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    This typifies why Trump is such a dick.

    Imagine writing the words ‘little Bruce Springsteen’ in some crass attempt at aggrandising himself as some sort of macho man.

    So many Americans (usually the ones with a bit of sense) must cringe at shit like this.

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/donal...-rally-2556205

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Imagine following someone relentlessly on a football forum and sniping
    On the money there, life on Mars, but I'd guess the "lardy and Cyril" stuff will continue. Good of you to try and step in and put him right, but we have him on ignore so it's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    This typifies why Trump is such a dick.

    Imagine writing the words ‘little Bruce Springsteen’ in some crass attempt at aggrandising himself as some sort of macho man.

    So many Americans (usually the ones with a bit of sense) must cringe at shit like this.

    https://www.nme.com/news/music/donal...-rally-2556205
    As more of his administration realise the way the wind is blowing and more public support for impeachment increases, the more you'll see trump swinging wildly at anything that moves.

    Fine if it's trying to put down a famous person. Not so fine when he's condemning his allies, like the Kurds. Expect more innocent deaths as he goes into his own death throes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    As more of his administration realise the way the wind is blowing and more public support for impeachment increases, the more you'll see trump swinging wildly at anything that moves.

    Fine if it's trying to put down a famous person. Not so fine when he's condemning his allies, like the Kurds. Expect more innocent deaths as he goes into his own death throes.
    His outburst are sometimes bewildering in their lack of judgement ,it speaks volumes of how poorly they consider the corrupt democrats are, that they voted in their millions for him and may well again , there is a similar position going on here with an awful government and now a barmy leader who are still more poplar than the main opposition . Wake up Labour .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    His outburst are sometimes bewildering in their lack of judgement ,it speaks volumes of how poorly they consider the corrupt democrats are, that they voted in their millions for him and may well again , there is a similar position going on here with an awful government and now a barmy leader who are still more poplar than the main opposition . Wake up Labour .
    The Democrats fully understand the only way for them in 2020 is impeachment, his rally in Democrat Minneapolis will have then scared shitless, it doesn't matter how stupid he comes across, and some of last night's comments were outrageous, despite the fake polls the Americans have gone all in and decided that MAGA is a better option than the corruption of what's gone on in the past perpetuated by Democrats and Republicans, multi Millionaire socialist Bernie isn't cutting it either, the candidates are so bad that the haggard old boot is mooting a run again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    The Democrats fully understand the only way for them in 2020 is impeachment, his rally in Democrat Minneapolis will have then scared shitless, it doesn't matter how stupid he comes across, and some of last night's comments were outrageous, despite the fake polls the Americans have gone all in and decided that MAGA is a better option than the corruption of what's gone on in the past perpetuated by Democrats and Republicans, multi Millionaire socialist Bernie isn't cutting it either, the candidates are so bad that the haggard old boot is mooting a run again.
    I'm interested why you think America has gone all in on MAGA.

    In 2016 more people voted for someone else. In 2018, with the highest turn out in over a century, the democrats won the house and it was generally considered a blue wave. Trump's approval has been 35-45 throughout.

    The republicans have gone all in on maga, but I don't think America has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I'm interested why you think America has gone all in on MAGA.

    In 2016 more people voted for someone else. In 2018, with the highest turn out in over a century, the democrats won the house and it was generally considered a blue wave. Trump's approval has been 35-45 throughout.

    The republicans have gone all in on maga, but I don't think America has.
    We are currently in 2019
    The popular vote was in 2016
    Democrats took the Congress in 2018
    The Mueller report released in April 2019 with Russia Gate blown out of the water
    The current attempted takedown of Trump (UKRAINE) has backfired

    The polls of the 2016 result and the Brexit polls puts that one to bed, polls published by MSM say what they want them to say,
    the exit polls kinda confirms this, do you still believe polls ?

    I think that post the Mueller report, Americans have increased in support of their president as they have witnessed an attack on a president that is unprecedented, and in the time that for many of them, the economy has taken an upturn and has put a bit of cash on the hip, his support is rising within the Black community, I have no idea why he has so many women supporters, the rallies he puts on are packing out football stadiums with 1,000's in overspill outside whilst his rivals
    struggle to fill a Tesco extra. Unless the smoking gun (and there is bound to be one lurking in the shadows)
    is found, I think he'll walk the next election irrespective what the polls say.
    With almost 100% backing of the MSM, where/who are the alternatives?, who do you think can/will beat him?.
    To be clear, an opinion not an endorsement, he has never matured from being a novice at the job considering he had little or no political background his twitter, and pressers are becoming more unhinged as time goes on, but that may be that he sees himself to be so far ahead he can say what he wants whilst the song remains the same.

  8. #5083

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    "I think that post the Mueller report, Americans have increased in support of their president "

    "his support is rising within the Black community"

    So you believe some polls then.

    He's got every chance of winning the next election. Unless it's a landslide, no one can say America has gone all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    We are currently in 2019
    The popular vote was in 2016
    Democrats took the Congress in 2018
    The Mueller report released in April 2019 with Russia Gate blown out of the water
    The current attempted takedown of Trump (UKRAINE) has backfired

    The polls of the 2016 result and the Brexit polls puts that one to bed, polls published by MSM say what they want them to say,
    the exit polls kinda confirms this, do you still believe polls ?

    I think that post the Mueller report, Americans have increased in support of their president as they have witnessed an attack on a president that is unprecedented, and in the time that for many of them, the economy has taken an upturn and has put a bit of cash on the hip, his support is rising within the Black community, I have no idea why he has so many women supporters, the rallies he puts on are packing out football stadiums with 1,000's in overspill outside whilst his rivals
    struggle to fill a Tesco extra. Unless the smoking gun (and there is bound to be one lurking in the shadows)
    is found, I think he'll walk the next election irrespective what the polls say.
    With almost 100% backing of the MSM, where/who are the alternatives?, who do you think can/will beat him?.
    To be clear, an opinion not an endorsement, he has never matured from being a novice at the job considering he had little or no political background his twitter, and pressers are becoming more unhinged as time goes on, but that may be that he sees himself to be so far ahead he can say what he wants whilst the song remains the same.
    You may be right that Trump will win in 2020.

    You are also right that polls should be distrusted (however much the pollsters claim to have learned and changed since 2016).

    But you also appear to believe the polls that you want to believe (black and female support for Trump.... based on polls?)

    And your take on the implications of Mueller and the impeachment hearings seems to have no other basis than Trump's own tweets and Gluey's posts (often the same thing). Maybe the effect is just to strengthen the pro and anti feeling about him and his administration - he is either a victim of the MSM and global elites or a corrupt and inept scumbag backed by a spineless Republican party - but if so (and to go back to the polls again) the best evidence is that his support struggles to reach 40% whilst his opponents are consistently around 55%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    You may be right that Trump will win in 2020.

    You are also right that polls should be distrusted (however much the pollsters claim to have learned and changed since 2016).

    But you also appear to believe the polls that you want to believe (black and female support for Trump.... based on polls?)

    And your take on the implications of Mueller and the impeachment hearings seems to have no other basis than Trump's own tweets and Gluey's posts (often the same thing). Maybe the effect is just to strengthen the pro and anti feeling about him and his administration - he is either a victim of the MSM and global elites or a corrupt and inept scumbag backed by a spineless Republican party - but if so (and to go back to the polls again) the best evidence is that his support struggles to reach 40% whilst his opponents are consistently around 55%.
    You'd have a more informed opinion if you avoided all the media spin, and read the source documents for yourself. The way lardy came unstuck should be a lesson for everybody. He tripled-down on Trump Russian Collusion, even though we knew it was all a pile of crap in late 2016/early 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    You may be right that Trump will win in 2020.

    You are also right that polls should be distrusted (however much the pollsters claim to have learned and changed since 2016).

    But you also appear to believe the polls that you want to believe (black and female support for Trump.... based on polls?)

    And your take on the implications of Mueller and the impeachment hearings seems to have no other basis than Trump's own tweets and Gluey's posts (often the same thing). Maybe the effect is just to strengthen the pro and anti feeling about him and his administration - he is either a victim of the MSM and global elites or a corrupt and inept scumbag backed by a spineless Republican party - but if so (and to go back to the polls again) the best evidence is that his support struggles to reach 40% whilst his opponents are consistently around 55%.
    It's not the polls that form my opinion regarding the Black and women supporters of Trump, the amount of women he attracts at his events can be seen with the naked eye although the Black vote is not as visible at these events, the increasing support can be seen on twitter over the past year I think, regarding Mueller I've not gone on a poll, this was the smoking gun that would bring him down, the amount of money, interviews and time spent resulted in a non prosecution / impeachment (not yet anyway) the UKRAINE fiasco seems to have boomeranged, again although there is still a bit of mileage left in this one, as previously said unless the smoking gun (and they have had plenty of attempts) is unveiled, he's a shoe in, he wasn't supposed to win but since his win has had access to the NSA databases, I think he'll be doubling and tripling down on his opponents alleged corruption over the next year and many more Americans will cross the divide, I thought that Michelle Obama was the secret candidate waiting in the wings to step in as I think she would have had more chance than the current mob, but UKRAINE might well go right to Obama when its all shaken down, he does seem quite quiet at the moment and hasn't endorsed his VP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    It's not the polls that form my opinion regarding the Black and women supporters of Trump, the amount of women he attracts at his events can be seen with the naked eye although the Black vote is not as visible at these events, the increasing support can be seen on twitter over the past year I think, regarding Mueller I've not gone on a poll, this was the smoking gun that would bring him down, the amount of money, interviews and time spent resulted in a non prosecution / impeachment (not yet anyway) the UKRAINE fiasco seems to have boomeranged, again although there is still a bit of mileage left in this one, as previously said unless the smoking gun (and they have had plenty of attempts) is unveiled, he's a shoe in, he wasn't supposed to win but since his win has had access to the NSA databases, I think he'll be doubling and tripling down on his opponents alleged corruption over the next year and many more Americans will cross the divide, I thought that Michelle Obama was the secret candidate waiting in the wings to step in as I think she would have had more chance than the current mob, but UKRAINE might well go right to Obama when its all shaken down, he does seem quite quiet at the moment and hasn't endorsed his VP.
    Oh my god, you're basing it on the footage from his rallies

    They handpick the people that appear on screen. You must have seen the guy who was pulling faces behind Trump and got replaced by a pretty girl?

    That and Twitter. Go on, how can you tell his support on Twitter is increasing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Imagine following someone relentlessly on a football forum and sniping
    I just took a look at Gluey's recent posts. Three of his last four on the politics board mentioned me (and not in a positive way). I didn't bother going back further.

    Any thoughts on that?

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    I know the "investigative reporter" John Solomon gets a bad press for bias whenever his "exclusives" are posted on here.

    I was as shocked as anyone to find out that he shared a proposed Ukraine story with a close colleague of Rudy Guiliani by the name of Lev Parnas before it was published. Also the regular Fox appearing pair of married lawyers, Victoria Toesing and Joe DiGenova.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-...nd-rudy-allies

    If Lev Parnas's name is familiar it may be because he and an associate were arrested by Federal agents on Wednesday at Washington airport for breaking campaign (guess which one) finance laws by disguising donations from foreign entities. They had one way tickets to Vienna. In a bizarre coincidence, Rudy Giuliani was due to fly there the next day as well.

    Even more coincidentally, Solomon's last "scoop" was a deposition to a court from the "disgraced" (some would say) prosecutor, Victor Shokin. He was dismissed after pressure from the US (Biden) and EU for failing to clamp down on corruption. The whole dirt digging from private US citizen Giuliani is that this pressure was to take the heat off Biden's son who worked for a company where an investigation file had been opened.

    Shokin's court deposition was in support of a Ukrainian oligarch called Dmitri Firtash, who is seeking to avoid US extradition charges for corruption. Coincidentally, the case is being heard in a court in Vienna. Even more coincidentally, lawyers representing Firtash include Victoria Toesing and Joe DiGenova. Even, even more coincidentally Toesing and DiGenova hired Parnas and his mate as "interpreters" for the case.

    All this because Trump is scared of Biden.

    Who says conspiracy theorists always have the most seductive tunes but at least Solomon escapes with his reputation for independent journalism recognised for what it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I just took a look at Gluey's recent posts. Three of his last four on the politics board mentioned me (and not in a positive way). I didn't bother going back further.

    Any thoughts on that?
    It's hardly my fault if your actions don't show you in a positive light! You've spend the past two years passing off gossip and inuendo as fact, even though I highlighted your errors every step of the way. And all I got in return was character assassination and ridicule, as you tried to undermine me and discredit everything that I said. And now you come across as being a very sore loser, and it's about time you started to show some humility!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I know the "investigative reporter" John Solomon gets a bad press for bias whenever his "exclusives" are posted on here.

    I was as shocked as anyone to find out that he shared a proposed Ukraine story with a close colleague of Rudy Guiliani by the name of Lev Parnas before it was published. Also the regular Fox appearing pair of married lawyers, Victoria Toesing and Joe DiGenova.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-...nd-rudy-allies

    If Lev Parnas's name is familiar it may be because he and an associate were arrested by Federal agents on Wednesday at Washington airport for breaking campaign (guess which one) finance laws by disguising donations from foreign entities. They had one way tickets to Vienna. In a bizarre coincidence, Rudy Giuliani was due to fly there the next day as well.

    Even more coincidentally, Solomon's last "scoop" was a deposition to a court from the "disgraced" (some would say) prosecutor, Victor Shokin. He was dismissed after pressure from the US (Biden) and EU for failing to clamp down on corruption. The whole dirt digging from private US citizen Giuliani is that this pressure was to take the heat off Biden's son who worked for a company where an investigation file had been opened.

    Shokin's court deposition was in support of a Ukrainian oligarch called Dmitri Firtash, who is seeking to avoid US extradition charges for corruption. Coincidentally, the case is being heard in a court in Vienna. Even more coincidentally, lawyers representing Firtash include Victoria Toesing and Joe DiGenova. Even, even more coincidentally Toesing and DiGenova hired Parnas and his mate as "interpreters" for the case.

    All this because Trump is scared of Biden.

    Who says conspiracy theorists always have the most seductive tunes but at least Solomon escapes with his reputation for independent journalism recognised for what it is!
    I don't believe it, you're going for Trump Russia Collusion, Act IV !! Will you also be dusting off your copy of the Steele dossier again?

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    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ey/3945806002/

    The 4d chess player seems a bit confused about who his personal lawyer is!

  18. #5093

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    Why blame Trump?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Why blame Trump?

    Seriously? 'Why blame Trump'? Your excuses for him this time will surpass all previous spin.

    Who else do you suggest enabled and encouraged this latest round of killing and displacement (and then very half-heartedly pretended to be trying to put the genie back in the bottle once he realised that he had blundered into another massive and fatal cock-up)? He has finally managed to unite Democrats and Republicans, Europeans and Saudis in condemnation. Shot himself in the foot (and the Kurds in the head) and then doubled down on his stupidity in a week of tweets. MAGA my arse!

    I doubt anyone on here will try to sanitise the background and history of the Free Syrian Army, but the reason they are running amok now as part of the Turkish assault is because Trump gave the green light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Seriously? 'Why blame Trump'? Your excuses for him this time will surpass all previous spin.

    Who else do you suggest enabled and encouraged this latest round of killing and displacement (and then very half-heartedly pretended to be trying to put the genie back in the bottle once he realised that he had blundered into another massive and fatal cock-up)? He has finally managed to unite Democrats and Republicans, Europeans and Saudis in condemnation. Shot himself in the foot (and the Kurds in the head) and then doubled down on his stupidity in a week of tweets. MAGA my arse!

    I doubt anyone on here will try to sanitise the background and history of the Free Syrian Army, but the reason they are running amok now as part of the Turkish assault is because Trump gave the green light.
    Not any kind of nod and wink either. Immediately after another one of those "perfect calls" with foreign leaders only too happy to queue up to take advantage of the master negotiating the art of the deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Seriously? 'Why blame Trump'? Your excuses for him this time will surpass all previous spin.

    Who else do you suggest enabled and encouraged this latest round of killing and displacement (and then very half-heartedly pretended to be trying to put the genie back in the bottle once he realised that he had blundered into another massive and fatal cock-up)? He has finally managed to unite Democrats and Republicans, Europeans and Saudis in condemnation. Shot himself in the foot (and the Kurds in the head) and then doubled down on his stupidity in a week of tweets. MAGA my arse!

    I doubt anyone on here will try to sanitise the background and history of the Free Syrian Army, but the reason they are running amok now as part of the Turkish assault is because Trump gave the green light.
    Wait, we were told the FSA were the good guys, trained and armed by the West to oppose Assad, and now they are the bad guys and it's all Trump's fault? You need to give some more details here ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Wait, we were told the FSA were the good guys, trained and armed by the West to oppose Assad, and now they are the bad guys and it's all Trump's fault? You need to give some more details here ...
    You dodge a straight question about Trump's responsibility for this political and humanitarian disaster - so far over 100 dead (including executions of prisoners), over 150,000 people fled from their homes, 750 ISIS affiliates escape from detention.... abandoned Kurds appealing to Assad for help.... all the result of Turkish air and ground attacks and the actions of their local clients and proxies.... and I need to give 'more details'?

    Are you trying to claim that Trump had a reasonable expectation that the Turks and the FSA would occupy swathes of northern Syria under Kurdish control and would not commit atrocities? That ISIS prisoners would be kept secure? Turkey has been armed and trained by other NATO powers for almost 70 years but has not hidden its agenda in regard to the Kurds and Syria. The FSA (who have morphed all over the place in the past 8 years from anti-Assad military defectors through to Turkish client jihadists) are just an adjunct to the Turks.

    Trump set this off through his deal with Erdogan when he had slipped his minders. He has never had the interest or the capacity or the attention span to understand complex geopolitical issues, and in this case he sold out the Kurds and threw a hand grenade into the Middle East for what the thought would be glowing domestic headlines (to distract from impeachment talk). He was wrong on that too.

    It seems your best defence of him and answer to 'Why blame Trump?' is that he was too stupid to know better ('we were told the FSA were the good guys'....). He is to blame for this political chaos and humanitarian tragedy. Own it!

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    Thanks for the explanation Jon, so if the FSA are now the baddies after we trained and armed them, then how about the White Helmets who were embedded alongside them? Am I correct in thinking that Trump has opened up a huge can of worms here, and what about the previous leaders who seem to have contributed greatly towards the current problem? I think the EU also need to take some of the blame, as besides most member countries failing to meet their NATO contributions, they also haven't intervened or sent any sent peacekeeping troops. I believe there were only 50 non-combatent US personnel in the buffer zone, so it wasn't difficult to replace them. Also how about Turkey themselves? They are a NATO member too, so they should be taking the most blame, and also facing sanctions and expulsion from NATO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Thanks for the explanation Jon, so if the FSA are now the baddies after we trained and armed them, then how about the White Helmets who were embedded alongside them? Am I correct in thinking that Trump has opened up a huge can of worms here, and what about the previous leaders who seem to have contributed greatly towards the current problem? I think the EU also need to take some of the blame, as besides most member countries failing to meet their NATO contributions, they also haven't intervened or sent any sent peacekeeping troops. I believe there were only 50 non-combatent US personnel in the buffer zone, so it wasn't difficult to replace them. Also how about Turkey themselves? They are a NATO member too, so they should be taking the most blame, and also facing sanctions and expulsion from NATO.
    its interesting to read the Russian have taken up the residency in the vacated american bases promising to keep Syrian and Turkish fighters apart , I dont blame the USA pulling out , I'm sure the Israelis have eyes on it anyway ,

    Anyway where's that European army when you need them ,Europe is full rhetoric about these war zones , and lacking purpose or real peaceful support in these areas .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    its interesting to read the Russian have taken up the residency in the vacated american bases promising to keep Syrian and Turkish fighters apart , I dont blame the USA pulling out , I'm sure the Israelis have eyes on it anyway ,

    Anyway where's that European army when you need them ,Europe is full rhetoric about these war zones , and lacking purpose or real peaceful support in these areas .
    If Turkey get booted out of NATO they are in the crap. I don't think anybody comes out of this smelling of roses, as there has been a lot of meddling going on behind the scenes. If the US stayed, they would have to committ for at least the next 100 years.

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