, the ODI were well run and i enjoyed the concerts that they put on at the SWALEC also. With these events hopefully we can see some money filter into the cricketing side of things. We are awfully hampered by the fact we have poor crowds comparatively to the other counties especially in the T20.

I dont think that Cricket is like football where changing the management then changes the fortunes on the pitch. There isnt such an active transfer aspect of cricket, where it may be easier to sign players in the problem areas, and changing things around are a more longer term project. I feel the shoots are there, the younger players are performing better than i would have expected, but the disappointing factor is that the senior players are not standing up, or are ageing to the point that performances are declining.

Since Maynard i dont think it had helped that we have gone from chopping and changing on a 2 year basis, implementing plans, then ripping them up and starting again.

[Pearcey3]

I agree with much of what has been said in the last two posts but at some stage the hierarchy have to take responsibility. We have had three seasons under Morris and if anything things have gotten worse on the pitch although financially the club is now much more secure and Morris is rightly looking at using the ground for other income streams.
However results on the pitch have to start improving and the club need to be able to bring some of our youngsters through.

My concern is that the youngsters are playing in losing sides. This won't help their development. Will the likes of Donald, Carey,Morgan and Karlson go the same way as Salter who looks surplus to requirements having failed to progress.

We also desperately need a batting coach too.

[Llanedeyrnblue]

Good recovery going on by Carlson 72 n o and Morgan 31 n o ....199-7

The first 5 batters could only muster 34 runs between them

[BlueToujours]

Great batting by Carlson and Morgan 100no and 50no respectively. There may be some hope for the future!

[Pearcey3]

Kiran Carlson is just 18. He has put more senior players to shame with a brilliant century. Well done to Owen Morgan too on another mature batting performance.
These two have so far put on 129 . Brilliant effort and shows that we have two players who are willing to fight for their wickets. Let's hope others follow their suit.

Things have to change next season. With Ingram and Cooke playing four day cricket competition for places will be much tougher so someone like Rudolph will have to justify his place in the side. Ditto David Lloyd who has had a wretched few months and Meschede too.

[Alex!]

I had a giggle when hearing about a delayed start due to the kit van getting caught in traffic, haha.

We signed Scott Borthwick today, life is kinda rosy...

[the other bob wilson]

I had a giggle when hearing about a delayed start due to the kit van getting caught in traffic, haha.

We signed Scott Borthwick today, life is kinda rosy...

That's moneybags Surrey, the team we bowled out for 93 and 110 in this season's 20/20, you're talking about there is it - perennial under achievers given their resources.

On the Glamorgan front, what an effort by Carlson and Morgan - without these great moments from our youngsters and a decent first campaign for van der Gugten to cling on to, this season would be a disaster.

[qccfc]

That's moneybags Surrey, the team we bowled out for 93 and 110 in this season's 20/20, you're talking about there is it - perennial under achievers given their resources.

On the Glamorgan front, what an effort by Carlson and Morgan - without these great moments from our youngsters and a decent first campaign for van der Gugten to cling on to, this season would be a disaster.

Its all about how you look at the team.

Last night Steve James tweeted that this is the most promising season for Glamorgan for many a year, with young players making stand out performances, but with experienced players not performing the results have been bad.

I personally cannot remember a year where so many of the younger players have put in performances of such a level, we have the youngest Glamorgan Centurion yesterday, and Donald equaled Maynard's record for youngest to 100 runs. That all bodes well for the future.

With regards to the coaching issue, its difficult to call for a specialist batting coach because i don't know how the current system works, there are coaches and those coaches will take batting sessions, there will be batting drills in the nets. I remember earlier in the year Croft being quoted as saying that he wants the players to play with a care free attitude and to express themselves. In my opinion that attitude has gone too far, and needs to be reigned back in.

[the other bob wilson]

Its all about how you look at the team.

Last night Steve James tweeted that this is the most promising season for Glamorgan for many a year, with young players making stand out performances, but with experienced players not performing the results have been bad.

I personally cannot remember a year where so many of the younger players have put in performances of such a level, we have the youngest Glamorgan Centurion yesterday, and Donald equaled Maynard's record for youngest to 100 runs. That all bodes well for the future.

With regards to the coaching issue, its difficult to call for a specialist batting coach because i don't know how the current system works, there are coaches and those coaches will take batting sessions, there will be batting drills in the nets. I remember earlier in the year Croft being quoted as saying that he wants the players to play with a care free attitude and to express themselves. In my opinion that attitude has gone too far, and needs to be reigned back in.

Agree completely - it's my age I suppose, but the modern philosophy seems to be that building an innings gradually is uncool somehow, better to go out and "express yourself" and then get your stumps knocked out after scoring a flashy 20 off fifteen balls.

The longer forms of cricket had been played a certain way for well over one hundred years, but lately the thinking that this has been based on has been overtaken by the theory that sides "move the game forward quickly" or try to hit their way out of trouble when they are under pressure.

It's the usual thing that there is a middle way between the two extremes (in this case, a typical Geoff Boycott innings and the sort of absolutely mad shot Mark Wallace played to get out yesterday) which is the right way to go, but Glamorgan have got themselves into a rut whereby they score at something like four an over, yet struggle to bat more than fifty overs.

The batsmen who were at the crease before Carson and Morgan got together yesterday should be feeling embarrassed this morning after seeing two youngsters with about ten first class matches between them battle to retrieve the mess they had created, but, they never play as if the lessons of previous failures have been learned, so I doubt it if they will - they'll no doubt go out and "express themselves" again in the second innings when we'll be something like 80-6 off about twenty overs.

[Alex!]

That's moneybags Surrey, the team we bowled out for 93 and 110 in this season's 20/20, you're talking about there is it - perennial under achievers given their resources.

On the Glamorgan front, what an effort by Carlson and Morgan - without these great moments from our youngsters and a decent first campaign for van der Gugten to cling on to, this season would be a disaster.

With regards to T20, probably yeah. Had Aaron Finch been with us earlier in the season we'd have probably rolled along a bit further. This season was all about staying in Div 1 which we've done, and even got ourselves another One Day final at Lords on the side.

[Llanedeyrnblue]

Kiran Carlson is just 18. He has put more senior players to shame with a brilliant century. Well done to Owen Morgan too on another mature batting performance.
These two have so far put on 129 . Brilliant effort and shows that we have two players who are willing to fight for their wickets. Let's hope others follow their suit.

Things have to change next season. With Ingram and Cooke playing four day cricket competition for places will be much tougher so someone like Rudolph will have to justify his place in the side. Ditto David Lloyd who has had a wretched few months and Meschede too.

THIS ^^^^

These two youngsters have put the more experienced batsmen to shame, we need a batting coach for next season to bring the youngsters on.

[MacAdder]

Glam 286 all out Essex 73-4

It gives me great pleasure to report, not solely because of all the doom and gloom over the last day on the footy front, that Glamorgan's batsmen may have learnt something from their bowlers....how to bat!
After losing Selman pretty early on, Cap'n Jacques and Bragg look like making a century partnership. Glammy currently 107 for 1 after dispatching the tail this morning pretty cheaply.

After the Lord mayors show and all but it would be nice to p1ss on moneybags Essex's parade

[Llanedeyrnblue]

Glam 150-4, 117 in front

Just heard that Carlson is now the youngest Glammy player to score a first class century

[Llanedeyrnblue]

It gives me great pleasure to report, not solely because of all the doom and gloom over the last day on the footy front, that Glamorgan's batsmen may have learnt something from their bowlers....how to bat!
After losing Selman pretty early on, Cap'n Jacques and Bragg look like making a century partnership. Glammy currently 107 for 1 after dispatching the tail this morning pretty cheaply.

After the Lord mayors show and all but it would be nice to p1ss on moneybags Essex's parade

That would be nice I've never liked them

[the other bob wilson]

It gives me great pleasure to report, not solely because of all the doom and gloom over the last day on the footy front, that Glamorgan's batsmen may have learnt something from their bowlers....how to bat!
After losing Selman pretty early on, Cap'n Jacques and Bragg look like making a century partnership. Glammy currently 107 for 1 after dispatching the tail this morning pretty cheaply.

After the Lord mayors show and all but it would be nice to p1ss on moneybags Essex's parade

Er, 208-7 after declining from 127-1 to 163-7.

[Pearcey3]

You beat me to it Paul. Yet another collapse.
I think you and others are being very kind to the batsmen. They can't just go out and play their shots. I know you haven't said that but what has been going on has been unprofessional.They should be looking to gradually build an innings rather than play high risk cricket and give their wickets away. They can play like that in T20.

Crofty isn't a batting specialist. He can nurture our spinners but the batsmen need a former batsman to guide them. It really should be a priority.

I do agree that the emergence of a healthy crop of youngsters has been a delight to see but it concerns me they will end up picking up the same had habits as their seniors.
I hope Morris pays off Rudolph as he occupies a place that may deny one of our youngsters next season.

[qccfc]

You beat me to it Paul. Yet another collapse.
I think you and others are being very kind to the batsmen. They can't just go out and play their shots. I know you haven't said that but what has been going on has been unprofessional.They should be looking to gradually build an innings rather than play high risk cricket and give their wickets away. They can play like that in T20.

Crofty isn't a batting specialist. He can nurture our spinners but the batsmen need a former batsman to guide them. It really should be a priority.

I do agree that the emergence of a healthy crop of youngsters has been a delight to see but it concerns me they will end up picking up the same had habits as their seniors.
I hope Morris pays off Rudolph as he occupies a place that may deny one of our youngsters next season.

Why does a batsman need a former batsman to coach him.

[Pearcey3]

Why does a batsman need a former batsman to coach him.

To install the right mindset which our lot clearly do not have. Stick them with Chris Tavare next season and make them appreciate the value of their wickets. We have a team that doesn't know how to play the situation in any given match.

[qccfc]

To install the right mindset which our lot clearly do not have. Stick them with Chris Tavare next season and make them appreciste the value of their wickets. We have a team that doesn't know how to play the situation in any given match.

When you go into cricket coaching they don't allocate roles on how you played, Croft would have done the top end qualification to get to this point, he is more than capable of doing more that talking to the spinners.

That being said there is something to be said of talking to a batsman who has played at the top level for tips, that could be done on a consultancy basis, or they would get tips of the captain of the team who has 6 test centuries and a high score of 222*

A bowler stands in front of a batsman and analyses his technique every ball. If you have a problem with your technique why wouldnt you talk to a bowler, and ask him how he would go about getting him out and what he should change to put this right.

[Pearcey3]

The Tavare bit was partially tongue in cheek but we don't have players who know how to graft for an innings and fight it out.