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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
What ? The Maureen Lipman Clip Eric ?
Yeah, the hard line anti Semites here have been calling me all sorts of names ,trying to say I made it all up and trying to tell me I'm the only one who objects or sees a problem. I didn't post it myself, but it's a reality check for the deniers that I'm not the only person in the world who's concerned about it.
Here's another one
Don't you think it might be time to move away from the sensationalism?
No, Eric, definitely not. I don't think there are many places in this day and age where you'd get a little clique of anti Semites patting each other on the back and abusing dissenters like this. I've been truly shocked to find it here of all places, and although I do find it tiresome it would be cowardly and immoral to give in to them.
I can't say I have noticed any intentionally antisemitic language. I have noticed some clumsy tropes, mostly by LOM, but nothing malicious. As usual with allegations, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Go on.
Yuk! I'm sure doing adverts for shite like the Sun will go down well in places like Liverpool.
She's showing her true colours now but I suppose Murdoch's filthy lucre will have been a persuasive consideration for her.
I remember those BT adverts of hers and they were revolting. A smug, conceited type banging on about "ologies"! The pity is there will be some poor unsuspecting folk around who will be brainwashed by this sort of slick nonsense.
https://twitter.com/jonnyhusband1/st...99460081950722
Is Jeremy Corbyn been bullied ?
I've just read that Twitter thread and came upon that clip of the wonderful Miriam Margolyes. What did she say?..."I'm Jewish and I'll be supporting the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn who has been a lifelong anti racist'!!!
I dare say the wicked people trying to subvert the Labour party will say she's the wrong kind of Jew.
I suppose slagging folk off detrects from the real issue of anti semitsim existing in the Labour party, it probaly does upset them privately as its a weakness and damaging to what was once a good party .
Good luck with candidates like Zarah Sultana of Coventy North , she sums up the reason why I struggle with Labour .
So does constantly referring to things as antisemitism when they plainly aren't
Detrects?
An old trick- do a deliberate typo and see if anyone is small minded enough to mention it.
No, it's not a criminal trial. The test is public opinion and especially the opinion of the victims.
The more anyone tries to talk their way around the issue rather than addressing it, the more they alienate objective opinion.
I am not talking about anything in the mainstream that might affect the outcome of the election. I am asking you to back up your claim that people in this thread and on this board more generally are antisemitic with evidence.
No, I think I specifically said both you and Trampie ,for example , aren't anti Semitic . Even tobw isn't anti Semitic.
I honestly didn't think anyone here might be anti Semitic , but if you read over the posts, two people have ticked some boxes which are very worrying.
When we hear someone use the term " your sort" , that's really not good. When someone says that someone Jewish can't
be " ethnically English ", ( whatever that means) , that's spelling it out.
That's a surprising by product of the thread,which is about the effect on labour of not addressing the subject properly. I fully admit that I was very shocked to hear it here at my club and to hear it from people claiming to represent labour , because I'd thought it was more a case of being thoughtless than intentional ,( which it mainly is). However , although I still don't think it's widespread , I'm now convinced that some actually are motivated by plain race hate, and that REALLY should be challenged.
You really have been challenged. unfortunately you seem incapable of understanding or taking notice. I am still waiting for you to accept that approving comments on the George Soros conspiracy theories (and his mindless dupes) references is not clever; nor is constantly and uncritically endorsing apartheid/racist policies; equating the allegiances and interests of British Jewish people with those of the Israeli state; downplaying or dismissing the racism experienced by people other than Jews; and demonising lifelong anti-racist campaigners who oppose the political ideology of Zionism. Your posts never engage with the facts or the ideas behind these things. You just troll the board and throw out abuse against other posters whilst managing to be patronising, self-satisfied and boorish all at the same time.
I assume from some of your recent posts (and through a process of elimination) that the two posters you have decided are anti-semitic are Dorcus and me. Me because I oppose the Zionist ideology that underpins the Israeli state and have argued that some of the allegations made against Labour are false or exaggerated (whilst others are justified) and that in part this is a campaign against Corbyn and the Palestine solidarity movement (especially BDS)?
Is that it? If so i repeat my earlier comment on you: You really are apiece of work! I don't want you to misunderstand that expression again, so he is a definistion:
.... a piece of work is also used as an idiom to describe someone who is unpleasant, dishonest, hard to deal with, of low character.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...s_of_zion.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-49584157
Once again , I wish you could make a point without the name calling. That's a little clue in itself of course.
Anyway, I'm very confused by this stuff you're saying - and said before- that I defend apartheid and various racism. I don't think I do really. You've also mentioned George Soros before... No I don't like him or the things he tries to do but I don't understand why that somehow makes me the bad guy . Maybe you could explain the logic of that ?
Since I never named the culprits, why do you think people might think you and Dorcus might be anti Semites ?
I don't think 'people' think that. Quite the opposite. I assumed you thought that - or rather thought it would be an insinuation that would get you bites. And you were right - I bit.
If you ever want a grown up discussion about: Israel and its' laws and policies towards Israeli and Palestinian arabs; the British anti-racist tradition; the various strands of Zionism (which I admit causes me some trouble - not all Zionists think the same); the case for and against BDS; the use and abuse of anti-semitic tropes; the rising number of anti-semitic attacks (physical as well as verbal) in Europe and North America; why Islamophobia is racism, cases in Labour which illustrate the existence of anti-semitic views but other cases that show false or distorted claims have been made; the real fears that have been stoked in the British Jewish community - though some experiences but mainly through a press campaign; the slow death of a two state solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict and what alternatives remain; the role of social media in all this.... any of that stuff, I am happy to discuss and debate those issues.
But you won't. You will carry on with your alt right diatribes. You will carry on labelling socialists as Nazis. You will carry on with your claims that the Labour Party is planning a new holocaust (that really is what you have been saying!). You will carry on deflecting and avoiding facts and evidence. You will carry on with those strange boasts about your supposed connections or influence and you will carry on being bewildered that no one is impressed. You will carry on trolling.
I thought for a moment there that you were going to post something without any name calling, but you did it right at the end.
All that stuff about Israel is interesting but it should be a separate thread - maybe I'll start one.
It's very unwise to qualify disapproval of racism in the political world, which labour has somewhat done. You are also doing it, which isn't as electorally destructive because we presume that it's your personal opinion. Nonetheless , you're doing them no favours even with this small audience.
I haven't said that Labour are planning a new holocaust , ( theyd **** it up like everything else if they did ), but that they're inflaming the same prejudices in the same groups which led to the last one.
You say that there's some technical difference between other socialists and Nazis , and there may be, but to all practical purposes it's much the same thing. It's theoretical nonsense born of envy and revenge which can't work and never has worked, but usually results in incrementally more insane and inhuman cruelties until someone puts a stop to it.
The bottom line is that they both disregard the individual human being as anything else but a cog in the machine of an all powerful state which promises a better world but only produces misery, starvation and desolation.
There we are, there's the sensible discussion you invited -perhaps we should have yet another thread about why anyone still thinks socialism might work next time despite the 100% record of failures so far and the millions of human beings it has killed through violence and starvation.
Dont be silly soclaism doesn't cause death, only the Tories do, according to JC .
Old Maduro the Venezuelan socialist will explain things better he keeps funeral directors well busy.
If you listen to the two apologists for inaction on anti semitism here, it's all just nonsense - those Jews making a fuss about nothing or some mad idea I dreamed up on my own to interfere with their vision of a soviet style paradise, but once again a major figure has spoken out and the Times will lead tomorrow on the strong opinions expressed in an article by the Chief Rabbi.
He's a very brave man in my opinion, because he knows perfectly well that if Corbyn were to gain power there could be serious repercussions against him personally.
We must pray that that never happens, but be ready to defend those who would first be singled out.
Labour keep on insisting there isn't a problem with antiSemitism in the party these days, but it just won't go away - that has to be a damaging intervention by the Chief Rabbi for them. I suspect this and a position on Brexit by its leader that could be called honourable in some respects, but seems impractical to me in the current political situation is costing them this election.
I agree with most of that, although Labour do not insist there is no problem. They do (mostly) insist that they are dealing with it through disciplinary action and education, and that other parties have more of a problem but are not doing anything about it or being held to account.
Both anti-semitism and Brexit will hurt Labour electorally. I expect the impact of Corbyn personally taking a neutral stance on a second Brexit referendum will reduce as we get closer to polling day - the bullet has already been fired and he now has his script sorted out - but there will be a steady stream of anti-semitism attacks getting front page coverage up until the end.
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