Jewish group walks away from Labour

[trampie09]

I don't have a friend called Stalkus and I've never heard of a Stalkus.

As regards you comparing Corbyn to Hitler that is deeply offensive to Mr Corbyn, Hitler did despicable things and to compare them is just plain ignorant and devalues the price paid by millions of people due to Hitler's actions, Corbyn is not a mass murderer and for you to compare Corbyn with Hitler is disgraceful.
It can even be argued that it is anti Semitic to label falsely and or frivolously with such ridiculous comparisons because when real anti Semitism takes places its gets treated exactly the same, so you RonnieBird is doing the cause of anti Semitism no good at all by comparing a life long anti racist campaigner to a mass murderer.

[RonnieBird]

I don't have a friend called Stalkus and I've never heard of a Stalkus.

As regards you comparing Corbyn to Hitler that is deeply offensive to Mr Corbyn, Hitler did despicable things and to compare them is just plain ignorant and devalues the price paid by millions of people due to Hitler's actions, Corbyn is not a mass murderer and for you to compare Corbyn with Hitler is disgraceful.
It can even be argued that it is anti Semitic to label falsely and or frivolously with such ridiculous comparisons because when real anti Semitism takes places its gets treated exactly the same, so you RonnieBird is doing the cause of anti Semitism no good at all by comparing a life long anti racist campaigner to a mass murderer.

Since Corbyn is an anti Semite , I don't care whether it's offensive to him or not.
People should have been more offensive to Hitler when he started on this path

[trampie09]

I will take Bercow's view when he says “I do not believe Corbyn is antisemitic,” before yours RonnieBird.

Are you Jewish yourself RonnieBird ?

[RonnieBird]

[RonnieBird]

Does that make a difference then ?

[Dorcus]

I will take Bercow's view when he says “I do not believe Corbyn is antisemitic,” before yours RonnieBird.

Are you Jewish yourself RonnieBird ?

I'm glad you asked Philip that question Trampie but I doubt he'll reply. I've asked him because it will help clarify the reasons for his obsession with this subject.

I wanted to know if he or any of his family members had been affected by persecution or indeed the horrors of the Holocaust. It would enable some of us to understand his feelings and try to sympathize with his anger and hurt. However I've had no luck in eliciting any information from him.

His name doesn't appear to be of Jewish origin at first glance but as mentioned previously many had chosen to anglicise their names. Maybe it was originally Dilivitz or something similar.

[RonnieBird]

Wow !
Firstly, that's why I call him Stalkus - because he tries to get personal details of other members and publicly uses what he wrongly believes to be my real name. That's freaky.

Now he tries to goad people about the hollocaust - I can't believe that you approve of that Trampie ???

[trampie09]

These Jewish groups that are going to walk away from Labour are they going to vote for a right wing party namely the Conservative party instead of Labour ?

[trampie09]

I've no idea who or what you are talking about RonnieBird, is the ll spelling deliberate or a typo I wonder, never mind.

[RonnieBird]

A typo obviously . Please explain what meaning it might have.

[life on mars]

The matter keeps giving and giving

https://news.sky.com/story/extinctio...story-11865863

[life on mars]

These Jewish groups that are going to walk away from Labour are they going to vote for a right wing party namely the Conservative party instead of Labour ?

Ummm no , traditional they have been friends of the Labour movement when in the good old days Labour defended them and gavevthem a political home because of far right and Islamic extremists, however there seems to be a far left issue as well , one may now asume they have no home politically, some irony there eh ?
considering there history .

What a shit world we live in.

[trampie09]

https://twitter.com/JewishChron/stat...47716815491072
Seems like you are wrong 'life on mars', back in 2015 with Ed Miliband of Jewish descent in charge of Labour, Jewish people were nearly all going to vote for a right wing party in the form of the Conservative party according to a poll done for the Jewish Chronicle, no doubt those figures are higher now, one reason given is those British Jews were concerned about Israel.

[RonnieBird]

That was only four years ago Trampie. Labour didn't become the party of anti semitism overnight.
How can you not know the huge involvement of Jews in labour during the last century ?

I don't think Jews are the only people they've alienated either. The working class, ( indofar as that exists), seem pretty dissolutioned about their votes in the referrendum being ignored by labour, and business people are increasingly worried by Herr Corbyn's antics

[trampie09]

https://twitter.com/Gertcha_Cowson/s...49600027979776
With Jewish people apparently going to vote on the right, its disturbing that some of them seem to have gone over to the far right in recent years, I hope its only very small numbers.
I don't think its a case of Labour needing to get its act together so much as it seems as if a number is being done on the Labour party as certain people and possibly even foreign Governments who would not want the Labour party running our country as Labour might be seen as been sympathetic to the Palestinian cause hence why a number is possibly being done on them.

[Dorcus]

https://twitter.com/JewishChron/stat...47716815491072
Seems like you are wrong 'life on mars', back in 2015 with Ed Miliband of Jewish descent in charge of Labour, Jewish people were nearly all going to vote for a right wing party in the form of the Conservative party according to a poll done for the Jewish Chronicle, no doubt those figures are higher now, one reason given is those British Jews were concerned about Israel.

There's a very simple answer to Jewish party allegiance. This anti-Semitism ruse is a red herring. Given the fact that genetically the Jewish race is endowed with a higher intellect than the average then most have migrated to the middle classes and higher paid jobs. Exactly the constituency that tend not to vote Labour. As you suggest Trampie this is much more an economic narrative than anything else.

[trampie09]

Jewish people aren't endowed with a higher intellect at all Dorcus, there are cultural and environmental reasons for successes and failures and I have read about both as regards them and others, false eugenics is a dangerous route to go down.
The Labour party is fast becoming the party of the middle classes, appealing to civil servants of all grades, teachers, nurses, office workers, middle management etc, if we were having this online chat a few decades ago yes but moving up to middle class I don't think is one of them at this point in time.

[RonnieBird]

Jewish people aren't endowed with a higher intellect at all Dorcus, there are cultural and environmental reasons for successes and failures and I have read about both as regards them and others, false eugenics is a dangerous route to go down.
The Labour party is fast becoming the party of the middle classes, appealing to civil servants of all grades, teachers, nurses, office workers, middle management etc, if we were having this online chat a few decades ago yes but moving up to middle class I don't think is one of them at this point in time.

I'm glad to see you challenge Stalkus' race theories Trampie, because I still don't think you're actually one of the racists in that party.
Although I usually disagree with you I have the impression that you're well intentioned.
You're right of course that in reality there are plenty of Jewish people who are neither rich nor particularly clever, but the socialist mind becomes jealous when they see hard workers succeed , and of course some Jews are successful. Now, when socialist envy is combined with low intelligence, it can quickly conclude that the Jews are bad because " they are all rich ".
I'll tell you why this is dangerous . It's because it's exactly the same thinking which hitler exploited in 1930's Germany, starting with the kind of stuff we've heard from Corbyn and gradually building until the Jews are seen as the ones who are responsible for all poverty and failure in society.
Any socialist needs someone else to blame if he ****s things up - that's a fair definition of socialism. It's a very evil philosophy which causes and has caused millions of deaths , many wars and endless human suffering. Well, we can absorb that in a democracy when they just hate anyone who's done better than them and dream of the day they can collectively mug the successful people, but when one group like the Jews are singled out we know what can happen .

Maybe you think I'm exaggerating by comparing Corbyn to hitler, but I'm not you see. This apparently low level anti semitism must be firmly rejected at an early stage or it can grow quickly.

Right here, we see two chatters ( not you ) defending it... Repeatedly "accusing" me of being Jewish and going on to say " your sort" think and do so and so. We see the worse of the two in the post above saying that Jews are " not ethnically British", and that they have a different intellect than others.

It's not nice Trampie, and I think you're better than listening to their poison

[jon1959]

I'm glad to see you challenge Stalkus' race theories Trampie, because I still don't think you're actually one of the racists in that party.
Although I usually disagree with you I have the impression that you're well intentioned.
You're right of course that in reality there are plenty of Jewish people who are neither rich nor particularly clever, but the socialist mind becomes jealous when they see hard workers succeed , and of course some Jews are successful. Now, when socialist envy is combined with low intelligence, it can quickly conclude that the Jews are bad because " they are all rich ".
I'll tell you why this is dangerous . It's because it's exactly the same thinking which hitler exploited in 1930's Germany, starting with the kind of stuff we've heard from Corbyn and gradually building until the Jews are seen as the ones who are responsible for all poverty and failure in society.
Any socialist needs someone else to blame if he ****s things up - that's a fair definition of socialism. It's a very evil philosophy which causes and has caused millions of deaths , many wars and endless human suffering. Well, we can absorb that in a democracy when they just hate anyone who's done better than them and dream of the day they can collectively mug the successful people, but when one group like the Jews are singled out we know what can happen .

Maybe you think I'm exaggerating by comparing Corbyn to hitler, but I'm not you see. This apparently low level anti semitism must be firmly rejected at an early stage or it can grow quickly.

Right here, we see two chatters ( not you ) defending it... Repeatedly "accusing" me of being Jewish and going on to say " your sort" think and do so and so. We see the worse of the two in the post above saying that Jews are " not ethnically British", and that they have a different intellect than others.

It's not nice Trampie, and I think you're better than listening to their poison

Poisonous bollocks from beginning to end. Again.

[trampie09]

https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/1099796082874150914
Who can forget this brave lady standing up to fascist bullies.

[Dorcus]

Poisonous bollocks from beginning to end. Again.

He's exceeded even himself this time. He's a knobhead with deep seated problems. I wish he would keep his dangerous filth to himself.

[RonnieBird]

No surprise who thinks complaining about anti semitism and racism is "poisonous". Pity they don't apply that description to anti semitism itself.

[jon1959]

No surprise who thinks complaining about anti semitism and racism is "poisonous". Pity they don't apply that description to anti semitism itself.

Complaining about anti-semitism and racism is right and laudable.

What you do is poisonous.

[RonnieBird]

Complaining about anti-semitism and racism is right and laudable.

What you do is poisonous.

Catching anti Semites and racists is the thing which is right and laudable .
You don't like it though, do you ?

[Heisenberg]

'Farage under fire for conspiracy claims linked to antisemitism'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-antisemitism

I'll just leave this riiiiight here.