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Thread: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

  1. #8541

    Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Basically, the same as England. Considering Wales has consistently had tighter rules and more restrictions than England, it seems they weren't needed - other than of course, to show how 'different' we are from England.
    I thought the new Welsh restrictions kicked in a week ago or have I got that wrong?

  2. #8542

    Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Well the cases by area (last 7 days) are here

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases


    Wales 75k out of 1.15 million. Looks like your source or maths are askew
    Thanks Cyril. The source was good, my maths were bad....

    However based on those latest 7 day figures the rate per capita in Wales is well above the other home nations. England 84.3% of the UK population 80.3% of the cases. Scotland 8.2% of the population 8.8% of the cases, NI 2.8% and 3.8% of the cases, Wales 4.7% of UK population and 6.9% of the cases.

    I'm sure you'll check the maths! Drakeford's rules are not producing results

  3. #8543

    Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Thanks Cyril. The source was good, my maths were bad....

    However based on those latest 7 day figures the rate per capita in Wales is well above the other home nations. England 84.3% of the UK population 80.3% of the cases. Scotland 8.2% of the population 8.8% of the cases, NI 2.8% and 3.8% of the cases, Wales 4.7% of UK population and 6.9% of the cases.

    I'm sure you'll check the maths! Drakeford's rules are not producing results
    Like I said to AQM. The latest restrictions came in just over a week ago and isn't there an average 5 day gap between catching the virus and symptoms showing. If that's the case then there is a greater argument for the restrictions given the comparative case levels. I would have thought it is rather premature to cast judgement but not being resident in Wales I am not as close to the situation as some.

  4. #8544

    Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Basically, the same as England. Considering Wales has consistently had tighter rules and more restrictions than England, it seems they weren't needed - other than of course, to show how 'different' we are from England.
    If the rules were followed then maybe there would be a difference but you cannot police the whole population.

    I think it probably points to a couple of things - People's attitudes towards the restrictions and the transmissibility of this variant.

    It's better to be safe than sorry and taking a cautious approach at the very least shows essential workers that the government is aware of their struggles and is trying to make things easier for them.

    Boris Johnson's words and policy is a kick in the face for people in the NHS who are overworked.

  5. #8545

    Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Thanks Cyril. The source was good, my maths were bad....

    However based on those latest 7 day figures the rate per capita in Wales is well above the other home nations. England 84.3% of the UK population 80.3% of the cases. Scotland 8.2% of the population 8.8% of the cases, NI 2.8% and 3.8% of the cases, Wales 4.7% of UK population and 6.9% of the cases.

    I'm sure you'll check the maths! Drakeford's rules are not producing results
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...igures-omicron

    Just shows how wary we need to be in interpreting bald statistics. This article states that Wales is the only part of the UK that counts cases of reinfection in its daily totals.

  6. #8546

    Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...igures-omicron

    Just shows how wary we need to be in interpreting bald statistics. This article states that Wales is the only part of the UK that counts cases of reinfection in its daily totals.

    This probably explains why hospitalisations in Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 are so low in comparison to ďcasesĒ recorded.

    The problem is with counting cases , it will always be artificially high thus making a return to some semblance of normality a long way off. Perhaps itís by design.

  7. #8547

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Drakeford will always find a way to justify what he's doing. Even if it makes little sense he'll spin it to suit.

    His wording will will always have an undercurrent of fearmongering just to keep us a tad fearful of our own shadows.

  8. #8548

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Morris View Post
    Drakeford will always find a way to justify what he's doing. Even if it makes little sense he'll spin it to suit.

    His wording will will always have an undercurrent of fearmongering just to keep us a tad fearful of our own shadows.
    Absolutely, apparently, he is still hasn’t provided data which justifies the current uptick in restrictions.

  9. #8549

    Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...igures-omicron

    Just shows how wary we need to be in interpreting bald statistics. This article states that Wales is the only part of the UK that counts cases of reinfection in its daily totals.
    Provided the positive tests are more than 42 days apart, otherwise they are not recorded

  10. #8550

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Really interesting information in this latest broadcast.
    Recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH1u...r.JohnCampbell

  11. #8551

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Morris View Post
    Drakeford will always find a way to justify what he's doing. Even if it makes little sense he'll spin it to suit.

    His wording will will always have an undercurrent of fearmongering just to keep us a tad fearful of our own shadows.
    A while back he was banging on about how case rates were not really relevant anymore, only hospitalisations mattered…..

  12. #8552

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    The fact I know loads of people with it currently and all of them are far healthier than if they had the flu means this omicron is the best thing to happen in the last 2 years of this virus.

    Time to get back to normal
    Yes, the staff shortages as more and more people end up in isolation are great news. I'm seeing supermarkets struggling to get some items on shelves. Transport providers are struggling to maintain services.

    People are still dying of this new variant. I lost a friend in his fifties, fit as a fiddle, who had Covid. He had a heart attack, rare but Covid is known for occasionally causing heart problems, and didn't make the ambulance ride to hospital.

  13. #8553

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Yes, the staff shortages as more and more people end up in isolation are great news. I'm seeing supermarkets struggling to get some items on shelves. Transport providers are struggling to maintain services.

    People are still dying of this new variant. I lost a friend in his fifties, fit as a fiddle, who had Covid. He had a heart attack, rare but Covid is known for occasionally causing heart problems, and didn't make the ambulance ride to hospital.

    Whilst every death with Covid is an absolute tragedy, 🚨 #Covid19 was involved in 6.5% of deaths across Eng/Wales for the most recent week

    ◾️ 93.5 % of deaths were non Covid19

    ◾️ Number of deaths (all causes) in private homes was 34% above the 5-year average. Since pandemic an excess of 82.8k deaths

    Source: ONS

    To concentrate so much on one illness after a hugely positive vaccine take up , is not right. We need to move on and risk manage the people who are vulnerable donít we ?

  14. #8554

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Yes, the staff shortages as more and more people end up in isolation are great news. I'm seeing supermarkets struggling to get some items on shelves. Transport providers are struggling to maintain services.

    People are still dying of this new variant. I lost a friend in his fifties, fit as a fiddle, who had Covid. He had a heart attack, rare but Covid is known for occasionally causing heart problems, and didn't make the ambulance ride to hospital.
    .

    RIP to your mate, amongst all the ‘let’s get back to normal’, ‘Drakeford’s talking crap’, ‘Its only a cold’ merchants spouting off, something like this brings it home that it’s still something to be very wary of and, perhaps, in the long run those who’ve lost loved ones will be thankful for the restrictions with the attitude there but for the grace of God go I.

  15. #8555

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Whilst every death with Covid is an absolute tragedy, 🚨 #Covid19 was involved in 6.5% of deaths across Eng/Wales for the most recent week

    ◾️ 93.5 % of deaths were non Covid19

    ◾️ Number of deaths (all causes) in private homes was 34% above the 5-year average. Since pandemic an excess of 82.8k deaths

    Source: ONS

    To concentrate so much on one illness after a hugely positive vaccine take up , is not right. We need to move on and risk manage the people who are vulnerable donít we ?
    No, we need to make sure the number of cases doesn't skyrocket. Imagine what would happen if double the number of people were being infected? More and more people would be isolating and not working, essential services would be hit even harder. There's still a need for some caution.

  16. #8556

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
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    RIP to your mate, amongst all the ‘let’s get back to normal’, ‘Drakeford’s talking crap’, ‘Its only a cold’ merchants spouting off, something like this brings it home that it’s still something to be very wary of and, perhaps, in the long run those who’ve lost loved ones will be thankful for the restrictions with the attitude there but for the grace of God go I.
    It might just be me, but I find the vast majority of people who want an end to all these restrictions are those who haven't been personally affected by Covid.

  17. #8557

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    It might just be me, but I find the vast majority of people who want an end to all these restrictions are those who haven't been personally affected by Covid.

    You may have a point to a certain extent , however ,from my perspective I know of people who have had critical, potentially life saving operations cancelled, I have lost friends through suicide and closer to home I see the NHS have extended cervical cancer screening times , it’s worrying.

    I have not been able to visit my mum for nearly a year due to restrictions and she is poorly and in a home and she is lonely and lost. The care home staff are leaving in droves and the staff who are left are young and inexperienced…. Her home was on BBC news due to numerous safeguard concerns which she was part of.

    My son has had his education decimated, his swimming lessons have been cancelled for over a year ( a life skill) and the current set up is not very good.

  18. #8558

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    .

    RIP to your mate, amongst all the ‘let’s get back to normal’, ‘Drakeford’s talking crap’, ‘Its only a cold’ merchants spouting off, something like this brings it home that it’s still something to be very wary of and, perhaps, in the long run those who’ve lost loved ones will be thankful for the restrictions with the attitude there but for the grace of God go I.
    Quite right. We are still in very troubling times, and we all should be cautious, even when there are siren voices calling for restrictions to end.

  19. #8559

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    You may have a point to a certain extent , however ,from my perspective I know of people who have had critical, potentially life saving operations cancelled, I have lost friends through suicide and closer to home I see the NHS have extended cervical cancer screening times , it’s worrying.

    I have not been able to visit my mum for nearly a year due to restrictions and she is poorly and in a home and she is lonely and lost. The care home staff are leaving in droves and the staff who are left are young and inexperienced…. Her home was on BBC news due to numerous safeguard concerns which she was part of.

    My son has had his education decimated, his swimming lessons have been cancelled for over a year ( a life skill) and the current set up is not very good.
    Which is all the more reason to be cautious. If you decide to remove all restrictions, let the virus spread like wildfire, even more carehome staff will be absent, even more teachers will be absent, more things like swimming lessons will be cancelled, NHS waiting times will be extended further as there are less staff.

    The other choice is to stop isolating if you have Covid, but that's not good news for the vulnerable.

  20. #8560

    Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Which is all the more reason to be cautious. If you decide to remove all restrictions, let the virus spread like wildfire, even more carehome staff will be absent, even more teachers will be absent, more things like swimming lessons will be cancelled, NHS waiting times will be extended further as there are less staff.

    The other choice is to stop isolating if you have Covid, but that's not good news for the vulnerable.
    The question is surely whether the current restrictions (or indeed any restrictions in the long run) are achieving anything

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