Reply With QuoteI looked the Worldometer stats for yesterday and of all new cases reported in Europe for that day 35% were in UK. Whatever your views on Covid rules that's a big number.Originally Posted by Vindec
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I think the middle one is posting under a different name now and I notice that Wales Bales and Feedback both use/used "Inside your head" as their strap line on here.
I looked the Worldometer stats for yesterday and of all new cases reported in Europe for that day 35% were in UK. Whatever your views on Covid rules that's a big number.
Cracks me up when I hear this, it’s a football message board ffs. Most of the time it’s not been about football of late. People don’t agree with other folks opinions, it’s life, plenty of total bellends out there plus some very decent people. I wonder who H has come back as? He was far too opinionated to just leave…..
Delta variant will soon swamp Europe as they open up, as just proved in Holland alone. If they haven’t vaccinated highly then they are in trouble…..
On the subject of vaccinations, I see Germany have overtaken us now in terms of total jabs given.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/12/...eading-the-way
I saw a chart last week which said our rate of vaccination has declined recently which is a surprise to me. While I can understand that it gets progressively harder to get everyone to agree to being vaccinated because you're getting to the stage where you're up against anti vaxers and youngsters who know that Covid is very, very unlikely to kill them, I wouldn't have thought that, with not much over fifty per cent in the UK having had two vaccines, we've reached that stage yet.
I don't agree about Starmer, he's quite often criticised by posters on here who appear to be left of centre to me (quite often, rightly so in my opinion - I was happy to see him become Labour leader because he has an air of competence to him, a quality sadly lacking in Parliament these days I feel, but I accept now that's not enough. As you say, Starmer and his party, are suffering because they lack a "big idea" which will resonate with voters).
People on the left tend to be far more critical of their own than people on the right are in my experience (in public anyway) - something that very often puts parties of the left at a disadvantage in a world where so much is against them already. So, I'm not sure that they are as loyal to the Labour party as people on the right tend to be to the Conservatives.
This Parliament has been dominated by Covid so far and this Government has to be primarily judged by how they've coped with it. So, while I accept and share some of misgivings many had against Corbyn, I must ask would we really be worse off now if he and his party had won in December 2019? The one shining light this Government can point to in the fight against the virus is the vaccine program which has transformed lives to a large extent, but would a Labour Government have done anything different, and detrimental, to what the Tories have done when it comes to vaccination? I doubt it very much, in fact, I would say that there would have been less pressure from the backbench's making the argument for business over people for Corbyn than there has been for Johnson.
Would Labour have declined to bring in a furlough scheme? Surely not, the whole concept of furloughing is a left of centre one.
Once you account for the vaccine programme and furloughing, what is there that this Government has done when it comes to Covid that can be deemed a success? While I disagree with Starmer's attempts to pass off the Delta variant as the Johnson variant because it would have got here eventually anyway, you have to wonder about the inconsistencies between how the UK Government treated India and how they treated Pakistan and Bangladesh in the spring - not for the first time, the suspicion is that Government policy in the pandemic has been influenced by the possibility of personal gain and/or cronyism.
Expect that to rise now mind, clubs and gigs requiring two jabs to get in…..
Maybe. I didn't want to jump to the conclusion that the 60% who have not been vaccinated were young people or anti-vaxers, hence I would like to see an analysis of why those patients are un-vaccinated. There may be genuine medical reasons.
I’m in England for a few days and on Sunday (before freedom day) we went to Clacton Pier. The indoor entrance, which is a massive amusement hall, saw hardly anyone wearing a mask. Total ignorance of them.
On Monday we got to our hotel in Norfolk and they had changed their wording to say masks no longer required indoors. The local shop I just went to had a sign saying masks at own discretion.
Clacton was a car crash, but up here they are appear more relaxed and common sensical
I'm kind of hoping that because a lot of people were only paying lip service to the rules before the opening up yesterday that maybe the surge may not be as big as is feared by some.
In response to TOBW, I saw the numbers were slightly lower too. It made me wonder if these numbers re telling us we have passed the pre opening crest of this wave, which might inform those that can work it out when we can expect to reach the crest now we re opened up?
As I pointed out before, there are often data reporting lags/snags so single day data can be misleading. 7-day moving averages and weekly totals are more reliable. For the whole UK, as of today, there was a 40% increase in cases on a base of the previous 7 days. Just so you don't go down the Trump hole again, approximately the same number of tests were conducted over the two seven day periods. I think you can infer case numbers are rising. So are hospitalizations and deaths. Albeit the relationships that emerged in 2020 among cases, hospitalizations and deaths are now no longer valid.
Personally, I think now is a time for caution. Mask-wearing, avoiding congregate settings and social distancing works; both personally and socially. These aren't that hard to do, surely?
It would be absolutely wonderful if we're in a strong position now* because that means we can double our efforts to help the wider world.
We (at this time referring to the UK) need to protect wider world from the Delta Variant as we need France to protect the UK from the Beta Variant. We also need to help wider world get access to vaccines.
Understanding of the risks, what actions can be used to reduce this and empathy for others in the UK and outside it.
*though everyone with any sense is still recommending caution here and slow release of pandemic habits.
Why don't you stop withe Trump hole crappie. He is and was nothing to me. Why would he be. Similarly you suggested I was a conspiracy theorist. Nothing could be further from the truth. I appreciate what you say about 7 day numbers and I get it. But the initial theory was that numbers would double every 7 days and from your own figures they clearly aren't..... yet. So if the pre-unlock numbers are plateauing I merely suggest that the modellers may be able to project the time of the expected post unlock peak. I gree wearing masks in crowe places is a no brained but if we cannot sort to open up now when will we? The number of vaccines being given is going down and the people choosing not to get them now will still be doing so later when weather will be worse for us and better for it.
Some people would happily ban nightclubs from ever opening again or pubs and some people are becoming institutionalised and feel they need to do told what too. Its not healthy.
From one of your previous posts: "Some of the things this government want to do generally could turn this country into a business wasteland, and their desire to control every facet of peoples lives, made more real than they ever could have dreamed by this pandemic, is making sure it will happen faster."
That's a conspiracy theory.
'"By the way, when you do more testing, you have more cases. We have more cases than anybody because we do more testing than anybody. It's pretty simple," Trump said Friday in the White House Rose Garden.'
Reference: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...perts-n1228671
It's not a conspiracy theory except in your internet wired head. It's a opinion. Look it up
you must be totally obsessed with him to be able to first remember him saying that and then to be able to put your finger on the exact quote so easily. I'm not. I have no interest in him, his quote his anything else. It will no doubt amaze you to discover that other people hve said the same kind of thing. But you just pop the all in your 'trump hole'
I was actually referring to something I'd rad which had been stated by a British scientist. It pretty basic actually, if you test more people you'll find more positive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52380643
This makes interesting reading.
Their numbers suggest that the rate of spread of the infection indicates it is now doubling every 16 days whereas at the end of June it was doubling every 7 days. Seems like it might be leveling out.
But further down the ONS survey for the 7 day period (Which of course is much better a guide) shows that the rate of infection is actally falling. Make what you will from that.
But of course the ONS might just be down a trump hole or something. Who knows?
Please stop. You don't even realize (apparently) that you are just repeating a form of the NEW World Order conspiracy theory.
"Leveling out" as you refer to plateauing would be indicated by no (zero) increase in the numbers testing positive from one test period to the next. Clearly numbers are still rising so there is no "leveling out".
The current R(t) in Wales is estimated to be above one.
You are so closed in your views on this that it makes me think of proverbial Bukowski quote.
Hard hitting stuff from a palliative care doctor.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...as-he-clapping
you talk some highbrow shite don't you? New world order theory my arse. You're obsessed with conspiracies.
Doubling every 16 days doesn't sound like levelling out to me.
better than every 9 days like they said before
so the curve is not as steep, some might say its the start of the curve starting to flatten
That shows that for every person getting infected in Wales more than two are contracting Covid in England. As you say, interesting reading.
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