Prison Justice served ? ? ? return of the death sentence ? ? ?

[The Bob Banker Spanker]

That is a soft punishment compared to taking someone's life away. It is wrong not to kill them.

There are three main groups in the world – bad people, good people who think bad people are not really bad and good people who know bad people are bad. Society is now under the control of the first two groups. The bad people are being protected by the do-gooders. Christianity is a big part of the problem. Every clear thinking person knows that The Parable of the Labourers in the Vineyard is nonsense. Richard in that great film Dead Man’s Shoes summed it up perfectly : “God will forgive them. He'll forgive them and allow them into Heaven. I can't live with that.”

Killing them isn’t a punishment for some of these sickos though. Once they’re dead, they can’t feel anything, done. Who will it benefit?
Being in prison for 40/50/60 years, looking at the same 4 walls for the rest of your life is a far bigger punishment I find and they would probably prefer death.

[Eric Cartman]

So the vast majority on here are dead against (excuse the pun) the death penalty.
I am among that no. as well.
What I am for though in these cases like Sutcliffe, Huntley, Hindley, Brady etc is life in a small cell, with a toilet in it, and basic food like bread and water., with absolutely no privileges.
Anyone disagree with this?

No hope of rehabilitation, I would probably make it a tad more hospitable but I am basically on board.

[mazadona10]

I would have it back.

It wont ever happen though.

One of the issues you have is if you are capable of this stuff you surely have mental problems. Its then having to work out to what cappacity.


I wouldn't lose any sleep over criminals being killed

[Trigger]

If life in prison was worse than death then most lifers would kill themselves. The fact that they don't is proof that death is a worse punishment.

There is an interesting case going on at the moment which exposes the hypocrisy of our government. They are blaming Trump for not extraditing the American base car driver and yet we are protecting two Indian/British people from being tried for murder in India. The crime they are accused of is not uncommon in some parts of the world. Evil people are adopting orphans for the sole purpose of insuring them and then killing them for the insurance payout. Anyone who thinks these murderers do not deserve death is mentally unbalanced. Yes, I'm looking at some of you nutjobs on here. Imagine doing this to poor orphans who have already suffered so much.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/india-extr...121219294.html

Not heard of that one. Pack them off.

We must have some Americans we can trade for the Dunn killer. Or is it a case of they say send them back here and we listen to them straight away. India not so much.

[Croesy Blue]

For those in favour, what crimes should be punished by the death penalty then? Where do we draw the line?

[David Vincent]

For those in favour, what crimes should be punished by the death penalty then? Where do we draw the line?

It is easy. To have justice the punishment must be as great as the crime. You wouldn't kill people for theft because that punishment is far greater than the crime.

[Croesy Blue]

It is easy. To have justice the punishment must be as great as the crime. You wouldn't kill people for theft because that punishment is far greater than the crime.

So only killing people then?

[delmbox]

It is easy. To have justice the punishment must be as great as the crime. You wouldn't kill people for theft because that punishment is far greater than the crime.

What if you get into an altercation with someone and you feel a bit threatened and lash out and they fall and hit their head on the ground and die, do you get a death sentence?

[David Vincent]

What if you get into an altercation with someone and you feel a bit threatened and lash out and they fall and hit their head on the ground and die, do you get a death sentence?

The courts and the police know what is murder and what is manslaughter or killing in self-defence.

[delmbox]

The courts and the police know what is murder and what is manslaughter or killing in self-defence.

The courts and police are not infallible, what if the other guy had a mate with him who said that you just hit him out of nowhere, and the jury believed his word against yours?

[J R Hartley]

For those in favour, what crimes should be punished by the death penalty then? Where do we draw the line?

Thats far too general.

[Croesy Blue]

Thats far too general.

That's the point, what if someone is fighting and kills someone by accident? What if someone is speeding and kills someone? Does he want all rape included? Or just when kids are involved?

And who's drawing this line? The current Government? Would you trust them to select the "right" crimes?

[J R Hartley]

That's the point, what if someone is fighting and kills someone by accident? What if someone is speeding and kills someone? Does he want all rape included? Or just when kids are involved?

And who's drawing this line? The current Government? Would you trust them to select the "right" crimes?

Then you have to look at it as an individual case. The same crimes are not punishable by the same sentences at the moment are they? Theres not set punishments for set crimes. There's guidelines and the judge decides.

[xsnaggle]

For those in favour, what crimes should be punished by the death penalty then? Where do we draw the line?

Taking shortcuts.

[Rjk]

The fixation by some to make the worst possible punishment, is strange to me.
Surely what everyone wants is the safest possible country, and there is a lot of evidence that this isn't achieved by the death penalty.
I certainly wouldn't want a government who were as fixated on vengeance

[David Vincent]

The fixation by some to make the worst possible punishment, is strange to me.
Surely what everyone wants is the safest possible country, and there is a lot of evidence that this isn't achieved by the death penalty.
I certainly wouldn't want a government who were as fixated on vengeance

What you call vengeance many people call justice. I suppose you are one of those forgive and forget types. That's easy when you are not a victim yourself.

[Croesy Blue]

So you'd be happy for a judge to decide if something is worth killing someone for?

[David Vincent]

So you'd be happy for a judge to decide if something is worth killing someone for?

Someone has got to make a decision about everything.

[J R Hartley]

So you'd be happy for a judge to decide if something is worth killing someone for?

Absolutely. Im more than happy for a judge to decide someone of the ilk of the Ian Huntleys and Mick Philpotts of this world to be killed for the crimes they commited.

Im not endorsing we start killing every petty criminal but the ones who have been locked away for life because their crimes are deemed so bad. Get rid of them. Serves no purpose to pay to keep them alive.
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Did the children Mick Philpott killed, his own children, get a say in wether they were worth killing or not?

[Croesy Blue]

Absolutely. Im more than happy for a judge to decide someone of the ilk of the Ian Huntleys and Mick Philpotts of this world to be killed for the crimes they commited.

Im not endorsing we start killing every petty criminal but the ones who have been locked away for life because their crimes are deemed so bad. Get rid of them. Serves no purpose to pay to keep them alive.
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Did the children Mick Philpott killed, his own children, get a say in wether they were worth killing or not?

I would have no problem with Mick Philpott being killed but it's not usually that simple. I also happen to think being locked up for his whole life is worse than just lights out and dead.

[J R Hartley]

I would have no problem with Mick Philpott being killed but it's not usually that simple. I also happen to think being locked up for his whole life is worse than just lights out and dead.

Well I disagree. Hes got a roof over his head and 3 square meals a day. A lot more than a lot of people in this country who didnt kill their own children have got.

[Croesy Blue]

Well I disagree. Hes got a roof over his head and 3 square meals a day. A lot more than a lot of people in this country who didnt kill their own children have got.

But if he was dead he wouldn't even be aware of anything, isn't that the easy way out?

I think my main argument with it is in an ideal world with fair people giving fair judgements on criminals that were 100% guilty it could work. Unfortunately many people are wrongly convicted and poeple in power are often corrupt. As well as the fact it isn't a deterrant and is more expensive than life in prison it just doesn't seem worth it to me.

That's without the unconciou bias that means poorer people are more likely to be convicted of a crime.

[life on mars]

Someone killed my child /grandchild or abused them , or blew up innocent people in the name of some crap ideal , I would gladly kill them or watch them die in the hands of a justice system .

[Croesy Blue]

Someone killed my child /grandchild or abused them , or blew up innocent people in the name of some crap ideal , I would gladly kill them or watch them die in the hands of a justice system .

That's why we don't let victims choose the punishment because it isn't justice. If someone hurt my family I wouldn't be bothered if they were killed but that wouldn''t be just.

[lardy]

Someone killed my child /grandchild or abused them , or blew up innocent people in the name of some crap ideal , I would gladly kill them or watch them die in the hands of a justice system .

Which is why family members don't sentence criminals.