Is it now harder to come to the UK than it is to become a UK citizen?

[life on mars]

It's interesting as unlimited migration as permitted within the EU had both advantages and disadvantages, of course. Some people felt, justifiably or unjustifiably, that their share of the pie would reduce (i.e. regarding jobs, state benefits etc) but others will be aware of staff shortages that may now occur in various industries. An unfair stereotype and mentioned merely for the point of amusement would be an old person voting for Brexit not realising that their carers may soon be in short supply (although it could be argued that we should train our own people and they should be more highly valued by society in general and pay them a more competitive wage).
I am very pro-European myself and did not vote for Brexit but I do recognise that certain communities feel swamped by immigrants from elsewhere in the EU. In fact, last night I was informed by a German friend of mine that his local (and which used to be mine), which is in a rural town in Germany but on the Dutch border, has been taken over by Polish management, sells Polish beer and now had predominantly Polish clientele. Such an anecdote proves very little in itself but the nature of society changing so rapidly (and one in five German residents are now first or second generation immigrants) does make some people feel disenfranchised and/or disadvantaged.

Like you I voted to stay but can see why other communities feel disadvantaged, your post is well positioned.

Strangely I was talking to an engineer from Leipzig who describes a lot of the areas in his country being have seen big increases by other cultures , then came an increase in crime , homelessness, debt and adverse effect on local communities.

I do think Europe has been very naive on this matter , they must know and see its not the most popular part of the European model and more Brexit type trouble lay ahead .

[life on mars]

While there may be further clarification in wider text, doesn't it seem strange that government would say that those who cannot speak due to a disability or health condition are more likely to be lower skilled workers? Isn't that discrimination? Doesn't it seem strange that you can become a UK ciitzen by proving you can speak Welsh or Scottish Gaelic but are less likely to be let into the country if you can speak these languages fluently?

Scottish government calling for Scottish visa system and I think we need to do the same in Wales.

As long we we exhaust our peoples abilities ,skills and job needs first, not create this unfair use of eastern Europeans via agencies instead of Welsh youngsters who are unemployed and need an opportunity.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

As long we we exhaust our peoples abilities ,skills and job needs first, not create this unfair use of eastern Europeans via agencies instead of Welsh youngsters who are unemployed and need an opportunity.

This sounds a bit like Patrick Minford's plans on "realigning" our workforce. Cut back on inadequate benefits and force people into jobs that don't pay enough, unless the plan is to raise wages to encourage British workers into jobs they wouldn't normally do. Nah, thought not.

[Des Parrot]

On one of my recent trips to Poland, my new Polish HR manager said "it's really strange now, as when you go shopping your hear so many Ukrainian voices"

It looks like a high proportion of workers in our new Polish factory will be Ukrainian, as there are not enough Poles available!

[Eric Cartman]

Scotland is part of the UK, so yes they should accept it. Also you are accusing 17.4 million people (including those who voted for it in Scotland) of being stupid which is a typical attitude of remainers in general, who will not accept the result of a binding democratic vote and it also says a lot about your general attitude to life. Wales was receiving money from the EU but the UK as a whole paid over £20 billion a year into EU coffers - there is nothing like giving you your own money back is there and then bragging about it.

What do you mean when you say people should 'accept the result'?

[Eric Cartman]

This sounds a bit like Patrick Minford's plans on "realigning" our workforce. Cut back on inadequate benefits and force people into jobs that don't pay enough, unless the plan is to raise wages to encourage British workers into jobs they wouldn't normally do. Nah, thought not.

I earn 25k in a dull office job and I wouldn't wipe old peoples arses all day in a care home for less than 100k. Even if they were to raise wages in certain sectors it wouldn't make enough of a difference.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I earn 25k in a dull office job and I wouldn't wipe old peoples arses all day in a care home for less than 100k. Even if they were to raise wages in certain sectors it wouldn't make enough of a difference.

Hence the next stage is welfare reduction. Force people into doing things.