Danny Ings....?

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Danny Ings is a cut above our current strikers

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One good season for Bournemouth - 21 league goals in 40 games at this level. Are we really thinking Bogle for example can't match that? Season before that at same level... 3 goals in 32 games.

He had one storming season - and I'll grant you the 11 he scored for Burnley in the Prem was decent.

He's not exactly a goal machine like Chopra was.

He's done his ACL in one knee then did his other knee in.

Based upon all that on what grounds is he a cut about Zohore, Ward, Healey and Bogle?

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Before I get the inevitable response, he's capable of being a good striker at this level. There's far more potential in for example Bogle than in Ings. Zohore imo has a far higher ceiling in terms of talent.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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One good season for Bournemouth - 21 league goals in 40 games at this level. Are we really thinking Bogle for example can't match that? Season before that at same level... 3 goals in 32 games.

He had one storming season - and I'll grant you the 11 he scored for Burnley in the Prem was decent.

He's not exactly a goal machine like Chopra was.

He's done his ACL in one knee then did his other knee in.

Based upon all that on what grounds is he a cut about Zohore, Ward, Healey and Bogle?

EDIT:

Before I get the inevitable response, he's capable of being a good striker at this level. There's far more potential in for example Bogle than in Ings. Zohore imo has a far higher ceiling in terms of talent.

You make some reasonable points but the Bogle/Ings potential comparison is stretching it. The recovering Ings just had 10-15 mins in a vital Merseyside derby (don't know if Ben Woodburn was fit to take his place on the bench). Might be a while before a fully fit Bogle achieves that level.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

You make some reasonable points but the Bogle/Ings potential comparison is stretching it. The recovering Ings just had 10-15 mins in a vital Merseyside derby (don't know if Ben Woodburn was fit to take his place on the bench). Might be a while before a fully fit Bogle achieves that level.

That team had the plain average Dominic Solanke starting, for reference. I'd also take our central defenders over those of Liverpool at this point in time.

I suspect Bogle will play more than 15 minutes next season when we promote by overtaking Wolvesalona last game of the season with a 96th minute penalty to win the title.

Bogle has scored goals at all levels with more regularity than Ings - granted not at Wigan then again Wigan is an utter cluster****. Time will tell but Bogle has had a good start here.

[City123]

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One good season for Bournemouth - 21 league goals in 40 games at this level. Are we really thinking Bogle for example can't match that? Season before that at same level... 3 goals in 32 games.

He had one storming season - and I'll grant you the 11 he scored for Burnley in the Prem was decent.

He's not exactly a goal machine like Chopra was.

He's done his ACL in one knee then did his other knee in.

Based upon all that on what grounds is he a cut about Zohore, Ward, Healey and Bogle?

EDIT:

Before I get the inevitable response, he's capable of being a good striker at this level. There's far more potential in for example Bogle than in Ings. Zohore imo has a far higher ceiling in terms of talent.

Why is there more potential in Bogle than Ings? Bogle is 24, Ings is 25, Ings has an England cap and scored 11 goals for struggling Burnley in the Premier League and performed well enough for Liverpool to sign him. Comparing the two is stretching it a bit

And compared to Healey? You're having a laugh, right?

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Why is there more potential in Bogle than Ings? Bogle is 24, Ings is 25, Ings has an England cap and scored 11 goals for struggling Burnley in the Premier League and performed well enough for Liverpool to sign him. Comparing the two is stretching it a bit

And compared to Healey? You're having a laugh, right?

Liverpool signing a player doesn't make that player a great one. England cap? Have you seen some of the players with England caps?

Comparing Bogle to Ings is hardy a stretch; Bogle has a record, Wigan aside of scoring at whatever level he's played. Scoring wise, Ings had one good season in the Championship following on from two distinctly average ones. As I said, that season in the Prem with Burnley was decent enough. Bogle for me offers more as he's two footed, good enough in the air.

The claim made was that Ings ( having had two serious knee injuries ) is a cut above our strikers. I'd say looking at those four strikers of ours, no. Healey offers far more pace than Ings, at this point in time should he recover well enough has more upside to him than Ings has. Ings has hit his peak.

[City123]

Liverpool signing a player doesn't make that player a great one. England cap? Have you seen some of the players with England caps?

Comparing Bogle to Ings is hardy a stretch; Bogle has a record, Wigan aside of scoring at whatever level he's played. Scoring wise, Ings had one good season in the Championship following on from two distinctly average ones. As I said, that season in the Prem with Burnley was decent enough. Bogle for me offers more as he's two footed, good enough in the air.

The claim made was that Ings ( having had two serious knee injuries ) is a cut above our strikers. I'd say looking at those four strikers of ours, no. Healey offers far more pace than Ings, at this point in time should he recover well enough has more upside to him than Ings has. Ings has hit his peak.

You can't disregard Bogle's time with Wigan just because he was poor and it doesn't fit your argument, Ings scored more Football League goals in one season than Bogle has in 3, Ings also got 11 for a hugely defensive side in the Premier League. I like Bogle but to say he's on a par with or is a better option even than Ings makes no sense to me

Are you genuinely saying that Rhys Healey is a better option than Danny Ings? Healey's never scored more than 6 goals in one season in professional football and that was with Newport

Yes, one England cap doesn't make a player world class, but you still have to be of a certain standard to get one, do you think Bogle or Healey will ever be in contention for one?

[ccfc_is_my_life]

You can't disregard Bogle's time with Wigan just because he was poor and it doesn't fit your argument, Ings scored more Football League goals in one season than Bogle has in 3, Ings also got 11 for a hugely defensive side in the Premier League. I like Bogle but to say he's on a par with or is a better option even than Ings makes no sense to me

Are you genuinely saying that Rhys Healey is a better option than Danny Ings? Healey's never scored more than 6 goals in one season in professional football and that was with Newport

Yes, one England cap doesn't make a player world class, but you still have to be of a certain standard to get one, do you think Bogle or Healey will ever be in contention for one?

What was Ings record the season before his breakout Championship season? 3 in 32 games. If you look at his big seasons he's had 2 - the promotion season and I'd agree he did well in the Prem with Burnley at the time. If you look at all league games, Ings record is just over 3 games per goal. Granted, he's had two serious injuries but those two good years appear to have been the exception.

Bogle it's 2 games per goal. Scored at whatever level. The Wigan stint, things didn't go well. Wigan were poor; the point being that poor single season was very much the exception to Bogle's career whereas good easons are the exception to Ings career. Factor in differences between the players - Bogle able to use either foot, better in air, the bad injuries Ings has had along with the type of player Warnock wants then I'd hardly call Ings a cut above Bogle - especially if you also add in transfer fee and wages.

Zohore? Better than Ings by a mile. Zohore has all the physical qualities to be the prototype striker in vogue these days - height, pace, power.

Healey is a better option when you consider his role in the squad - which would be fourth choice behind Zohore, Bogle and Ward. Again, it's about the upside to the player. IMO, Ings has peaked, possibly peaked when he was at Burnley. The injuries will have taken something from his game.

Will Healey surpass Ings? Maybe, maybe not. Football doesn't work out that way. if he can achieve his maximum potential, he's got a higher ceiling than Ings imo.

England cap? Michael Ricketts has an England cap. Jay Bothroyd has an England cap. Keith Curle. John Fashanu. Carlton Palmer. If you're claiming you have to be of a certain standard, the bar is set very low tbh.

To turn the question around, would people pick Ings over Zohore? Ward? Bogle? Right now I can't see any justification for making that move.

[J R Hartley]

What was Ings record the season before his breakout Championship season? 3 in 32 games. If you look at his big seasons he's had 2 - the promotion season and I'd agree he did well in the Prem with Burnley at the time. If you look at all league games, Ings record is just over 3 games per goal. Granted, he's had two serious injuries but those two good years appear to have been the exception.

Bogle it's 2 games per goal. Scored at whatever level. The Wigan stint, things didn't go well. Wigan were poor; the point being that poor single season was very much the exception to Bogle's career whereas good easons are the exception to Ings career. Factor in differences between the players - Bogle able to use either foot, better in air, the bad injuries Ings has had along with the type of player Warnock wants then I'd hardly call Ings a cut above Bogle - especially if you also add in transfer fee and wages.

Zohore? Better than Ings by a mile. Zohore has all the physical qualities to be the prototype striker in vogue these days - height, pace, power.

Healey is a better option when you consider his role in the squad - which would be fourth choice behind Zohore, Bogle and Ward. Again, it's about the upside to the player. IMO, Ings has peaked, possibly peaked when he was at Burnley. The injuries will have taken something from his game.

Will Healey surpass Ings? Maybe, maybe not. Football doesn't work out that way. if he can achieve his maximum potential, he's got a higher ceiling than Ings imo.

England cap? Michael Ricketts has an England cap. Jay Bothroyd has an England cap. Keith Curle. John Fashanu. Carlton Palmer. If you're claiming you have to be of a certain standard, the bar is set very low tbh.

To turn the question around, would people pick Ings over Zohore? Ward? Bogle? Right now I can't see any justification for making that move.

Talking through your arse and just looking to disagree as per usual. Get a life.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Talking through your arse and just looking to disagree as per usual. Get a life.

Posting that just looking to disagree as per usual. Get a new role.

[Nick]

What was Ings record the season before his breakout Championship season? 3 in 32 games. If you look at his big seasons he's had 2 - the promotion season and I'd agree he did well in the Prem with Burnley at the time. If you look at all league games, Ings record is just over 3 games per goal. Granted, he's had two serious injuries but those two good years appear to have been the exception.

Bogle it's 2 games per goal. Scored at whatever level. The Wigan stint, things didn't go well. Wigan were poor; the point being that poor single season was very much the exception to Bogle's career whereas good easons are the exception to Ings career. Factor in differences between the players - Bogle able to use either foot, better in air, the bad injuries Ings has had along with the type of player Warnock wants then I'd hardly call Ings a cut above Bogle - especially if you also add in transfer fee and wages.

Zohore? Better than Ings by a mile. Zohore has all the physical qualities to be the prototype striker in vogue these days - height, pace, power.

Healey is a better option when you consider his role in the squad - which would be fourth choice behind Zohore, Bogle and Ward. Again, it's about the upside to the player. IMO, Ings has peaked, possibly peaked when he was at Burnley. The injuries will have taken something from his game.

Will Healey surpass Ings? Maybe, maybe not. Football doesn't work out that way. if he can achieve his maximum potential, he's got a higher ceiling than Ings imo.

England cap? Michael Ricketts has an England cap. Jay Bothroyd has an England cap. Keith Curle. John Fashanu. Carlton Palmer. If you're claiming you have to be of a certain standard, the bar is set very low tbh.

To turn the question around, would people pick Ings over Zohore? Ward? Bogle? Right now I can't see any justification for making that move.

I ten£ to agree. Didn’t see Ings contribute anything this afternoon.

[jamieccfc]

I ten£ to agree. Didn’t see Ings contribute anything this afternoon.

He's been out injured for the last 19 months. I'm sure ings hit double figures for burnley in the premiership you can't compare that to scoring in league ****ing 1

[City123]

What was Ings record the season before his breakout Championship season? 3 in 32 games. If you look at his big seasons he's had 2 - the promotion season and I'd agree he did well in the Prem with Burnley at the time. If you look at all league games, Ings record is just over 3 games per goal. Granted, he's had two serious injuries but those two good years appear to have been the exception.

Bogle it's 2 games per goal. Scored at whatever level. The Wigan stint, things didn't go well. Wigan were poor; the point being that poor single season was very much the exception to Bogle's career whereas good easons are the exception to Ings career. Factor in differences between the players - Bogle able to use either foot, better in air, the bad injuries Ings has had along with the type of player Warnock wants then I'd hardly call Ings a cut above Bogle - especially if you also add in transfer fee and wages.

Zohore? Better than Ings by a mile. Zohore has all the physical qualities to be the prototype striker in vogue these days - height, pace, power.

Healey is a better option when you consider his role in the squad - which would be fourth choice behind Zohore, Bogle and Ward. Again, it's about the upside to the player. IMO, Ings has peaked, possibly peaked when he was at Burnley. The injuries will have taken something from his game.

Will Healey surpass Ings? Maybe, maybe not. Football doesn't work out that way. if he can achieve his maximum potential, he's got a higher ceiling than Ings imo.

England cap? Michael Ricketts has an England cap. Jay Bothroyd has an England cap. Keith Curle. John Fashanu. Carlton Palmer. If you're claiming you have to be of a certain standard, the bar is set very low tbh.

To turn the question around, would people pick Ings over Zohore? Ward? Bogle? Right now I can't see any justification for making that move.

I'd say the standard for England when he got capped (2015) was still fairly high

With regards to Bogle, yes he's scored at every level he played at, but so has Ings, and Ings has played at a higher level

In the season he scored 3 in 32, Ings suffered a serious injury that saw him out for a large portion of the season and he only started 15 games and was very much second fiddle to Charlie Austin. The next season, he becomes first choice, is injury free and bangs in 21 goals, he gets 11 in the Premier League the season after

Does Healey have a higher ceiling? He's 24 next month and Ings had already been signed by Liverpool following his first Premier League campaign at that point

Bogle's ratio in the Championship is 1 in 3.3 games, Ings' is 1 in 3 appearances

[ccfc_is_my_life]

I'd say the standard for England when he got capped (2015) was still fairly high

Was it? Called up for qualifying games when England had already qualified. Perfect time for kicking the tyres on what may be available.

With regards to Bogle, yes he's scored at every level he played at, but so has Ings, and Ings has played at a higher level

Disagree on the first point, agree on the second.

In the season he scored 3 in 32, Ings suffered a serious injury that saw him out for a large portion of the season and he only started 15 games and was very much second fiddle to Charlie Austin. The next season, he becomes first choice, is injury free and bangs in 21 goals, he gets 11 in the Premier League the season after

Ah yes, forgot about that injury. Another knee injury. Looking at it, he'd already done both knees before joining Liverpool. Looking at that, I'd personally not want to touch a player with numerous knee injuries, especially a striker. Way too much risk for reward.

Does Healey have a higher ceiling? He's 24 next month and Ings had already been signed by Liverpool following his first Premier League campaign at that point

Well, that's not really how the ceiling for potential works but... evidence suggest Ings has peaked as at best a sub for Liverpool. Healey it's still uncertain; could well be a late bloomer but has something about him. Again, Healey is fourth choice at best for us. Chances are he won't necessarily go on to do much. Nothing's certain. All I'm saying is that if the stars align, everything goes amazingly well, I think he'd be a better player than Ings. Doesn't mean he will.

Bogle's ratio in the Championship is 1 in 3.3 games, Ings' is 1 in 3 appearances

Ings ratio is 1 in 3.2 recurring appearances. Not as big a difference there, Bogle having a smaller sample size in terms of appearances.

[the other bob wilson]

What was Ings record the season before his breakout Championship season? 3 in 32 games. If you look at his big seasons he's had 2 - the promotion season and I'd agree he did well in the Prem with Burnley at the time. If you look at all league games, Ings record is just over 3 games per goal. Granted, he's had two serious injuries but those two good years appear to have been the exception.

Bogle it's 2 games per goal. Scored at whatever level. The Wigan stint, things didn't go well. Wigan were poor; the point being that poor single season was very much the exception to Bogle's career whereas good easons are the exception to Ings career. Factor in differences between the players - Bogle able to use either foot, better in air, the bad injuries Ings has had along with the type of player Warnock wants then I'd hardly call Ings a cut above Bogle - especially if you also add in transfer fee and wages.

Zohore? Better than Ings by a mile. Zohore has all the physical qualities to be the prototype striker in vogue these days - height, pace, power.

Healey is a better option when you consider his role in the squad - which would be fourth choice behind Zohore, Bogle and Ward. Again, it's about the upside to the player. IMO, Ings has peaked, possibly peaked when he was at Burnley. The injuries will have taken something from his game.

Will Healey surpass Ings? Maybe, maybe not. Football doesn't work out that way. if he can achieve his maximum potential, he's got a higher ceiling than Ings imo.

England cap? Michael Ricketts has an England cap. Jay Bothroyd has an England cap. Keith Curle. John Fashanu. Carlton Palmer. If you're claiming you have to be of a certain standard, the bar is set very low tbh.

To turn the question around, would people pick Ings over Zohore? Ward? Bogle? Right now I can't see any justification for making that move.

Wonder who this clown posts as now.

[Baloo]

Wonder who this clown posts as now.

Hope this rules me out.

[WJ99mobile]

Liverpool signing a player doesn't make that player a great one. England cap? Have you seen some of the players with England caps?

Comparing Bogle to Ings is hardy a stretch; Bogle has a record, Wigan aside of scoring at whatever level he's played. Scoring wise, Ings had one good season in the Championship following on from two distinctly average ones. As I said, that season in the Prem with Burnley was decent enough. Bogle for me offers more as he's two footed, good enough in the air.

The claim made was that Ings ( having had two serious knee injuries ) is a cut above our strikers. I'd say looking at those four strikers of ours, no. Healey offers far more pace than Ings, at this point in time should he recover well enough has more upside to him than Ings has. Ings has hit his peak.

Definitely don’t need Ings.

[City123]

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