Reply With QuoteIs a bit...apart from peacefully in ones sleep is there a good way?Originally Posted by bluesp
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This is a bit dark gents
Is a bit...apart from peacefully in ones sleep is there a good way?
Do not go gentle into that goodnight......................
china is back to normal - The US and Europe are not - Here's how it succeeded
Basically just testing with tempo & lock downs done strictly
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...0-10?r=US&IR=T
So China can get back to normal without the need for a vaccine so it seems . Why can't the rest of the world ?
Citizens in most other countries wouldn't have put up with the aggressive way that China dealt with it.
how about Hong Kong, or Korea or Vietnam?
I'm not sure that those three countries were as aggressive with their citizens as China.
Either way, I doubt that approach would have worked in the US or Europe.
Do you believe it? Hong kong hasn’t and it’s part of China and and island?
Interestingly, the Oxford vaccine has done almost 6 months of testing apparently, compared to the recent ones announced that have only managed three. Expect some bigger news from this one which has been producing it behind the scenes for longer. Surely this one, right in our door step is the one we will get first?
I don't think proximity of the company developing it would make much difference would it?
I hope the AZ/Oxford one is successful because the UK gov has purchased 100m doses of it. 30m of the Pfizer one, which is likely to be the first approved for us in UK, and 5m of the Moderna vaccine which we won't get until Spring 2021
I think the pharmaceutical industry has done a fantastic job getting vaccines ready in such quick time. Just 12 months ago no one had heard of Covid-19
Agreed.
I think we've got a lot more of this one ordered so it will be a bigger deal for us.
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you can definitely see an effect of the second lockdown now, especially if you assume that without it the increase would have continued unabated or possibly accelerated.
the question is how low will it go before the effect of the lockdown ends and how quickly will it shoot back up again.
I can't see it dropping as low as it did over the summer, but hopefully it doesn't re-climb as rapidly
And surely getting something from the USA or a lab in Oxford, the latter would be more straightforward? Sure I heard the Oxford one doesn’t have to be stored at super low temps either
Welsh names are nowhere near as prominent in the list in this link as they were previously, but I notice there has been an increase in cases in Blaenau Gwent over the past few days while the figures are lower everywhere else.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...navirus-uk-map
You'd like to think that they can still come down a fair bit yet (I notice the R is below 1 now in Northern Ireland after a four week lockdown that has just been extended), but, after the debate as to whether a Welsh lockdown was necessary about a month ago, I think there may well turn out to be one about whether it was long enough?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54965126
Northern Ireland are letting limited fans back into grounds aswell Bob. Hopefully we won't be far behind, i would feel more safe and social distanced down the city with 2000 fans spread all over the ground than in the some of the pubs which are open.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54976362
I firmly believe that the excess deaths figures are the clearest indicator of the effects of the pandemic. These figures don't rely on any diagnosis or certification, so I believe they present the truest picture of the situation.
The UK figure for 2020 now tops 70,000 and is still rising.
Yeah I agree it’s the most accurate metric. 70,000 people dying is tragic no matter how some people will try to write them off as people who are “old with underlying conditions”.
I can’t believe some people are still saying it’s just another flu and we shouldn’t be worrying.
Apparently the UXK Government has pre-purchased several potential vaccines, it just so happened that the latest one reported was not one of them.
The other thing to bear in mind is that the Oxford one costs about £2-3 a shot compared with the other 2 which are about £10+ a shot.
I realise money is not the overriding factor but that kind of disparity certainly helps if they all work.
Pfizer will produce the vaccine for UK in Puurs, Belgium, just across the water literally. It will be transported in Pfizer designed specialist boxes containing up to 1,000 vials to ensure its kept at the right temperature. It'll probably be the first one we get.
The Oxford AZ one has yet to publish data so will probably be a little way behind Pfizer. The Moderna vaccine will not be supplied to UK until spring. The other vaccines UK have ordered are some way behind and just entering large scale clinical studies, so my guess we'll see them in the Summer.
When you look at the cost of lockdowns and the cost of Covid to families and the NHS the price of the vaccine is incidental. The Oxford one will be supplied at cost, but don't forget the UK Gov gave Oxford/AZ many many millions to aid development. They gave Pfizer nothing
What potential impediments to the literally seamless transportation from Belgium to the UK could you envisage in the next couple of months?
If it gets fast tracked, what gets slower tracked?
I mentioned that the Pfizer one will be made in Belgium. I forget to mention that the Oxford/AZ vaccine will be made in India, not in the UK.
Both companies have already produced millions of doses at commercial risk, so that they can supply just as soon as they get approval
I doubt Brexit will get in the way of this. Both UK and Eu Pharma have pushed for mutual recognition of medicines post Brexit, and it's a two way street with UK supplying many critical medicines to Europe. Pharmaceuticals are generally small ie don't take up much space, so transporting a lot of product isn't usually an issue. As a cold chain product the vaccine will probably be flown into UK.
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