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So, there would have been even less passing on of infections if the UK Government had announced a lockdown when it was needed instead of trying to “rescue Christmas” and figures in Wales would have been better if the WAG had been less keen on getting things back to “normal” so quickly after the Firebreak ended in early November. As I said, credit to both Governments for the vaccine, but the people being saved by the rapid rolling out of said vaccine are a drop in the ocean compared to the number who have died in the UK in the last eleven months - I read an article last week that said their success with the vaccine was like scoring a penalty in the last ten minutes when you were 10-0 down as far as the UK Government is concerned, I think that’s a bit cruel, but the sentiment behind it is right.Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I has nothing to do with government, what he was saying was because people were moving around less because of the christmas break there was less passing on of infections so if christmas hadn't happened the numbers would have been even higher. That's all.
That wasn't the term he used at all.
He said
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The decline in January was almost certainly because of the Christmas period, being as people were staying at home more. Although there were concerns that Christmas may drive the epidemic, the evidence is that Christmas probably reduced the epidemic. Because people were at home, they weren't going out to work. Schools were closed and, since then, case numbers have dropped far more rapidly than I was expecting with this new variant. This is driving my optimism".
The point you are referring to is at around the 17 minute mark on this link.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rvp7
Yes. The evidence is suppressing movement of people suppresses movement of the virus. Amazing that we are nearly a year into this, and this still point is still needed to be made, isn't it?
This is a lot more helpful.
Infection rate in Wales at its lowest since 4th October.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ction-19783843
Dozens of countries with South African and Brazilian Covid variants left off quarantine ‘red list’
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...list-w0jbd3cktWe're coming up to a year on from our scientists/politicians choosing not to close any borders due to the virus being so prevalent within the UK it wasn't seen as a good idea. What are the odds that we're going to repeat this?Covid: Oxford jab protection against South Africa variant 'limited' (The preliminary findings from a small study of more than 2,000 people have not yet been peer-reviewed.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55967767
In more positive news, test positivity rate in Wales figures released yesterday was just 7.67%. The lower this and infections go the more likely test-and-trace will work as desired.
That's a bit unfair. The rapid roll out of the vaccine, the selection of the right vaccines and the decision not to use the EMA for procurement of the vaccine could well end up saving in excess of the number of lives lost. Time will tell whether that is correct.
I think that article on the bbc website is a bit misleading, AZ still seem to think it will protect against severe forms of the SA variant. If there's a slight dip in efficacy against mild and moderate forms of it, it really wouldn't be that bad.
I’m talking about the period up to mid February - as I mentioned earlier, it’s akin to scoring a late goal when you’re being thrashed.
All 3 of those things are related to the vaccine aren't they?
If it hadn't been so poorly mismanaged early on maybe we wouldn't have needed this to be saving lives more just opening up the country.
Really. Very many countries are scrambling to get the vaccine. Why do you think this is?
Isn't that a double negative?
Shirley if they mismanaged it poorly that means they tried to mismanage it but failed?
Almost under 100 per 100k in Wales now....tier one.....yet everyone I know feels like Jack Nicholson in the Shining
Wales figures
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ction-19800519
Looking good as ever, back to September levels. I’m sure our esteemed government will end the suffering by July
Finally HM Gov have woken up to the fact that maybe, just maybe, people coming into the UK from abroad could be bringing in the virus. How else would the Brazilian and South African strains have got here? Migratory birds perhaps? Scotland has the right idea - forget the red list nonsense - anyone coming into Scotland from anywhere abroad is now required to quarantine in an hotel at a cost of £1700 per person. However you can bet that some clowns will jet into Manchester or Birmingham and then drive up to Scotland.
Maybe 2 swallows carried the virus between them
An under-covid operation no doubt.
you have the answer right there, just drive up from a airport in england / wales, we know plenty will do it
I know someone who flew to florida ( when we could travel ) they flew to europe, then to a Caribbean island ( where they isolated for 10 days in a beach side Villa ) then flew onto the US where once again they isolated for 10 days ( they have a holiday home in florida )
took them 24 days from door to door, but they got to spend christmas and the winter in the sun
Great to hear the AstraZeneca vaccine is okay for over 65's despite European caution.
The longer break between the first and second vaccine seems to be another correct decision according to scientific evidence
That miss management argument could be made anywhere in the world including cautious Wales and Scotland who had the independent ability to apply its own and different rules.
The second wave has effected those European countries who took very different decisions and the virus still won .
I'd replace the word miss management with inexperience here in the UK and elsewhere .
What is clear the vaccine investment and roll out in the UK has been ground breaking and unique.
With everyone over 70 vaccinated soon, and everyone over 50 by May apparently, how is there any justification for keeping restrictions going on? Especially with rates so low at the moment, we will be back at September levels soon if not already.....surely shops, pubs, cafes restaurants won’t last much longer if they don’t open them in the next month or so.....
https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/sta...776609285?s=19
losing track of how many stories like this there have been already
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