https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/06/g...eport-reveals/
I now await the obligatory “yes, but no, but the Labour party” posts from the usual suspects.
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https://bylinetimes.com/2023/06/06/g...eport-reveals/
I now await the obligatory “yes, but no, but the Labour party” posts from the usual suspects.
I see no difference between Labour and Conservative, and I wouldn't vote for any of them.
I find it extremely odd that people can pick a difference.Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The brainwashed can
They are not blind they vote and think in hate and cannot see two sides to a story .The brainwashed can
We have been voting for Blair Lite Tory government since Thatcher and we will continue that theme under Sir Kier therefore as socialist will vote for Sir Kier / Blair /Cameron party next year , we can only assume they do like conservativism ,just cant admit it due to their blinkered socialism , they certainly enjoy the less impoverished world Conservatism has provided for them in their later years , someone ounce said that ""socialism was the politics of envy "", that in my personal experience is sadly true .
There are differences. Small but important differences. Just as in the USA there are differences between the two major parties of big business and imperialism.
In the USA the faultlines are around issues like universal health care, gun control and whether 17th century fundamentalist Christianity will dictate policy decisions.
In the UK the privatiser and war criminal Blair led governments introduced Sure Start, enabled a programme of council house improvements and through Prudence Brown a series of redistributive budgets that benefitted ordinary people.
I despise Starmer almost as much as the Tories (for some of the same reasons and some different) but in my view even a Starmer-led Labour government (or Labour majority coalition government) will be better than more of the Tories. The marginal differences count.
What do you call it when a government jumps into bed with big business?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvWwAjVDyF8
I call it 'jumping into bed with big business'. What do you call it?
I wouldn't disagree much, however, do not despise Starmer but don't like him either, and to address Saint Bob I would agree with the waste he points out by the Tories, that isn't for debate IMO, I don't have and will not spend anytime researching but i would be quite confident that the rebadged PFI's from Blair and his mates, that they were not shy in taking advantage of the money sloshing around and that the dodgy deals of this era would dwarf the Tory fraud values of the thread Title, IMO crooks the lot of them and nailing your colours to a mast is just endorsing one set of crooks over the other.
I see the smug and talented party are out in force tonight - why are you bothering with this thread when you’ve got so many of your own on here already to play with?
They both answer to big business and they hate the little people, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. The old days of caring Labour are long gone.
So, can you provide us with a rough breakdown of the £21 billion lost due to fraud by a Labour Government if they’re both as bad as each other?
Must say, I’m surprised you are slumming it in a thread like this - domestic politics is usually beneath you.
You appear to be blind to other examples of fraud or public waste of money .
you're right, the Tories have wasted way more public money than that haven't they?
No, it's fraud only that appeared in the thread title, so let's keep it to that - let's have your breakdown of the equivalent of £21 billion of Government fraud committed by a Labour Government then.
Starmer is on record saying he prefers the WEF way of doing things and Westminster is an annoyance.
A fairly typical Gluey reply with a question put to him ignored and a claim made as if it was a fact with nothing linked to back it up.
One of the reasons my opinion of Starmer is becoming less positive by the day and I'm less enthused about his party is that he'll promise all sorts of things one day and then act as if had not happened quite soon afterwards. Even if Starmer did say what you claim he did in the past, there's no guarantee that it represents his current thinking.
There was a very big poll published this week
https://pollingreport.uk/articles/wh...seat-landslide
it talks about Labour getting 470 seats in a best case scenario for them, but also remarks that support for Starmer, and his party, is "soft". It seems that people have had enough of the Tories, but they still aren't convinced about Labour - that's how I feel, but, as I feel millions of people in this country's lives will be made a bit better by the Conservatives thirteen years in power coming to an end, I'll vote Labour and would vote tactically for a different party if it meant a better chance of beating the Conservative candidate.
That's what I'm prepared to do to try to bring about a change of Government whereas you and the others in the small group on here who are always congratulating themselves for being cleverer than the rest of us will continue to carp from the sidelines about how they're all as bad as one and other and they]re all in thrall to big business anyway.
Yet, I read what you and the other members of the gifted set have to say about, say, global warming and it seems to me that your opinions are totally in favour of big business and a continuation of the policies which have caused ninety seven per cent, it's probably more now, of scientists to agree that global warming is a crisis that needs tackling urgently.
"Socialism is the politics of envy"! My God he's swallowed it hook, line and sinker, hasn't he? Conservative Central Office must look at him as a perfect example of how the cost and effort of brainwashing the proles actually produces results! No doubt he's in line for a pat on his dutiful head.
I'll try a rather different soundbite on him: "Capitalism is the politics of greed".
Excellently put Jon and I agree entirely 👍
Fornication
I think the party I have voted for all my life are hopeless and I think starmer is hopeless too
It's a case of getting in that polling booth and voting for a government that will make plenty of mistakes and be guilty of plenty of scandal
They are not socialist but I think to challenge the Tories and keep them from screwing the poor and less fortunate we need to at least elect someone who is not right wing
If enough people don't get out and tick the box at this election then I am done with it all and will vote for some raving loony candidate or lord buckethead
Because if after all the nonsense this conservative government has got up they end up winning another term then this country is firmly right wing and the labour party needs to disband
Vote them out.
Be wary of polls. Loads of Tories are embarrassed to be Tories( rightly so ) but come the day they will vote for them.
It's more that they get an ear full of abuse from some people. Same way some people don't feel they can be openly gay.
But still you go out canvassing! Not for the faint hearted but I guess it gives its own rewards!
Equating political preference with sexual orientation? Hmmm….
I don’t know any gay people who ‘choose’ to be gay. All the Tories I know chose to follow the blue rosette.
I suppose some people may have been born with a genetic Tory disorder? Interesting…..
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