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    Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    In fact the Romans were very tolerant and accepting of most religions in the Empire, and built joint temples for local idols which were often shared with their own. They took a very different and much harsher view of Christianity from the outset.

    The word "our" refers here to Christians, so that's easily dealt with.

    insular, bigoted and oppressive are all subjective terms. You may well regard things as insular ,bigoted or oppressive which others might not. Similarly, in fairness , "low practises " is a subjective term , and I expect I regard some things as such which you regard as quite wholesome and acceptable.

    These are personal choices, and you are quite free to make your own. I would say that anyone's choices will have consequences, but you clearly reject that idea given your comments about "supernatural beliefs ".

    Now, given that I am only truthfully answering the question posed in the OP , I'm hardly enforcing my beliefs upon you and,whilst I'd be delighted for you to find the truth of Christianity, I'm not going after anyone in the way that you seem to be doing.

    If we can extrapolate the few points of yours I've read , I expect you'll be quite left wing and convinced about many things which I would reject because I've found that you can usually package these various beliefs together as being counter arguments against the plain truth, and persuasions to disregard the nature of the world in favour of some superficially more attractive version in which you can do what you like. Your choice entirely , as I've said, but do try and understand that you're practising a religion yourself because if I'm right about your general views , that'd tick all the boxes for a religion.

    Last thing about the truth, well in fact the truth is very important to me.
    You refer to 'absolute truth' in one of your posts. How do you define this?

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    Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious

    Quote Originally Posted by pomeroy View Post
    You refer to 'absolute truth' in one of your posts. How do you define this?


    Don't recall using that expression but I expect you're right.

    It's all about subjective versus objective reality.

    In subjective reality what you believe is supposed to be your particular truth and thus according to some,as valid as any other truth.
    " perception is reality" if you like.
    This is the prevailing philosophy since it was honed to a fine art by the dreadful Bertrand Russel.

    Objective reality calls for "Ontic trust" , although perhaps let's not go there right now. Suffice it to say that it rejects the idea that there are alternative truths - there may be alternative versions , but only one is actually true and all the rest are either lies or mistakes.

    Now,in the same way that man is not in himself capable of good or evil, but rather chooses which of these forces to lean towards, he isn't capable of discerning the truth for himself using only his own mind or logic - again he instead has to choose between two alternative and opposing versions , and must use his other abilities to do this. The abilities I speak of are his spiritual aspect, and of course ,in the event that man rejects or disbelieves that he even has such a component, it cannot help him.

    One side will tell you that there is no such thing as absolute truth and the other will tell you that there is. As in most areas of human existence ,you must choose which to believe and you have free will to do that.

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