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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    You’re not blinkered?

    So the countless discussions you have on here in relation to any topic are supported with hard evidence and not just the ramblings of your over excited mind.

    I apologise, profusely. I’ve marked you down all wrong.
    I d0n't ramble and you have no duty to read what I write so don't read it. On the internet, as I've mentioned before, everyone seems obsessed with 'hard evidence' demanding lonks and proof of every thing. Send me your address and when I take a shit I'll send you the hard evidence.
    I just speak from my own knowledge gained over many years of life and very varied experience, just as you might chat to someone in a pub, I'm not in the debating chamber of the house of clowns in the bay.
    For what it's worth I think you are a bigotted troll who looks for people who's politics you thinks differs from yours or whom you think are weak, and then you target them. Enjoy!

  2. #4742

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Is it anarchy when the people on the other side of the argument are also democratically elected figures?

    Anyway, my point was more to do with the lamentable standard of what passes for political debate these days.
    Anarchy or not....I suppose it's to do with people's responsibilities and accountabilities. What Burnham is doing is akin to the Mayor of Cardiff telling the Senedd that he'll decide how covid is handled in the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Anarchy or not....I suppose it's to do with people's responsibilities and accountabilities. What Burnham is doing is akin to the Mayor of Cardiff telling the Senedd that he'll decide how covid is handled in the city.
    Close all the roads out, open panini outlets and plant trees. That'll work!!!

  4. #4744

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    Hearing the Welsh Government are planning a 3 week lockdown beginning a week today or tomorrow.....they are leaking it out to ease the pain....

  5. #4745

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Anarchy or not....I suppose it's to do with people's responsibilities and accountabilities. What Burnham is doing is akin to the Mayor of Cardiff telling the Senedd that he'll decide how covid is handled in the city.
    That would be ideal

  6. #4746

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I d0n't ramble and you have no duty to read what I write so don't read it. On the internet, as I've mentioned before, everyone seems obsessed with 'hard evidence' demanding lonks and proof of every thing. Send me your address and when I take a shit I'll send you the hard evidence.
    I just speak from my own knowledge gained over many years of life and very varied experience, just as you might chat to someone in a pub, I'm not in the debating chamber of the house of clowns in the bay.
    For what it's worth I think you are a bigotted troll who looks for people who's politics you thinks differs from yours or whom you think are weak, and then you target them. Enjoy!
    You think I'm a bigoted troll?

    Fair play for someone who regularly acts like the pub twat on here you're slightly over sensitive about getting pointed out on it. Go back a few messages and remember it was you calling me out like a class snitch.

    Anyway, let's cwtch and make up. Life"s too short and I'm not over enthusiastic about receiving your faecal artwork through the post. I'll get you a pint when we're all allowed to go back into the pubs.

  7. #4747

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Professor Jeremy Farrar of the Welcome Trust, and a SAGE member has just said 'playing party politics' and a North/South divide is very damaging to public health.

    It sickens me that we have major UK cities with populations bigger than Wales with very very high numbers of Covid patients, struggling hospitals and a escalating death rate, whilst our leaders are bickering, businesses failing, and many of our young adults refusing to take responsibility for their behaviour.

    God knows what sort of a winter lies ahead!
    Out of interest who do you think Professor Farrar is pointing the finger at there, Burnham, Boris or both?

  8. #4748

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    hate to bring good news to this thread

    but this certainly looks good news

    https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topi..._albert_bourla

  9. #4749

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    The greater Manchester situation shows the extent to which the government doesn’t get it: restrictions only work with public support – a sense of us pulling together to protect one another. Without that they have no hope.

    For months – ever since the Cummings incident – the strategy seems to have relied on introducing ever-more draconian fines for everything, despite them often being all but impossible to actually impose. It doesn’t work: lockdowns (and restrictions) work by consent.

    The result is a government pushing inadequate measures, with feeble support, to an indifferent public. And each time they react to that and step up the action, they do it two weeks too late. No wonder hospitals are filling up again.

    https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status...11826576642048
    Wednesday of this week saw 946 cases in Wales, 12.43% of tests returning positive results, and 10 deaths compared to 752 cases and 3 deaths last week with Winter season still to come. We know that going hard early can buy time but medium to longer term there needs to be a different plan than what we have been doing which is seeing/starting to see a detrimental effect to almost every aspect of life, and with a potential no deal now being spoken about more seriously than before.

    An article on Germany's test/trace system from earlier this year: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...=1602853397226

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    hate to bring good news to this thread

    but this certainly looks good news

    https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topi..._albert_bourla
    Will the yanks share it though? As long as they give me one when the plane lands there next October I’ll be happy.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Wednesday of this week saw 946 cases in Wales, 12.43% of tests returning positive results, and 10 deaths compared to 752 cases and 3 deaths last week with Winter season still to come. We know that going hard early can buy time but medium to longer term there needs to be a different plan than what we have been doing which is seeing/starting to see a detrimental effect to almost every aspect of life, and with a potential no deal now being spoken about more seriously than before.

    An article on Germany's test/trace system from earlier this year: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...=1602853397226
    I see that Sweden appears to be one of the only country’s in Europe not having a second spike, were they right all along? Is it worth locking down at all?

  12. #4752

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    I see that Sweden appears to be one of the only country’s in Europe not having a second spike, were they right all along? Is it worth locking down at all?
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status...596033/photo/1

    "When will people stop obsessing about Sweden, and instead start focusing on Germany and why it's done so much better than other European countries? Map via @FT"

  13. #4753

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status...596033/photo/1

    "When will people stop obsessing about Sweden, and instead start focusing on Germany and why it's done so much better than other European countries? Map via @FT"
    Sure I read Germany was also having a surge, biggest rise today ever wasn’t it? Still, I get what your saying. No doubt they have a very good track and trace, and testing system. Plus German people aren’t as stupid as the British so can follow basic rules

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Will the yanks share it though? As long as they give me one when the plane lands there next October I’ll be happy.....
    Shouldn't that comment be in the pun thread?

  15. #4755

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Will the yanks share it though? As long as they give me one when the plane lands there next October I’ll be happy.....
    surely they will spread the love around the world

    You going in Oct then ? ? ? did you see the flights i messaged you about, i would go in Oct ( as we love the Halloween stuff ) but oldest will be in uni by then

  16. #4756

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    "How No 10's relationship with its scientists broke down"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-10-broke-down

    Interesting charts with this article as well which I found reassuring - while Wales' growing number of cases is a cause for concern, the fact that the highest placed Welsh region in the UK cases per 100,000 chart is Cardiff all the way down in fifty second does make you wonder whether the "circuit break" lockdown we're almost certain to get in Wales is needed? My own view is that it is, but I accept that are valid arguments on the other side.

  17. #4757

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    surely they will spread the love around the world

    You going in Oct then ? ? ? did you see the flights i messaged you about, i would go in Oct ( as we love the Halloween stuff ) but oldest will be in uni by then
    Yeah going about 12 months today. Giving Disney a swerve as seems like you can’t book much anyway, No fast passes, plus they aren’t doing any if the extra stuff anymore. I’ll stick with Universal for now, as all seems the same there. Few weeks at Clearwater after.

  18. #4758

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    surely they will spread the love around the world

    You going in Oct then ? ? ? did you see the flights i messaged you about, i would go in Oct ( as we love the Halloween stuff ) but oldest will be in uni by then
    Just seen your messages now

  19. #4759

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    "How No 10's relationship with its scientists broke down"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-10-broke-down

    Interesting charts with this article as well which I found reassuring - while Wales' growing number of cases is a cause for concern, the fact that the highest placed Welsh region in the UK cases per 100,000 chart is Cardiff all the way down in fifty second does make you wonder whether the "circuit break" lockdown we're almost certain to get in Wales is needed? My own view is that it is, but I accept that are valid arguments on the other side.
    What is another lockdown going to do? Delay things a little maybe. If you are having a lockdown to beat the virus then you stop everybody from going anywhere. But that's not going to happen.

    But we have so many mixed messages, inconsistencies and contradictions that people are starting to not really give a shit, and are carrying on regardless.

    At some point the country is going to have to decide that we have to learn to live with this and make plans to do so.

    The politicians are making decisions on things they know little about. They are not planning for a future, not making common sense decisions that will benefit the majority of the population, not taking into account the increasing number of non covid issues that are happing. Other illnesses going undetected, the mental health of a nation being eroded by scare-mongering statements that are then totally ignored by the people who are supposed to be leading by example. The affect on business and jobs.

    They get an idea and then run with it even if it goes against guidelines set by organisations better placed to decide.

    There is a catalogue of cock ups this year but still Boris thinks we are leading the world in all we do. And no one is allowed to challenge it.

    In the past you would respect your politicians. You'd believe they were trying to do the right thing and make everyones lives better. Now they are being exposed as selfish, incompetent and acting on their own ideas that appeal to the minority rather than the majority.

  20. #4760

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    DRAKEFORD BLINKS – AND BACKS DOWN ON PROPOSED ENGLISH-BORDER TRAVEL-BAN

    https://penarthnews.wpcomstaging.com...er-travel-ban/

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Just seen your messages now
    i thought it strange you didnt reply

    flights for Oct wont be out yet, but in a few weeks time, get on it with the cheaper 1st seats, i think thats what i did for Aug as under 20 booked on the flights

  22. #4762

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Morris View Post
    What is another lockdown going to do? Delay things a little maybe. If you are having a lockdown to beat the virus then you stop everybody from going anywhere. But that's not going to happen.

    But we have so many mixed messages, inconsistencies and contradictions that people are starting to not really give a shit, and are carrying on regardless.

    At some point the country is going to have to decide that we have to learn to live with this and make plans to do so.

    The politicians are making decisions on things they know little about. They are not planning for a future, not making common sense decisions that will benefit the majority of the population, not taking into account the increasing number of non covid issues that are happing. Other illnesses going undetected, the mental health of a nation being eroded by scare-mongering statements that are then totally ignored by the people who are supposed to be leading by example. The affect on business and jobs.

    They get an idea and then run with it even if it goes against guidelines set by organisations better placed to decide.

    There is a catalogue of cock ups this year but still Boris thinks we are leading the world in all we do. And no one is allowed to challenge it.

    In the past you would respect your politicians. You'd believe they were trying to do the right thing and make everyones lives better. Now they are being exposed as selfish, incompetent and acting on their own ideas that appeal to the minority rather than the majority.
    I'd say that if it is correct that a two or three week lockdown could delay the progress of the virus for four weeks as has been claimed, then it's worth it if it is right that a vaccine is close to being rolled out. Whether this is true or not is hard to be sure about because there have been mixed messages about vaccines in the last month or so, but my attitude has always been lives over business as far as the virus is concerned - throughout history, people have been adaptable and innovative when reacting to changed circumstances in the business world and have a feeling that this will continue in what was being called the new normal a few months back.

    That said, I agree about mixed messages - the UK Governments three tier system was supposed to clarify things with easy to understand definitions which would enable people to understand exactly what was expected of them in the area they lived. However, the new system has barely got up and running and already we start hearing about differences within the tier three category between Liverpool and Lancashire - it's hardly worth bothering with if this is going to become the norm, they may as well have just kept the previous system in place.

  23. #4763

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    Ive got flights to Greece but they are rearranged from this year. I think theres every chance I will be doing the same again. Really dont fancy a 4 hour flight in a pandemic.

  24. #4764

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    "How No 10's relationship with its scientists broke down"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-10-broke-down

    Interesting charts with this article as well which I found reassuring - while Wales' growing number of cases is a cause for concern, the fact that the highest placed Welsh region in the UK cases per 100,000 chart is Cardiff all the way down in fifty second does make you wonder whether the "circuit break" lockdown we're almost certain to get in Wales is needed? My own view is that it is, but I accept that are valid arguments on the other side.
    Despite the lower number of cases in the community, I suspect that hospitals in Wales are closer to breaking point.

  25. #4765

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Morris View Post
    What is another lockdown going to do? Delay things a little maybe. If you are having a lockdown to beat the virus then you stop everybody from going anywhere. But that's not going to happen.

    But we have so many mixed messages, inconsistencies and contradictions that people are starting to not really give a shit, and are carrying on regardless.

    At some point the country is going to have to decide that we have to learn to live with this and make plans to do so.

    The politicians are making decisions on things they know little about. They are not planning for a future, not making common sense decisions that will benefit the majority of the population, not taking into account the increasing number of non covid issues that are happing. Other illnesses going undetected, the mental health of a nation being eroded by scare-mongering statements that are then totally ignored by the people who are supposed to be leading by example. The affect on business and jobs.

    They get an idea and then run with it even if it goes against guidelines set by organisations better placed to decide.

    There is a catalogue of cock ups this year but still Boris thinks we are leading the world in all we do. And no one is allowed to challenge it.

    In the past you would respect your politicians. You'd believe they were trying to do the right thing and make everyones lives better. Now they are being exposed as selfish, incompetent and acting on their own ideas that appeal to the minority rather than the majority.
    It’s quite amazing how much money they can waste, bumbling along. Apart from the vaccine which I’ve hear could possibly roll out around Christmas for those most in need, the twenty minute test that you can do from home is the one they really need to get on with. They’ve got it elsewhere, Boris says no need to buy it as we are developing our own....

  26. #4766

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    i thought it strange you didnt reply

    flights for Oct wont be out yet, but in a few weeks time, get on it with the cheaper 1st seats, i think thats what i did for Aug as under 20 booked on the flights
    Been busy this week and don’t glance up to the top of the screen enough.....

  27. #4767

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I'd say that if it is correct that a two or three week lockdown could delay the progress of the virus for four weeks as has been claimed, then it's worth it if it is right that a vaccine is close to being rolled out. Whether this is true or not is hard to be sure about because there have been mixed messages about vaccines in the last month or so, but my attitude has always been lives over business as far as the virus is concerned - throughout history, people have been adaptable and innovative when reacting to changed circumstances in the business world and have a feeling that this will continue in what was being called the new normal a few months back.

    That said, I agree about mixed messages - the UK Governments three tier system was supposed to clarify things with easy to understand definitions which would enable people to understand exactly what was expected of them in the area they lived. However, the new system has barely got up and running and already we start hearing about differences within the tier three category between Liverpool and Lancashire - it's hardly worth bothering with if this is going to become the norm, they may as well have just kept the previous system in place.
    How long do you think it will take to vaccinate the entire population?

  28. #4768

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    How long do you think it will take to vaccinate the entire population?
    A long time, but, hopefully, those whose need is the greatest can be done quickly - once those who needed to be shielded have been given the protection of a vaccination, the situation changes and businesses that have been worst affected can return to something close to normal.

  29. #4769

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    A long time, but, hopefully, those whose need is the greatest can be done quickly - once those who needed to be shielded have been given the protection of a vaccination, the situation changes and businesses that have been worst affected can return to something close to normal.
    Over 70 first.....how many are left after the Tories tried to kill them all off in April?

  30. #4770

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    A long time, but, hopefully, those whose need is the greatest can be done quickly - once those who needed to be shielded have been given the protection of a vaccination, the situation changes and businesses that have been worst affected can return to something close to normal.
    I very much doubt they will operate close to normal when there is a vaccine for the most vulnerable. Any vaccine is very unlikely to guarantee protection.

    I doubt they will even vaccinate the entire population.

    The likeliest is the most vulnerable and key workers are going to need regular vaccinations. I just cant see say the under 30s with no underlying health conditions being regularly being vaccinated for something that is unlikely to affect them.

    The only way the entire population gets vaccinated if something comes along where one jab near 100 percent protects you for life and thats not going to happen.

    Normal or near normal will probably be when we come to an acceptable point we can control and live with it.

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