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  1. #1

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    [QUOTE=Kris;4752744]I dug out and dusted off my Revolver album today. It is technically, musically and lyrically better than Sgt Pepper.


    Please elaborate.

  2. #2

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I recognize the revolutionary techniques and ideas on the album, but I wouldn't put any of the songs in my top 250 favourite tracks. In fact, for me, some covers are better than the Beatles' recordings - like Joe Cocker's Help From My Friends.

    I also don't get that it's often described as a concept album. All the tracks seem unrelated. How can you link Within You, Without You to any of the other songs.

    Incidentally, the NY Times critic who panned the album (remembered by Macca earlier this year) evidently played it on provably faulty equipment - which may have slightly influenced his reaction. But even with decent audio, I wouldn't take it to a Desert Island.
    To be honest I wouldn't put any Beatles song in my top 250 favourite tracks.
    For me they are the most over rated band ever. Although I did like a lot of Lennon's stuff once they split.

  3. #3

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Never saw the appeal of the doors tbh

  4. #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Never saw the appeal of the doors tbh
    Same here.

  5. #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Same here.
    They are still amazingly popular though.

    Every time I buy tickets for a gig it says : " Doors 7pm or Doors 8pm etc " I think it's a shame they are always the warm up band.

  6. #6

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    It's an interesting snapshot of the Beatles as they were at the time. High on drugs much of the time (Lennon in particular), retired from gigging, the album was absolutely huge at the time. It was undoubtedly a lazy album - Lennon's contributions were random (a breakfast cereal commercial, a drawing made by his son (allegedly) and a circus poster). McCartney took over the production of it, probably because Lennon was experimenting with other things. He had the idea of an album with a theme; Britishness, maybe loneliness runs through it.

    By now, it was easy to spot which Beatle had written which song. The band had fragmented into individual interests. It had arguably become a showcase for each member's individuality. Even 'A Day in the Life' was an amalgamation of separate songs by Lennon and McCartney.

    As for being groundbreaking, Revolver was probably more so than Sergeant Pepper. I prefer Revolver as an album.

  7. #7

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    This is fantastic, by Peter Serafinowicz - what happens to the "woke up fell out of bed" guy for the rest of his Day In The Life.


    https://soundcloud.com/user5316795/a...ay-in-the-life

  8. #8

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    This is fantastic, by Peter Serafinowicz - what happens to the "woke up fell out of bed" guy for the rest of his Day In The Life.


    https://soundcloud.com/user5316795/a...ay-in-the-life
    He went into a dream of course.

  9. #9

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    [QUOTE=NYCBlue;4752790]
    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I dug out and dusted off my Revolver album today. It is technically, musically and lyrically better than Sgt Pepper.


    Please elaborate.
    The musicianship on The Revolver is better. Some of McCartney's best bass lines come from tracks in that album, for example.

  10. #10

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I watched this documentary yesterday. Yes, I see what Howard Goodall was driving at, but did the Beatles know what they were doing? For example, HG went into a long and protracted explanation of what George was doing with the drum patterns on Within, Without You. If George knew what he was doing, I take my hi-hat off to him - but I just don't believe he did.......
    I also watched the doc yesterday, just after I posted my preference for Revolver. I have a little more respect for Sgt Pepper, but I still stand by The Revolver being better. Much of Sgt Pepper owes it's innovation to Emerick and George Martin. The use of bouncing 4 tracks seems to be Martin's brainchild.

    I concede that Pepper is more innovative than I gave it credit for, but it needed to include Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane (a song I now have a newfound respect for) if I were to rank it above Revolver. Penny Lane shows the genius of McCartney (based on that documentary), Strawberry Fields shows the genius of George Martin. Sgt Pepper owes a lot to both Martin and McCartney. Revolver is Lennon and McCartney in their absolute prime.

  11. #11

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Some people love it, some hate it.
    But whatever your taste, no-one can deny its influence.

    If it wasn't for SPLHCB, we might still be listening to 3-minute singles.

  12. #12

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    Some people love it, some hate it.
    But whatever your taste, no-one can deny its influence.

    If it wasn't for SPLHCB, we might still be listening to 3-minute singles.

  13. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Trouble is most kids still are !

    Not like us oldies with the stomach for 10 minute guitar and drum solos.

  14. #14

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    Some people love it, some hate it.
    But whatever your taste, no-one can deny its influence.

    If it wasn't for SPLHCB, we might still be listening to 3-minute singles.
    Nothing wrong with the three minute single

    Personally, I blame Sgt Peppers for the start of the dirge that became the long winded 20 minute plus track of the prog rock movement. But that's another debate for different thread

  15. #15

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68 View Post
    Nothing wrong with the three minute single

    Personally, I blame Sgt Peppers for the start of the dirge that became the long winded track of the prog rock movement. But that's another debate for different thread
    Surely that was on the Let It Be album ?

  16. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Surely that was on the Let It Be album ?


    Took me a few minutes to get that!

  17. #17

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68 View Post
    Nothing wrong with the three minute single

    Personally, I blame Sgt Peppers for the start of the dirge that became the long winded 20 minute plus track of the prog rock movement. But that's another debate for different thread
    With you all the way there, some of the greatest music ever made has been 3 minutes or less.
    Love The Beatles but they did open the door for Pink fekin Floyd.

  18. #18

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    What really sums it up for me is that after watching Howard Goodall's (up-his-****) documentary, I just didn't want to play the album again.

  19. #19

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Surely that was on the Let It Be album ?

  20. #20

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Revolvers better

  21. #21

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    What really sums it up for me is that after watching Howard Goodall's (up-his-****) documentary, I just didn't want to play the album again.
    I was going to, but Revolver was still on the turntable so I listened to that again. Goodall should break down some of those tracks.

  22. #22

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Anyway I bought " Are you Experienced " not Sgt Pepper and never regretted it.

  23. #23

    Re: Sgt Pepper - iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    Iconic album or indulgent whimsy ?

    The answer is iconic album.

    Even if you don't like it. Even if you do like it but prefer Revolver the answer is still the same.

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