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    Diane Abbott

    “Served her time” for what she said in that letter to the Observer, yet still banned from standing as a candidate for the constituency she’s served for nearly forty years - shame onKeir Starmer’s party that was rolling out the welcome mat to a right wing Tory a few weeks ago.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-69072113

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    “Served her time” for what she said in that letter to the Observer, yet still banned from standing as a candidate for the constituency she’s served for nearly forty years - shame onKeir Starmer’s party that was rolling out the welcome mat to a right wing Tory a few weeks ago.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-69072113
    For once I agree with you, wasnt she the first black woman MP and the longest standing with a 33k majority. Pity she went down the anti semite route along with Corbyn, Long Bailey, Ken Livingston etc. She should have been allowed to stand as a Labour candidate, even if her ideas on what is racist are questionable. Just like when she said on the whole Mao did more good than harm - ignoring the fact he murdered between 45-60,000,000 of his own people.

    There will be deal done and she will be Baroness Abbott of Tower Hamlets soon enough, in return for her not standing and definitely not appearing on TV or Radio.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    “Served her time” for what she said in that letter to the Observer, yet still banned from standing as a candidate for the constituency she’s served for nearly forty years - shame onKeir Starmer’s party that was rolling out the welcome mat to a right wing Tory a few weeks ago.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-69072113
    Abbott like Corbyn , livingstone , Benn etc more concerned about being on tv than the reality of 2024

    The woman has faced dreadful racism in her time but her comments about other groups suffering from it were enough for her to be booted into political no man's land

    But ......

    Starmer has said at 2pm she's not been banned

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Abbott like Corbyn , livingstone , Benn etc more concerned about being on tv than the reality of 2024

    The woman has faced dreadful racism in her time but her comments about other groups suffering from it were enough for her to be booted into political no man's land

    But ......

    Starmer has said at 2pm she's not been banned
    But qualified it by saying that no final decision has yet been made! So not banned at the moment then. Straight from the school of political answer-avoidance faculty.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Abbott like Corbyn , livingstone , Benn etc more concerned about being on tv than the reality of 2024

    The woman has faced dreadful racism in her time but her comments about other groups suffering from it were enough for her to be booted into political no man's land

    But ......

    Starmer has said at 2pm she's not been banned
    Abbott, like Corbyn, Livingstone and Benn is a person of principles and nearer the true ethos of left leaning people.

    Starmer, on the other hand, is a disingenuous, Machiavelli who will stop at nothing to secure his prime goal.

    Unfortunately because of the dire state of
    British politics his dishonest pragmatism is the chief reason we shall all avoid plunging farther down the Tory abyss. Even though things won't seem all that very different from what they are now

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Abbott, like Corbyn, Livingstone and Benn is a person of principles and nearer the true ethos of left leaning people.

    Starmer, on the other hand, is a disingenuous, Machiavelli who will stop at nothing to secure his prime goal.

    Unfortunately because of the dire state of
    British politics his dishonest pragmatism is the chief reason we shall all avoid plunging farther down the Tory abyss. Even though things won't seem all that very different from what they are now
    Diane Abbott claims she hates racism but holds racist views agains the Jewish community. Diane Abbott criticises “the elite, wealthy people and those with privilege”. but then sends her kids to private school, which is set up for those precisely with wealth and privilege. So two big ones there to prove that she is not principled at all.

    A person of principle practices what they preach. That is what being “principled” means. There are no alternative means. So in fact, she is the complete opposite - a big time, Grade A hypocrite.

    So add hypocritical and racist to the other facts that she cannot do basic arithmetic, is thick, and is often on the wrong side of judgement on many topics, and you have the perfect set of reasons to kick the idiot out.

    The additional argument that “time spent” is a qualifier is ridiculous and emblematic of a cancerous public sector mentality that the longer you hang around like a bad smelling turd the more qualified you are to remain. It is nonsense. The qualifier should be track record and your ability to deliver. In other words, “merit” (proven ability) a word that seemingly frightens the average idiotic baboon that hangs on to long term employment when they are way past sell-by date, or perhaps were always low grade in the first place.

    The above is a much deserved hatchet job on this woman. Perhaps Elphicke was a poor hire, but is irrelevant to the matter in hand and is a straw man argument by the Lunatic Left. Thank god Labour has decapitated her. Perhaps we can kick other baboons out such as Lammy, Ashworth and Rayner, and leave Starmer’s shadow cabinet with serious people like Streeting, Reeves, Reynolds and maybe a few more decents.

    Hallelujah, brother this is a massive cause for a celebration. I’ll have a single malt to toast this one this evening.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by Keyser Soze View Post
    Hallelujah, brother this is a massive cause for a celebration. I’ll have a single malt to toast this one this evening.
    How dare you enjoy such luxury while criticising someone with wealth and privilege for sending their kids to private school, go buy some special brew like the rest of us non-hypocrites.

    I've never quite got this, surely someone arguing for change from within a system actually adds depth to a position as you can demonstrate that it isn't born from jealousy but from experience. It's human instinct to do the best possible for your children and opportunities are more prevalent for those with a private education.

    Anyway, must dash, jeeves is bringing the car round any minute.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    You need "Yes" people if you want to implement global technocratic authoritarianism. It's no coincidence that the long march through the institutions began in earnest when the main political parties started vetting candidates at central office level.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Abbott, like Corbyn, Livingstone and Benn is a person of principles and nearer the true ethos of left leaning people.

    Starmer, on the other hand, is a disingenuous, Machiavelli who will stop at nothing to secure his prime goal.

    Unfortunately because of the dire state of
    British politics his dishonest pragmatism is the chief reason we shall all avoid plunging farther down the Tory abyss. Even though things won't seem all that very different from what they are now
    In an ideal world the dreams of Abbott and the rest would be reality

    But they are able to spout so much nonsense because they know a socialist government will never be elected

    I don't rate starmer but he looks like he could win

    Something those that don't vote Tory....most of us .....have not seen for 14 years

    I genuinely think that Abbot, corbyn and Livingston don't care about getting rid of the Tories

    As long as they can protest about stuff and fly the red flag

    You can have principles as long as the M4 but left of centre governments need to be in power not drinking in the bar at party conferences

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    This is becoming a cock up and labour were clearly hoping this would just drift into the background and she would quietly disappear. I don't really understand it myself, I don't think she is a divisive enough figure that letting her stand will have any impact on their overall electoral chances.

    This is purely tactical and in the context of the recent defection it does just look ridiculous.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    This is becoming a cock up and labour were clearly hoping this would just drift into the background and she would quietly disappear. I don't really understand it myself, I don't think she is a divisive enough figure that letting her stand will have any impact on their overall electoral chances.

    This is purely tactical and in the context of the recent defection it does just look ridiculous.
    Either she's banned from fighting her seat which is what she said today , starmer has said she isn't

    She thinks she's very important which might be why she's been on social media ?

    Surely if she's really a woman of the people then she should have just got on with winning the seat for Labour

    She's got the same size ego as corbyn and the other dinosaurs

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Pretty poorly handled, although I do think it does demonstrate that she is a bit of a loose cannon really, not clearly working out what was happening before going to the press. I do respect Diane Abbott. A kind of Anne Widdecombe of Labour, but above and beyond that someone who did overcome a lot of difficulties and was a trailblazer etc.

    But yeah, the comms all seem off. I guess this is the kind of thing Sunak hoped for by taking people by surprise with the election?

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    None of this adds up..

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    She tends to be a liability and looks like she still is. A bit like Rees Mogg and the like, best not putting anywhere near a tv camera if you are hoping to get elected into power.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    The left of the labour party have never learned the lessons of the past

    They are told time and time again to shout and stamp your feet AFTER labour have been elected

    Abbot , Corbyn and their disciples can't help themselves and it wouldn't surprise me if the idiots turn up on question time trotting out the far left nonsense

    I would gag the lot of them

    It's 2024 , If in the long term those of us that don't vote Tory want them kept out of power the traditional old school tory v labour battle has got to end and the middle ground of labour , liberal and the smaller parties have got to get closer together

    The divisions of the non tory parties let's those very tories we don't like in atthe back door

    The labour party wasn't set up as far as I am aware to smash capitalism , it was there for better working conditions , a health service etc

    The far left are a pain in the arse

    I don't rate starmer but a reforming more moderate opposition party or a merger or coalition of the moderates is looking like it could win

    If abbot, corbyn , heffer and the rest were still about its doing the devil's work

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    She tends to be a liability and looks like she still is. A bit like Rees Mogg and the like, best not putting anywhere near a tv camera if you are hoping to get elected into power.
    Lock her in the cupboard for a month

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Lock her in the cupboard for a month
    I think they want to keep her away from the Cabinet.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Lock her in the cupboard for a month
    i thought the freezer was the go-to hiding place of people ahead in the polls who want to avoid tricky questions. Perhaps this time around Rishi volunteers to be filleted by Andrew Neil then after a couple of weeks of thought, Starmer says.....nah!

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I think they want to keep her away from the Cabinet.
    Top drawer gag that.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Well she's got her headlines on the news

    Well done you dozy clown

    Ego before the party , Ego before the people

    Horrible woman

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well she's got her headlines on the news

    Well done you dozy clown

    Ego before the party , Ego before the people

    Horrible woman
    But it is the party's fault they have got themselves in this mess Sludge.

    If they had sorted this out back in February when the matter was passed to the Chief Whip to sort out they would not be stuck with having to deal with it now.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    But it is the party's fault they have got themselves in this mess Sludge.

    If they had sorted this out back in February when the matter was passed to the Chief Whip to sort out they would not be stuck with having to deal with it now.
    Exactly.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Well that rally and protest was great

    Achieved nothing

    All about Diane

    Refused to answer questions as to wether she would stand as an independent if banned

    Got in the car and naffed off to her big house

    Has she been on the piss ?

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well that rally and protest was great

    Achieved nothing

    All about Diane

    Refused to answer questions as to wether she would stand as an independent if banned

    Got in the car and naffed off to her big house

    Has she been on the piss ?
    She was talking as though she would stand against Labour. Then she will express angst that she is kicked out.

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    Re: Diane Abbott

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    How dare you enjoy such luxury while criticising someone with wealth and privilege for sending their kids to private school, go buy some special brew like the rest of us non-hypocrites.

    I've never quite got this, surely someone arguing for change from within a system actually adds depth to a position as you can demonstrate that it isn't born from jealousy but from experience. It's human instinct to do the best possible for your children and opportunities are more prevalent for those with a private education.

    Anyway, must dash, jeeves is bringing the car round any minute.
    If she wants to send her kids to private school that is fine. But shut up and stop having a go at others for doing the same. Or lose the idea that you are “principled.” You can’t have the cake-ism of having it both ways.

    You can have any opinion on schooling - I don’t care. I don’t have strong views on it either way. It’s a choice thing. Personally I don’t agree with the idea that money should buy you a better education, but I don’t feel any revolutionary blood about it. I had the choice of private, grammar or state and wanted my kids to be grounded - so I sent them to a good state school and they’re doing great. Mates sent theirs to private. Fine by me.

    For the whingers, we lost the egalitarian idea of a meritocratic education regardless of wealth when we decided to close grammar schools. Far from levelling the playing field, it replace a tiered education system based on ability (grammar and secondary modern) with one based on money (private v comprehensives). More dumb choices from the 1970s.

    But the point was made that she is “principled”. I have demonstrated she is clearly not. She is criticising others for something she has done herself That is like you raping someone and then claiming to be a good man, only to point the finger at Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper and saying he is a bad man because he is a rapist. It is as stupid as it is ridiculous. And hypocritical. Therefore deeply unprincipled.

    Clearly it seems that you don’t understand the word “principled”. This is GCSE level of English vocabulary understanding. Pretty elementary stuff.

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