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Thread: Coronavirus update

  1. #4681

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Wales is banning people from other areas in the Uk with a high number of cases from visiting the country;-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54540764
    Quite right. Well done Drakeford.

  2. #4682

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Quite right. Well done Drakeford.
    By Friday apparently. Seems a very sensible move especially when you see those idiots in Liverpool dancing in the streets who are more than likely going to affect others.

  3. #4683

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    Sky news coverage pretty grim this evening. Hospitals almost at capacity in some areas of the north west for ventilators, a lot of people now saying a complete circuit breaker is needed for at least 2 weeks. And people are still meeting up in their houses and social clubs.
    Still not telling oldies to shield yet either, but talking of circuit breakers.....the clarity is just amazing.

  4. #4684

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Quite right. Well done Drakeford.
    I agree, seems madness to let them travel out of their county, we can’t even leave cardiff and it’s low compared to Liverpool etc...

  5. #4685

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Got a phone call yesterday from the village in Merthyr saying there’s a couple of the older boys in intensive care not looking good, and one of my favourite characters ( a Psycholoon) died from Covid yesterday. all of a sudden it’s become a lot more real for me.
    How did they get it, your older boy mates?

  6. #4686

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    How did they get it, your older boy mates?
    As far as I know they were all using the same pub in the village.

  7. #4687

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    19,700 new cases today and 137 more deaths, what the figures don't make clear is if it is the areas already suffering most that are being hardest hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Quite right. Well done Drakeford.
    That'll take some enforcing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    19,700 new cases today and 137 more deaths, what the figures don't make clear is if it is the areas already suffering most that are being hardest hit.
    In one area they were restricted because of a spike and excess deaths but the mojority were in 1 or 2 hospitals as I understand. If you take out the nbumbers you know are froma specific cause, like the university students, how do we know what the fiugres look like then

    I was interested to see before the weekend that Mark Drakeford said that all their evidence told them that the increase was in the community and among extended families, and that there is no evidence to support the clamour that it is caused by pubs and restaurants. Not often I applaud him but I admire his honesty on the point.

    Sadly 2 days later Gethin said he might close the pubs to stop the spread. It really is a knee jerk reaction. The easiest target and one that everyone notices, but the affect is dubious. To spread it in a pub someone must have contracted it at home or at work or where ever.

  10. #4690

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    To spread it in a pub someone must have contracted it at home or at work or where ever.
    Why.? They might have caught it in one pub then passed it on in another pub.

    Then gone and spread it at work or wherever.

  11. #4691

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    That'll take some enforcing!
    Wouldn't take long to identify a car load of scousers down in the rural west!

  12. #4692

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    19,700 new cases today and 137 more deaths, what the figures don't make clear is if it is the areas already suffering most that are being hardest hit.
    Figures up 40% in a week. Some more radical action is needed if this virus is to be contained.

  13. #4693

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    To spread it in a pub someone must have contracted it at home or at work or where ever.
    Surely though if you catch it at home and stay at home you won't spread it but if you catch it at home then go to the pub you will, so therefore there's a logic to closing the pubs?

  14. #4694

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    Wouldn't take long to identify a car load of scousers down in the rural west!
    Speeding: ?:

  15. #4695

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Surely though if you catch it at home and stay at home you won't spread it but if you catch it at home then go to the pub you will, so therefore there's a logic to closing the pubs?
    People going to local pubs and back to someone’s house post pub is the main issue I hear.

  16. #4696

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    not a dig at you but I could probably find a bunch of other experts who say the complete opposite. It's one of the things that make this situation so difficult isn't it
    I'm not sure that you would be able to find an expert who says circuit breaker lockdowns are "guaranteed to succeed" and would bring "benefit without cost"!

  17. #4697

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Wales is banning people from other areas in the Uk with a high number of cases from visiting the country;-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54540764
    Does this mean that we can't sign Harry Wilson?!

  18. #4698

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Does this mean that we can't sign Harry Wilson?!

  19. #4699

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    I'm not sure that you would be able to find an expert who says circuit breaker lockdowns are "guaranteed to succeed" and would bring "benefit without cost"!
    Well no but I'm sure there are experts who say that the only way to stem the spread is through a circuit breaker

  20. #4700

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    https://www.newstatesman.com/science...-wave-covid-19

    The hospitality industry has been singled out by Chris Whitty for spreading the virus, but the evidence is anything but clear-cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Quite right. Well done Drakeford.
    They have been doing it to a degree by stealth for a couple of weeks.
    The test centres used to have people from all over the country coming to them but for the last 2 weeks no one from outside the test centre local area has been able to book at test.
    How can it be that you can enter a restricted area to go to work or to school but you cannot enter it to find out if you have a potentially fatal illness?

  22. #4702

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Well no but I'm sure there are experts who say that the only way to stem the spread is through a circuit breaker
    there are experts that say we would save 7000 lives by implementing a circuit breaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    there are experts that say we would save 7000 lives by implementing a circuit breaker.
    I think it would be 8000.

  24. #4704

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    Should be easy to police - anyone spotted in South Wales wearing a Man Utd or Liverpool shirt should be instantly sent back north and placed into quarantine for two weeks with no access to Sky Sports.

  25. #4705

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Quite right. Well done Drakeford.
    It's a political move and little to do with protecting us. I had a look at the paper which Prof Drakeford quotes as the evidence and the conclusion is.... the easing of the lockdown rules in July/ August has corresponded with an increase in cases with data suggesting that increases in Wales may be driven by imports from other parts of the UK and wider world
    And how do you police this? The Severn Bridge has 30,000 vehicles cross into Wales each day. That will continue.

    In North Wales 36,000 workers move out of their areas to work each day, and 23,000 come in to these areas...

    In South East Wales the figures are 57,000 out, 32,000 in

    This is not to say they they commute to England but they move in and out of their localities and there must be some traffic to England

    Trying to stop tourists from high risk areas is not viable when there is such a large amount of daily traffic anyhow, and probably not worth the immense effort required to police it properly.

    AS I said earlier our FM seemingly can't help trying to score points

  26. #4706

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Thanks for the support but shouldn't that have been answering the first sarcastic comment form Jordi Cule?
    He knows I'm being sarcastic, it's my general demeanour.

    He's supporting you because he's realised that sometimes you come across as dull as an empty packet of Wotsits.

    Be grateful someone cares.

    Hugs, kisses, catches and love.

  27. #4707

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    It's a political move and little to do with protecting us. I had a look at the paper which Prof Drakeford quotes as the evidence and the conclusion is.... the easing of the lockdown rules in July/ August has corresponded with an increase in cases with data suggesting that increases in Wales may be driven by imports from other parts of the UK and wider world
    And how do you police this? The Severn Bridge has 30,000 vehicles cross into Wales each day. That will continue.

    In North Wales 36,000 workers move out of their areas to work each day, and 23,000 come in to these areas...

    In South East Wales the figures are 57,000 out, 32,000 in

    This is not to say they they commute to England but they move in and out of their localities and there must be some traffic to England

    Trying to stop tourists from high risk areas is not viable when there is such a large amount of daily traffic anyhow, and probably not worth the immense effort required to police it properly.

    AS I said earlier our FM seemingly can't help trying to score points
    https://www.polfed.org/news-media/la...n-regulations/

    The head of the Police Federation in Wales has already said that the rules are unenforceable.

  28. #4708

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    They have been doing it to a degree by stealth for a couple of weeks.
    The test centres used to have people from all over the country coming to them but for the last 2 weeks no one from outside the test centre local area has been able to book at test.
    How can it be that you can enter a restricted area to go to work or to school but you cannot enter it to find out if you have a potentially fatal illness?
    Are you sure this is true. Exactly 2 weeks ago my wife had a test outside our lockdown area and was told that this is allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    He knows I'm being sarcastic, it's my general demeanour.

    He's supporting you because he's realised that sometimes you come across as dull as an empty packet of Wotsits.

    Be grateful someone cares.

    Hugs, kisses, catches and love.
    Dull? lmao but not blinkered.

  30. #4710

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    It's a political move and little to do with protecting us. I had a look at the paper which Prof Drakeford quotes as the evidence and the conclusion is.... the easing of the lockdown rules in July/ August has corresponded with an increase in cases with data suggesting that increases in Wales may be driven by imports from other parts of the UK and wider world
    And how do you police this? The Severn Bridge has 30,000 vehicles cross into Wales each day. That will continue.

    In North Wales 36,000 workers move out of their areas to work each day, and 23,000 come in to these areas...

    In South East Wales the figures are 57,000 out, 32,000 in

    This is not to say they they commute to England but they move in and out of their localities and there must be some traffic to England

    Trying to stop tourists from high risk areas is not viable when there is such a large amount of daily traffic anyhow, and probably not worth the immense effort required to police it properly.

    AS I said earlier our FM seemingly can't help trying to score points
    Utter rubbish

    I cant travel 7 miles to do some shopping because of a lockdown.

    Drakeford is doing the right thing to stop people from an area like Liverpool with a high infection rate travelling into Wales.

    Its not political its the right thing to do.

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