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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Are you sure this is true. Exactly 2 weeks ago my wife had a test outside our lockdown area and was told that this is allowed.
    I know the number of tests being carried out has dropped dramatically, and that was ordered by the government 2 weeks ago. As an example Abercynon in that period hasn't seen 1 person from outside Wales or indeed from outside RCT. Which makes me ask 'Why are they not doing the other 600 odd tests a day they could be?'. What I said this is a fact. And who can book where is controlled by the government, not the test centres. There must be a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I know the number of tests being carried out has dropped dramatically, and that was ordered by the government 2 weeks ago. As an example Abercynon in that period hasn't seen 1 person from outside Wales or indeed from outside RCT. Which makes me ask 'Why are they not doing the other 600 odd tests a day they could be?'. What I said this is a fact. And who can book where is controlled by the government, not the test centres. There must be a reason.
    Abercynon is in my lockdown area. My wife was sent to Merthyr outside.

    The Merthyr one is slightly closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Are you sure this is true. Exactly 2 weeks ago my wife had a test outside our lockdown area and was told that this is allowed.
    Due to the Government website only calculating distances to testing stations as the crow flies, people in North Somerset are offered Cardiff as their nearest Covid-testing station. My friend in WSM went for the 'next nearest' station in Taunton last Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Abercynon is in my lockdown area. My wife was sent to Merthyr outside.

    The Merthyr one is slightly closer.
    I don't doubt it. The test centre in Merthyr is run from either Abercynon or Ebbw Vale.
    On another point, the new laboratory which opened in Newport on Monday is now sending tests to ther places because it cannot cope with the numbers being sent there. As all the tests were being analysed before monday there must be space somewhere. Seems silly to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I don't doubt it. The test centre in Merthyr is run from either Abercynon or Ebbw Vale.
    On another point, the new laboratory which opened in Newport on Monday is now sending tests to ther places because it cannot cope with the numbers being sent there. As all the tests were being analysed before monday there must be space somewhere. Seems silly to me.
    My family have had 2 tests in the last 6 weeks.

    The response , ease of booking , speed of result ( 1 under 24 hours 1 slightly over) were excellent. Both negative so cant comment on Contact Tracing)

    Centres were Cwm and Merthyr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    My family have had 2 tests in the last 6 weeks.

    The response , ease of booking , speed of result ( 1 under 24 hours 1 slightly over) were excellent. Both negative so cant comment on Contact Tracing)

    Centres were Cwm and Merthyr.
    Yes, what happens is the main centres have mobile units, and when ordered they go out to other places and set up testing stations. The samples go back to the main unit at night to be sent to a lab. It seems to work OK as you discovered.

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    Ending Coronavirus wth herd immunity is a "dangerous fallacy" - I've never understood some people's faith in it when we cannot know yet whether you're immune or not.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gerous-fallacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Ending Coronavirus wth herd immunity is a "dangerous fallacy" - I've never understood some people's faith in it when we cannot know yet whether you're immune or not.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gerous-fallacy
    Herd immunity is a very dangerous concept and any policy to do that would certainly overwhelm the hospitals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Utter rubbish

    I cant travel 7 miles to do some shopping because of a lockdown.

    Drakeford is doing the right thing to stop people from an area like Liverpool with a high infection rate travelling into Wales.

    Its not political its the right thing to do.
    Its not rubbish, this is official data. The movement of people from one are to another is because they travel to and from work, and that's a reasonable excuse apparently!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    there are experts that say we would save 7000 lives by implementing a circuit breaker.
    name them

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    name them
    the lives, not the experts

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Its not rubbish, this is official data. The movement of people from one are to another is because they travel to and from work, and that's a reasonable excuse apparently!!
    Certainly happens in North Wales , Drakeford has been asked to publish his reason by data , before stopping people earning money to work and feed their families and further damage the already weakened Welsh Economy ,these are very worrying times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Certainly happens in North Wales , Drakeford has been asked to publish his reason by data , before stopping people earning money to work and feed their families and further damage the already weakened Welsh Economy ,these are very worrying times.
    I thought it was intended to stop infected people killing others; not much to ask in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Certainly happens in North Wales , Drakeford has been asked to publish his reason by data , before stopping people earning money to work and feed their families and further damage the already weakened Welsh Economy ,these are very worrying times.
    Yes they are worrying times and whilst Drakeford claims he is doing the best for Wales the data shows otherwise. Cardiff will have been in lockdown for 3 weeks come Sunday and the numbers with Covid keep rising. Caerphilly around 5 weeks and cases are still high. North Wales can't seem to control it, plus RCT, and I could go on.
    England has hot spots in the North and London but much of the country is relatively good. In Wales most of the country has increasing cases and everyday its getting worse more or less across the board. Over 2/3 of us are in lockdown.

    His data for banning the English concluded that visitors from UK and other parts of the world MAY have impacted on things in July/ August, but it's not conclusive. To take the action he is on that data shows scant regard for his people and their livelihoods.

    With Drakeford in Wales and Burham in Manchester we are seeing party politics being played at the highest level with the lives of the UK population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Yes they are worrying times and whilst Drakeford claims he is doing the best for Wales the data shows otherwise. Cardiff will have been in lockdown for 3 weeks come Sunday and the numbers with Covid keep rising. Caerphilly around 5 weeks and cases are still high. North Wales can't seem to control it, plus RCT, and I could go on.
    England has hot spots in the North and London but much of the country is relatively good. In Wales most of the country has increasing cases and everyday its getting worse more or less across the board. Over 2/3 of us are in lockdown.

    His data for banning the English concluded that visitors from UK and other parts of the world MAY have impacted on things in July/ August, but it's not conclusive. To take the action he is on that data shows scant regard for his people and their livelihoods.

    With Drakeford in Wales and Burham in Manchester we are seeing party politics being played at the highest level with the lives of the population.
    Sadly it is becoming that way all very well coordinated as well started with Sir Kier's circuit breaker , what I don't understand Sir Kier wants to shut down the whole country, Burnham doesn't want tier 3 as it will hurt Manchester, Wales could lock down now, in as much Boris is accused of confusion so does the opposition ,just depends on their vote base .

    Yep its now become party politics sadly .

    Lives are at stake as they are every winter , average Covid deaths are at 82 age , non Covid 81, which is extremely sad , it does seem it highjacked the elderly and very vulnerable, perhaps we double down on protecting them and allow young people to work and move about in a responsible way , sadly responsible behaviour is badly lacking in our society.

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    Great to see the Government ramping up Vitamin D consumption , every little helps , helped my immune issues over the last few years after some great doctors advise .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Yes they are worrying times and whilst Drakeford claims he is doing the best for Wales the data shows otherwise. Cardiff will have been in lockdown for 3 weeks come Sunday and the numbers with Covid keep rising. Caerphilly around 5 weeks and cases are still high. North Wales can't seem to control it, plus RCT, and I could go on.
    England has hot spots in the North and London but much of the country is relatively good. In Wales most of the country has increasing cases and everyday its getting worse more or less across the board. Over 2/3 of us are in lockdown.

    His data for banning the English concluded that visitors from UK and other parts of the world MAY have impacted on things in July/ August, but it's not conclusive. To take the action he is on that data shows scant regard for his people and their livelihoods.

    With Drakeford in Wales and Burham in Manchester we are seeing party politics being played at the highest level with the lives of the UK population.
    I think the arrival of 35000 students in Cardiff might be a lot to do with it. That’s a lot of young people from all over the world.
    I’ll go for a two weeker but no more. What’s the point as it will just creep back up again when people start to move about.
    Like mentioned above the average age of death is 82, surely those that need protecting can do just that even though amazingly, they haven’t been told to shield again yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    I think the arrival of 35000 students in Cardiff might be a lot to do with it. That’s a lot of young people from all over the world.
    I’ll go for a two weeker but no more. What’s the point as it will just creep back up again when people start to move about.
    Like mentioned above the average age of death is 82, surely those that need protecting can do just that even though amazingly, they haven’t been told to shield again yet.
    Well they can't stay at home and protect their lives if no one has told them to. You can't expect that. They're adults, they have to be told what to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Sadly it is becoming that way all very well coordinated as well started with Sir Kier's circuit breaker , what I don't understand Sir Kier wants to shut down the whole country, Burnham doesn't want tier 3 as it will hurt Manchester, Wales could lock down now, in as much Boris is accused of confusion so does the opposition ,just depends on their vote base .

    Yep its now become party politics sadly .

    Lives are at stake as they are every winter , average Covid deaths are at 82 age , non Covid 81, which is extremely sad , it does seem it highjacked the elderly and very vulnerable, perhaps we double down on protecting them and allow young people to work and move about in a responsible way , sadly responsible behaviour is badly lacking in our society.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...our-and-tories

    Looks like Labour and Tory council leaders and MPs in Greater Manchester are singing from the same song sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Sadly it is becoming that way all very well coordinated as well started with Sir Kier's circuit breaker , what I don't understand Sir Kier wants to shut down the whole country, Burnham doesn't want tier 3 as it will hurt Manchester, Wales could lock down now, in as much Boris is accused of confusion so does the opposition ,just depends on their vote base .

    Yep its now become party politics sadly .

    Lives are at stake as they are every winter , average Covid deaths are at 82 age , non Covid 81, which is extremely sad , it does seem it highjacked the elderly and very vulnerable, perhaps we double down on protecting them and allow young people to work and move about in a responsible way , sadly responsible behaviour is badly lacking in our society.
    Wasn’t the initial responses to Covid19 influenced by ‘party politics’, ongoing political policies e.g. Brexit and BoJo’s own libertarian view on things?

    Sadly, the lack of any common sense and responsibility shown by the UK government has led where we are today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Dull? lmao but not blinkered.
    You’re not blinkered?

    So the countless discussions you have on here in relation to any topic are supported with hard evidence and not just the ramblings of your over excited mind.

    I apologise, profusely. I’ve marked you down all wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    Wasn’t the initial responses to Covid19 influenced by ‘party politics’, ongoing political policies e.g. Brexit and BoJo’s own libertarian view on things?

    Sadly, the lack of any common sense and responsibility shown by the UK government has led where we are today.

    One of the worst phrases of recent years is 'playing party politics'. It's the easiest way to try to shut down someone that you don't agree with. Just say they're playing politics. It's meaningless enough that you don't have to justify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    One of the worst phrases of recent years is 'playing party politics'. It's the easiest way to try to shut down someone that you don't agree with. Just say they're playing politics. It's meaningless enough that you don't have to justify it.
    Professor Jeremy Farrar of the Welcome Trust, and a SAGE member has just said 'playing party politics' and a North/South divide is very damaging to public health.

    It sickens me that we have major UK cities with populations bigger than Wales with very very high numbers of Covid patients, struggling hospitals and a escalating death rate, whilst our leaders are bickering, businesses failing, and many of our young adults refusing to take responsibility for their behaviour.

    God knows what sort of a winter lies ahead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    One of the worst phrases of recent years is 'playing party politics'. It's the easiest way to try to shut down someone that you don't agree with. Just say they're playing politics. It's meaningless enough that you don't have to justify it.
    I listened to an interview with Matt Hancock on Radio 5 Live last night, where he accused Andy Burnham of playing party politics five times while continuously saying that we should all join together in the national interest the same amount of times. Presumably, his take on the "national interest" is that everyone should fall into line with the UK Government's view on things, so isn't he just playing party politics as well?

    Hancock's repetitive interview was an example of the woeful standard of political debating on both sides of this argument - continuously repeating yourself does not prove you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I listened to an interview with Matt Hancock on Radio 5 Live last night, where he accused Andy Burnham of playing party politics five times while continuously saying that we should all join together in the national interest the same amount of times. Presumably, his take on the "national interest" is that everyone should fall into line with the UK Government's view on things, so isn't he just playing party politics as well?

    Hancock's repetitive interview was an example of the woeful standard of political debating on both sides of this argument - continuously repeating yourself does not prove you're right.
    At the end of the day our democratically elected government is responsible. By all means listen to everyone views, the government then needs to decide what action should be taken. Otherwise we are moving towards anarchy.

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    The tories are now throwing party politics about is just laughable. A desperate government and a few desperate supporters.

    Beats Corbyn and Abbott wouldnt have done better though blah blah blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    At the end of the day our democratically elected government is responsible. By all means listen to everyone views, the government then needs to decide what action should be taken. Otherwise we are moving towards anarchy.
    Is it anarchy when the people on the other side of the argument are also democratically elected figures?

    Anyway, my point was more to do with the lamentable standard of what passes for political debate these days.

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