Yes, I think Mossard have more pressing matters at hand , and as you say , we will know soon enough if and when they decide to act .Originally Posted by RonnieBird
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Yes, I think Mossard have more pressing matters at hand , and as you say , we will know soon enough if and when they decide to act .
I think you've hit the nail on the head Trampie; to me this feels like it's got Binjamin Netanjahu's fingerprints all over it. I wonder if our friend Ronnie is a secret Mossad agent?
Yes and I also wonder, lol.
Third rate wind up merchant is my bet but I only see a fraction of his nonsense so you could be right!
I don't think Mossad are likely to try and influence a football forum, they've got far more important work.
This is where I lose your thread. The bit I have bolded (independent investigations aside), is that not a positive? The party have acknowledged it's existence as an issue and done almost everything they have been asked to do to try to fix it, maybe they aren't making the progress you would hope but every time you bring internal investigations and suspensions/expulsions up it seems to be as a stick to beat the leadership/party with when really it proves they are making attempts to tackle it.Ronnie I have been through this argument I'd leave it , the arguments and reasons are well known ,the investigations are proving that at least the old defense arguments , are changing from the old days of ""ooooh its just old disgruntled Blairites kicking off "".
I'm sure there is Islamophobia with parties including the Tories we know Ironically it exists it quite a few some Labour Brextiers and in society .
The differences between two parties , Labour has admitted it exists in its deputy , and has said it need to be dealt with ,staff members at there HQ have been TV interviewed, the police and
EHRC are independently Investigating it .
That's all one can say really ,ones opinions have been superseded by actual events and facts all under investigation.
What "clients" were those Phil? Were these on your newspaper round or when you were cleaning dustbins?
So interesting that you speak of manual workers as if they're shit beneath your shoes - so typical of theoretical socialists .
No, these were criminals - stalkers and such
The irony of this whole thread is your position on Holocaust denial is perfectly aligned with Miko Peled. One of the original and major examples used across print media and TV of antisemitism within the Labour party (beyond random members and councillors tweeting nonsense) arose after Peled was given a platform at a labour fringe event.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rks-miko-peled
As I implied or said in that post, there's a difference between being tolerant of stuff for the sake of free speech and using it as a tool to inflame neo Nazis
People who deliver newspapers in inclement weather and people cleaning the shit out of dustbins are heroes in my opinion. I think your mind is playing tricks on you because I've never implied otherwise.
Bollocks ! You were trying to put me down by calling me a dustman and the only inference from that is that you think dustmen are some kind of scum.
Words have meanings and you're particularly prone to giving away your true motives by using them so basically. You know, when you call Jewish people , " your sort" ..... that kind of thing.
Calm down Phil, your imagination is running away with you. I was actually trying to salute you for doing a real job. Do you think you suffer from some preoccupation with self worth?
No. Do you think you bother me ?
It's most unsavoury the way you stalk someone and try to dent their self esteem and try to make them worry about you spying on them, but I'm afraid you've picked an impossible target with me because I'm very comfortable and generally regarded as very accomplished.
As I've said before , I've dealt professionally - in one way or another - with people like you before, so I know exactly where you stand in the food chain , and the pathetic little games you try to play.
I've also told you before that you should have a word with yourself about this conduct.
I think you're getting overwrought Philip. You've even invented me as a stalker now? What dreadful fitful sleep do you endure? I shan't engage with you anymore tonight, I can see the stress is getting to you. I hope you feel a lot better tomorrow
Actually I've has a very nice day thank you very much.
No, it's not saying that at all.
I think many people, including Jews , are often much too thin skinned about perceived racism. What we're talking about here is a political philosophy which holds a particular race to be bad, and that's important because we have seen it lead to serious persecution and genocide in fairly recent times.
There's no history of Moslems being rounded up , imprisoned and executed by European socialists in modern times, and we aren't hearing it said then defended by a particular extremist political party.
It's also true to say that Islam is a religion rather than a race, so it's not quite the same thing, and without defending any unreasonable behaviour, it is true that some Moslems have acted violently against civilians in democratic countries. Therefore ,some hostility toward them might be connected to this fact. Jews, on the other hand ,commit no offence except for being Jews.
You can also see this in the Middle East, where a conflict exists between the only democracy in the region and radical Islam with all its cruel behaviour and jihad against civilians and liberal laws. Corbyn and Labour supports the side which executes homosexuals, stones women to death for being raped and encourages wife beating.
They don't support these things anywhere else, so we must wonder whether they do so simply because the side opposing them are Jews.
In short though, anti semitism is particularly important only because we know that it presents a real physical danger to millions of people.
If you're referring to the holocaust, then there is no history of Jews being rounded up, imprisoned and executed by European socialists either.
Again you are saying that anti-semitism is more important to deal with than islamophobia. There has been a huge surge in the numbers of anti-islam attacks in this country over recent years, this is important to deal with as well and is no less important than attacks on Jews and their communities.
This is probably a good time to link to the political compass analysis of historical figures.
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https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
Ronnie, if the crux of your argument is that anti-semitism is more important because Hitler was a socialist then unless you have a vault of compelling evidence, i think we are probably at the point where it can be categorically said that you are physically incapable of being objective on this subject.
No one should be objective about something they've considered for over half a century then decided upon. What you mean is that we have differing opinions on the matter, which I doubt could be resolved by anyone changing their mind.
Forget Hitler then ,for the purposes of this conversation . Stalin was certainly a socialist , and he probably killed more Jews than Hitler.
It goes way beyond that, Eric. The crux of his argument (or assertion) is not just that socialists are nazis and nazis are anti-semites, therefore socialists are anti-semites, but that the British Labour Party - or at least large parts of it - are planning a bloodbath against Jewish people! He's pumping out this shit whilst wallowing in holocaust denial and anti-semitic tropes (that would have him on a disciplinary charge if he was a member of the British Labour Party!) and proudly announcing a hierarchy of racism that marginalises brown skinned victims. I don't think it is physical incapacity that is the problem, but cognitive incapacity maybe. Either that or extreme trolling by a very sad case. At the risk of feeding the troll:
https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-t...ade-unionists/
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
What are you on about anti Semitic tropes ? You're just making up plain lies now, the last resort of the scoundrel when found out !
You know Swinson is just making political capital from it.
What socialist policies did put in place that killed people? Authoritarian leaders murder people, Pinochet was an arch capitalist and liked to kill people, no one is claiming he did that because he believed in free market economics.
So LOM, no answer then to my question of what he said or did that was anti-semitic. Not surprised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_...n_(politician)
In 2017 Williamson described antisemitism as being "utterly repugnant and a scourge on society, which is why I stand in absolute solidarity with anyone who is subjected to antisemitic abuse". He added that his critics' "accusations of anti-Semitism (against him) were positively sinister" and "highly offensive and hurtful" in suggesting "that I was an anti-Semite myself, yet I have fought racism all my adult life".
In February 2019, Williamson was criticised for booking a room in the Houses of Parliament for a screening of Witch Hunt, a film about suspended party member Jackie Walker, to be hosted by Jewish Voice for Labour. At the same time, a video was published by The Yorkshire Post of him telling a Momentum meeting in Sheffield that the party was being "demonised as a racist, bigoted party", partly because, in response to criticism, the party had "given too much ground (and) been too apologetic", going on to say "We've done more to address the scourge of anti-Semitism than any other political party."
Williamson apologised for his comments saying: "I deeply regret, and apologise for, my recent choice of words when speaking about how the Labour Party has responded to the ongoing fight against antisemitism inside of our party. I was trying to stress how much the party has done to tackle anti-Semitism". On 27 February 2019, he was put under formal notice of investigation, and later that day suspended from the party.
The court case you quote resulted in a ruling that Labour's re-suspension after his readmitance in June was unlawful - a victory of sorts for Williamson although not the way the national press reported it. He was re-suspended in September for very similar reasons to the first time and the court said that disciplinary action must take its course.
Paul Evans (TOBW) wrote in another thread on the anti-semitism crisis in Labour that Chris Williamson on the radio came over to him as very unsympathetic. I can't remember the exact words he used but the impression was that Williamson was strident and not very personable. He is clearly an embarrassment to the Labour leadership who didn't want any defence of the party's actions or push back against those denouncing them. Paul's comments fit with my own impression of Chris Williamson. But I have never seen any evidence of anti-semitic words or actions from him, despite the avalanche of condemnation from the media and his political enemies.
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